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I think they look like a 90 waits because the tip and tail didn't get cut down in size by much when compared to the waist. I believe the turn radius is 18m @ 183cm or something like that. early rise is 20x10mm. by the sounds of things it's as you said, lizzies with ealry rise. just brought a pair in 178cm, picking them up on monday :) can't wait!