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Sparknotes on Moment Skis 2011/2012

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PappaG
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Jib
carbon stringers for pop
tip and tail remain buttery soft
Length | 156, 166, 171, 176, 181
Dims | 111-86-111

Team
"hyper-stiff, ultra-fast version of the Jib for competition"
Length | 171, 176, 181
Dims | 111-86-111

Vice
mustache rocker for park and pipe
Length | 168, 178, 184
Dims | 110-83-105

Eldorado
Length | 166, 176, 182
Dims | 112-85-101

Tahoe
slight tip rockers
Length | 170, 180, 188
Dims | 121-96-112

Night Train
Length | 168, 178, 186
Dims | 140-123-135

Ghost Chant
twin rocker, flat underfoot, bamboo core, dead center mount, symmetrical design
Length| 176, 186
Dims | 139-124-139

PB&J
symmetrical flex and center mount for park
mustache rocker/camber for outside park
Length | 162, 172, 182, 188
Dims | 129-101-121

Belafonte
Length | 174, 182, 192
Dims | 135-106-124

Bibby Pro
stiffer than last year
Length | 174, 184, 190, 196
Dims | 143-116-134 @ 174, 184
Dims | 143-118-134 @ 190
Dims | 150-116-123 @ 196

Jaguar Shark
wider Belafonte
tip rocker
Length | 174, 182, 192
Dims | 143-116-129

Comi
Length | 182, 192 (swallowtail)
Dims | 160-135-145

Donner Party
Length | 186, 196
Dims | 135-140-137-130




For the ladies,

Hot Mess
twin rocker
Length | 146, 156, 166
Dims | 112-85-101

Sierra
female version of Tahoe
tip rocker
Length | 150, 160, 170
Dims | 117-92-108 @ 150, 160
Dims | 121-96-112 @ 170

Bela
female version of the Belafonte
Length | 152, 162, 172
Dims | 134-106-126

Reagan
female version of Night Train
Length | 158, 168
Dims | 133-116-128



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Jan 27 2011 11:29AM
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mansfield
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Sweet thanks!
So It'll feel like mid-180s, which is what I usually ski.
Mar 18 2011 2:51AM
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Kangbang
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Yeah probably. Pm PappaG for more info. He knows them better.
Mar 18 2011 2:53AM
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rudager
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What are we looking at in comparison for stiffness between the 192 Jaguar Shark, and the 190/196 Bibby?
Which is the stiffer, more big mountain charging ski?
Mar 18 2011 9:16AM
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griz_lee
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the 196 bibby for sure. big mountain charging is exacly what it was made for. the jaguar shark will charge but it is designed as a bit more of an all mountain ski.
Mar 18 2011 10:30AM
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PappaG
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At your height/weight, get the 190 without question.

If you can handle a mid-180 flat tail ski, the 190 Bibby will feel right at home. The actual length of the ski (not material length) is 188cm, and the running length is around 125cm which is on par with other similarly-shaped skis. The stiffer flex might make them feel like they ski longer as well.
Mar 18 2011 9:21PM
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PappaG
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Here's my take with stiffest at the top, softest at the bottom:

Garbones
196 Bibby
190 Bibby
Belafonte
Jag Shark
Tahoe
PB&J


And to answer, the 190/196 Bibby is by far the stiffer, more big mountain charging ski. 190 Bibby is fully rockered whereas the 196 has a more flattish tail and lots of taper. Still a surprisingly quick ski in tight spots, but this was made for straightlining 2k shots.
Mar 18 2011 9:24PM
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rudager
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The 190 runs at 188 you say? with full rocker? As in no camber underneath?
Any early rise on the 196? Running length? Camber?
It's starting to look like the 196 would be an amazing charging ski, which is what I'm looking for.
I mean, I'm thinking of getting another pair of One Lifes next year, I just found that they could use more length.
That's where the 196 Bibby comes in.
Mar 18 2011 9:45PM
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PappaG
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Tip to tail measurement is 188cm on the 190. There's camber underneath as that's been the case since 09/10, but that doesn't change how long a ski is.

Yes, there's rocker on the 196, but I don't have a photo and couldn't tell you have much. Watch the Day 2 video from the Red Bull Rush at Silverton and you'll see the Bibby 196 in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1mh-01b3TM
Mar 18 2011 10:24PM
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rudager
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Excellente!
Now to switch gears for to a park ski.

Looking for a park ski to replace my old AR6's that I just destroyed last night at COP.
Not that into jumps, more jibbin features and would like to get better at rails.
Looking for something 180+ (6'2", 170lbs). I prefer stiffer skis, looking at either the team at 181, or the 184 Vice.
Really interested in the Vice.
Anyone now the stiffness of it? Or any other valuable information?
Mar 18 2011 11:49PM
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amo
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the 182 or the 188 PB&J would be good. i'd go 188 since they're rockered they'll ski shorter
Mar 18 2011 11:56PM
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rdr
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How do the Jibs compare to the 2010/11 version? Are they more buttery in the tips/tails? or the same?
Mar 19 2011 1:30AM
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griz_lee
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the pb and j is pretty fat and more of a jump ski so i would say get the vice in a 186 if your more into rails.
Mar 19 2011 9:09PM
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Chompo.
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I want ghost chants so bad even though i live in michigan....
Mar 19 2011 10:10PM
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terrible_skier
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Does someone have pictures of just the pb&j top sheet and bases? Im 5'0 and 100 to 110 pounds and ski 80 precedent park 20% all mountain / powder so do you think the pb&j would be too much of a skii in size 162 or would the Reno jib 156 be better?
Mar 20 2011 9:49PM
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amo
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do it. pbj 162
Mar 21 2011 12:10AM
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terrible_skier
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im worried it would be too fat, im skiing a size 150 90 waist ski right now, but when i ski my 155 rockerd 108 waist ski i love it. you really think it would fit what i ski? it sounds mega fun.
Mar 21 2011 12:25PM
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amo
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dude i ski my 110 waisted lizzies everywhere and i love em. 101 will be fine trust me
Mar 21 2011 12:43PM
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terrible_skier
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how tall are you though?

