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Warmest boots?

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Stewie4
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Might have to get a new pair of boots as I got the toe box punched out too far and now my feet won't last more than half an hour on these Canadian slopes. I'm also an instructor so this is no good, i've been forced to turn to rentals the past 2 days ;(

So warmth is a huge asset to me, what's the warmest pair of boots you guys have had and/or heard of?
Jan 16 2011 7:51PM
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Kangbang
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Full tilts.
Jan 16 2011 7:56PM
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UrbanElephant
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this.
Jan 16 2011 7:58PM
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chardi
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^boom. they are magic. or at least get an intuition liner for whatever you have. works wonders.
Jan 16 2011 8:10PM
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Kangbang
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Yeah, I wear a nylon sock with my full tilts and its super fucking thin, and my feet stay warm every time I go up.
Jan 16 2011 8:15PM
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Stewie4
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I have full tilt intuition liners in my Il Moros (Dalbello is supposedly the warmest boot) but like I said, the toe box is punched out so they're freezing!
Jan 16 2011 8:18PM
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chardi
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can you get them remolded? or get the toe box un-punched-out... or whatever? you can remold those liners so they should always be a perfect fit. just take them back to the shop and they should do it for free
Jan 16 2011 8:27PM
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Stewie4
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The liners are molded to my feet, it's a seemless fit, they just get retardedly cold in less than an hour
Jan 16 2011 8:33PM
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chardi
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what socks do you wear? and if its the toe box thats fucked up, why don't you just have them re-do the toe box?
Jan 16 2011 8:39PM
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Stewie4
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The toe box isn't fucked up it's just really thin, there's no way of avoiding that if you're gonna get it punched out... and i've tried them bare foot, ankle socks, and today wool socks cause it was -25 so even with wool socks I froze in less than an hour, then again it WAS -25 which is hella cold...
Jan 16 2011 8:43PM
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flatland
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More than likely you are tightening the instep buckle of your boots too much. The instep and toe buckles should be able to be closed with your pinky finger. Any tighter and you cut off circulation as all your blood flows over the top of your foot. No circulation equals cold toes. This problem stems from buying boots that are too big, a mistake most people have made, myself included. If the boot is too wide for you, you want to close those instep buckles tight to make a tighter fit, but this leads to your problem. If this isnt the case, look into hotronics. They have a very thin heating element that gets installed in your footbed and the wire runs out the back of the boot. Unfortunately they are very expensive, so another option to look into is bootgloves. Most of the instructors here in banff use them and love them. They are a thin neoprene cover that goes over the lower part of your boot. They offer a little insulation but also provide a windproof and slightly waterproof layer. Yes they are ugly, but they really do work.
Jan 16 2011 8:45PM
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Stewie4
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These boots are size 26.5 and I wear a size 10.5 US shoe, so no, they're DEFINITLY not too big, in fact they're much too small and maybe this is the issue, no blood flow because the boot is naturally way too tight even if I don't do up a single buckle at all. And yeah i'll have to look into those boot covers!
Jan 16 2011 8:53PM
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bethechange94
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My full tilts are toasty warm on all days!!!!!! wear the right socks!!!
Jan 16 2011 8:57PM
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JayDope
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ok, so #1, it only takes about 2lbs of pressure to cut off the blood circulationt o ur foot, so dont be bucking ur boots super fucking tight, also, dont wear cotton socks, or super thick socks, u want a thin light weight ski sock, check out the thorlo ultra thin cushion sock. A main reason why ur feet get cold is becuase ur foot sweats, cotton doesnt let ur foot breathe therefore soaking in sweat ur foot will freeze. Also with a super thick sock ur foot will sweat alot, casuing it to get wet, and be cold. Thinner ski sock will let ur foot breathe, and stay dry and most importantly at a warm temp.
Jan 16 2011 8:57PM
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peyton
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DALBELLOS.
(krypton series with ID liner..I have Il Moros)

with thin ski socks.

heaven.
Jan 16 2011 9:00PM
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treymillionaire
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exactly this. Dalbello intuition liners warmer than the rest
Jan 16 2011 9:02PM
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flatland
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It might be that the instep of the boot is just too small for you then. I can't say anything towards the actual size because every boot fits differently. However, its always better to go smaller and stiffer because you can make a boot bigger and softer. I mean, I'm in a 315 bsl (27.5 tecnica) and I wear a size 12 nike. The instep is a hard part of the boot to do work on, but a good bootfitter might be able to do something for you. Either way, I hope whatever you do works for ya.
Jan 16 2011 9:04PM
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danimal5
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your feet are cold?
you live in Ontario........
Jan 16 2011 9:59PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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are the intuition liners for full tilts and dalbello the same thing? i'm thinking not. dalbello has so many different liners. I really want il moros or rampages though.
Jan 16 2011 10:14PM
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HiTz
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yes, the intuition liners are intuition liners, they dont make different materials for different companies... they are the same thing.
Jan 16 2011 10:22PM
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Kangbang
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A ski tech at my shop told me to wear nylon socks (pantie hoes, I know it sounds gay) but it fucking works. Super thin which always your blood to flow better rather than a thick sock. Last weekend I used smartwool socks and my feet were cold. This weekend I used nylons and my feet were baking. Just give it a try.
Jan 16 2011 10:28PM
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bethechange94
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Nylon socks are the greatest!!!!!!!!! Warmest thing you will ever wear skiing
Jan 16 2011 10:57PM
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84891jnf92048
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anything with an intuition liner.
Jan 16 2011 11:00PM
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leahey
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Liners really make the difference. Apparently Full Tilts are warm, but I'm sure an aftermarket liner would do the trick.
Jan 17 2011 1:01AM
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Piste.Off
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Liners that are more dense will be warmer than a less dense liner. Most intuitions are 7mm which is pretty dense for a liner, so yea, they're warm.
Jan 17 2011 1:15AM
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Blake.P
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it could be that the liner was not correctly formed, and it is cutting off your circulation. a lot of the problems with warmth is poor blood flow in boots
Jan 17 2011 2:48AM
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_GaPeRstEEzE
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My FT's are steaming when I take them off
Jan 17 2011 10:59AM
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onenerdykid
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The warmest boots are the ones that fit you correctly and have Intuitions liners in them. It sounds like too many modifications were done (or they are too small) on your current boots.