Mar 21 2011 5:57PM
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amo
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5'7"

if you're that worried about it dont get them. but if you're confident in your skiing ability i'm sure that you will have no trouble with them
Mar 21 2011 7:22PM
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Uncle_Remus
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i am 5'8" 140 riding on 178 vices and they are really fun jib sticks super stable on rails super light and they handle jumps great and still let you butter like whoa. but i would suggest the longest size. also my only gripe is the tails are to small that in the slush they got jostled around. so i say go for it!
Mar 21 2011 7:30PM
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terrible_skier
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sick +K

Mar 21 2011 9:12PM
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Jibbin_Ur_Face
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Gunna go with some Ghost Chants for sure.
Mar 21 2011 10:03PM
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Jibbin_Ur_Face
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5'9" 160-170 will the 186's be good?
Mar 21 2011 10:17PM
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Newschool_Pope
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqMnH6T_Oxc&feature=player_embedded#at=154

crazy rockered ski= ghost chants?
Apr 6 2011 7:22AM
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I.B
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boom
Apr 6 2011 11:36AM
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PappaG
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Yep. You see it at 1:10 to 2:00.
Apr 6 2011 11:49AM
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griz_lee
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they are honestly one of the easiest and funnest skis ever. and out of anything in the moment line this is by far my favorite ski they have ever made. so go for it dude you wont regret it.
Apr 6 2011 12:18PM
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Blokkie
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Annyone have pictures of the bases?
Apr 16 2011 5:12AM
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RRhighrider
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I cannot wait for the 188 PB&J i love my rockers but want a longer skis.
May 16 2011 11:58PM
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Bender.
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Sorry to hop on the bandwagon here.

But if I play my cards right before the season starts I was hoping to get two new pairs of skis.
One for playing all over the mountain that I might take up on the days that resorts says they're having powder, but really only have like 2"s. And another for the deep pow days and backcountry.

I was thinking for the BC and pow the Ghost Chants. But I'm in between the Night Trains or a pair of Bibby's I might buy used.

I rarely hit the park so if either is not super grippy on groomers it's not really a big deal. To give you an idea of where I ski (if it helps to do to determine) I ski Targhee, Jackson Hole, and occasionally Snowbird as far as resorts go.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jul 27 2011 4:03AM
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annex_
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I'm getting the reagans or night trains, being 5'1 would a 168 be the right size for me?
Jul 27 2011 2:25PM
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DUKES
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stick with the reagans the nts are lil too stiff my sis rides 186 nt and shes 5'10" and finds them stiff yet fun but for your size reagans most def
Jul 27 2011 2:45PM
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annex_
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thanks. i want to stick with the reagans but the only place i know carries them has them in a 158 which is probably too short.
Jul 27 2011 2:55PM
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amo
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those sound perfect for you as long as you know what you're doing on skis. that being said i'd go for the reagans because at your size you'll definately appreciate the softer flex
Jul 27 2011 3:22PM
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annex_
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why cause i'm a girl?

Jul 27 2011 4:09PM
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annex_
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Sorry. Didn't mean to sound like a complete bitch. I don't ski like a girl.
Jul 27 2011 4:22PM
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Mr_pretzel
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You most likely dont weigh very much. Thats why.
Jul 27 2011 4:38PM
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amo
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dis
Jul 27 2011 5:05PM
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Piste.Off
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super stoked on 188 pb&js

any word on when they're going for sale?
Jul 27 2011 5:34PM
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PappaG
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Just to chime in, the flex on the Reagan is the exact same as the Night Train. In fact, the cores of all Moment's female skis are the same as the male version.
Aug 15 2011 9:23AM
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PappaG
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And here's a season edit skiing almost exclusively on the Jaguar Shark. I don't do park, so you won't see any footage of that. Lots of pow, trees, and steep skiing.


Aug 15 2011 9:26AM
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Bender.
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Anyone have any footy or at least an experience with the Ghost Chants?
Aug 16 2011 12:14AM
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*Bird
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ya or any info of when/where i can buy them online?
Aug 16 2011 1:12AM
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Kangbang
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Not yet. They will be on Evo again I assume and on Moment's website.
Aug 16 2011 1:14AM
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*Bird
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ya I'm going into the shop to see if they can order some for me. thats what i did for my one lives last year
Aug 16 2011 1:23AM
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Bender.
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You have ordered a pair or Moment 2012's haven't you? Or did you just get really cheap 2011's from Seshday?
Aug 16 2011 1:33AM
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Kangbang
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Neither. I'm going to buy a pair of Night Trains in November.
Aug 16 2011 1:34AM
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PappaG
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To see Ghost Chants in action, watch this year's Toy Soldier Production's "Set Your Sights" with Moment skiers Shay Lee and Sandy Boville.

Aug 16 2011 8:57AM
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phishfood
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fuuckk i missed it...how much were they going for...
Aug 21 2011 11:57PM
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lukemeahan.
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Who else think Moment has the sickest graphics for skis? I am getting the Pb&J this winter!
Aug 22 2011 1:21AM
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