Correct fit + Intuitions + thin, non-cotton socks + proper buckle tension = warmest setup.
Jan 17 2011 11:08AM
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Gstrong
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a nice pair of ski socks in you're boots
Jan 17 2011 11:10AM
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matt22matt
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the boots that have heaters in them.
Jan 17 2011 11:10AM
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Stewie4
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haha yeah I know right?!? but Norhtern-ish Ontario and it was -25 last weekend plus the cold over here is a humid cold which makes it 10x worse. Anyways i'm going wednesday, thursday, saturday and sunday this week so it seems like the easiest and most common suggestion here is to throw on some panty hoes and go at 'er so I guess i'll just go raid my Mom's top drawer and try out some nylon...lol
Jan 17 2011 11:17AM
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Caleb.E
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get some intuition liners ( ones that full tilt comes with) and then get boot warmers....
Jan 17 2011 11:19AM
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Pudge
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hey i dont mean to thread jack or anything but i just want some ski socks. could someone point me out some good really thin ones they use?
Jan 17 2011 11:46AM
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onenerdykid
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Smartwool PhD Ultra Light, Darn Tough Ski Ultra Light
Jan 17 2011 12:06PM
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fatherb
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Dalbello boots are nice and warm
Jan 17 2011 12:08PM
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Pudge
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thanks man
Jan 17 2011 12:16PM
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541
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NOT TRUEE!!! i had a pair earlier this season and my liners would have ice on them.....THEY ARE COLD AS FUCK!!!!
Jan 17 2011 12:57PM
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Bonzalo
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http://www.icebreaker.com
Jan 17 2011 4:51PM
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treymillionaire
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Yes, they are different liners.

The intuition liners in the dalbellos have to be molded to your feet using the intuition heater, the FT intuition liners do not have to be molded.

sick boots
Jan 17 2011 5:10PM
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Stewie4
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uhhmmmm..........NO!? HAHA! are you joking! Of course full tilt liners have to be molded to your foot, both dalbello and full tilt intuition liners do, that's the whole point of intuition liners...duh.
Jan 17 2011 5:22PM
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I_Am_Mod
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seen some racers use these and they said they actually worked great...

so only problem is that they look kinda queer ....

also some more handy stuff:
Jan 17 2011 5:34PM
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andrew95
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i just skied in -28 and my feet were very warm.... get full tilts or at least the intuition liners
Jan 17 2011 5:42PM
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Stewie4
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you must not have read cause I already said, I have Dalbello Il Moros, one of the warmest boots out there, with the Full Tilt Pro Intuition liner ($190 off evo.com) also one of the warmest liners out there, so I should NOT be freezing, hence me also saying it must be the socks i'm using
Jan 17 2011 5:46PM
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onenerdykid
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and your fit. if things are too tight, you aren't going to get proper blood flow to your toes. having warm feet is like a cake recipe- if you only have 2 of the 5 necessary ingredients, it isn't going to work in your favor.
Jan 17 2011 5:57PM
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Stewie4
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^^^ i'm sorry, but that was not the greatest analogy...hahah..but I know what you mean but I would like for the thin socks to work as I really do not want to have to get new boots...
Jan 17 2011 6:09PM
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onenerdykid
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the recipe analogy is corny but it is pretty spot on, haha. you can't expect to have the a good end result without the necessary parts.
Jan 17 2011 6:12PM
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no_steeze
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definitely not langes

my krypton pros with intuitions were super warm
Jan 17 2011 6:36PM
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Kangbang
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Well then either you got too big or too small of a size, you aren't doing the top 2 buckles up tight enough, or you are buckling the bottom one way to tight.
Jan 17 2011 7:11PM
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Caucasian_Asian
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A punched-out toe box won't make that much difference in how cold your feet.  The plastic of the boot isn't going to act as a very good insulator.  And you'd have to punch it out an awfully long way to have any effect on how cold your feet are.

Do your feet normally get cold?  Even when it isn't -25? 

I'm thinking that your instep is too low and it's cutting off the circulation to your toes, and that's what is making your feet cold.  Full Tilts do not have a very high instep. 

Try not drinking anything with caffeine in the morning before you go skiing.  Caffeine will constrict your blood vessels, and will cause you to get cold faster.
 

Do you smoke?  Nicotine will constrict blood vessels as well.

Like it was stated before, wear the thinnest socks you can find.  Try compression socks.  You can get them at the drug store.  They're to help old people with poor circulation in their feet.

On cold days, try some of those sticky hand warmers.  But don't stick them in your boots.  Attach them to the backs of your knees.  The blood that flows to your feet flows behind your knees.  If you can help it out by warming it and making it flow better, you can stay warmer.

Put a little cayenne in your liners.
Jan 17 2011 7:32PM
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Balto
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random question, are you the same caucasian_asian from tgr? lol
Jan 17 2011 7:35PM
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andrew95
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works great
Jan 17 2011 7:44PM
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