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RIP US Constitution, 1789-2004

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freezed
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In a report printed by the Wall Street Journal, (not some crazy e-zine) 'Bush administration lawyers contended last year that the president wasn't bound by laws prohibitying torture and that government agents who might torture prisoners at his direction couldn't be prosecuted by the Justice Department.'


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Jun 15 2004 12:21AM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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i heard about that shit, disgusting.
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Jun 15 2004 12:25AM
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alpinecowboy84
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can you tell me where i can find this (the date or issue no. or something), i'd like to read the article.


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Jun 15 2004 2:05AM
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GeneralButtNaked
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thats so wrong.





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Jun 15 2004 8:01AM
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ScratchCobra66
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I think people care too much.




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Jun 15 2004 8:05AM
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shasta
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i'm australian, and I'd care a shitload if my prime minister was fucking around with our laws so much that it gave him the right to detain me indefinitely for the mere suspicion that i might have said hello in the street to an arabian man.

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Jun 15 2004 8:25AM
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passion4this
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I heard about that... 'Calling him bush insults the pant world'... what an asshole... I don't understand his logic at all...





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Jun 15 2004 9:13AM
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hoodratz47
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good post......




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Yea fuck them im sick of them parading around with their lisps and parades and shit. Thats fione if u wanna travel the hersey highway of another fellow. But dont fuckin runn around my city and cause traffic problems with ur parades.FUCK THE FAGS!
Jun 15 2004 10:29AM
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ATLANTASKI
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I think its a good thing, maybe itll keep people from doing crimes

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Jun 15 2004 10:43AM
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ScratchCobra66
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No seriously people care too much, ignore politics, and you wont be freaking out about these things.




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Jun 15 2004 10:49AM
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ScratchCobra66
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Wow...im not retarded.




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Jun 15 2004 10:50AM
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ScratchCobra66
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Thank you Atlanta ski.




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Jun 15 2004 10:52AM
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SmoKinSkier
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Yea im goin to have to say ignore the shit too! Theres nuthin you personally can do so ppl who protest and whine either need to shut up or become a politician!




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Jun 15 2004 10:57AM
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ATLANTASKI
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actvism is pretty fruckin gay

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Jun 15 2004 10:59AM
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ScratchCobra66
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Exactly.




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Jun 15 2004 10:59AM
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Jib_This
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I'm shocked and appalled by how little the world's population seems to care about the torture issues brought up in the recent 'war on terror'.



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Jun 15 2004 1:03PM
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QuickFlash7
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its easy for us to all say who cares now, but somewhere along the lines in some way this is going to affect us all, we tend to forget what trying times these are. our grandkids are going to ask us about this period of time



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Jun 15 2004 1:05PM
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jumpman
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I can't wait until a US soldier gets tortured after he/she is captured. We'll see how fair the US really is then. Just because we are fighting a 'war on terror' doesn't mean we should be exempt from committing war crimes.
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Jun 15 2004 1:11PM
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bigJ
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I care, I paid attention to the whole ordeal, and I hope it happens to more of those bastards. Oh yeah, guess what, this is not the first time that this type of thing has happened, but it in the past people didn't worry about it or stayed pleasently ignorant to it, and it turned out all right, so chill. This thing doesn't matter, and it won't matter as long a uppity douche bags don't go rummaging through executive orders and shit. Bush is just doing what he has to do in order to protect America and our troops.

Also, that shit wasn't even torture.


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Jun 15 2004 1:14PM
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misterbinz
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Atlantaski and scratchcobra, you people amaze me.
Torture is terrible. Torture by my country's government while violating the constitution is absolutely unacceptable. Ignorance isn't bliss, its ignorance. Sure, you can be all happy and not care, until someone you know gets their balls cut off and their eyeballs gouged out, we'll see what you think of activists then.

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Jun 15 2004 1:19PM
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ScratchCobra66
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When did i ever say that torture was ok? I just said that i dont care about politics...i never said anything about torture.




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Jun 15 2004 2:58PM
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SmoKinSkier
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Hmmm its not goin ot happen to sumone i know becuz they arent randomly takin US citizens and torturing them.They are talking about war tactics to get prisoners to give information on plans and leaders of terrorist groups. I WANT THEM to get that info so if solitary confinment or lack of food or even other methods work DO IT. Secondly where were all of you when Sadam was torturing and killing his own ppl in torture rooms then KILLING them. OOH i forgot u were too busy bashing BUSH, why becuz u are more involved with the political amo this brings you more than the ppl gettin tortured.




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Jun 15 2004 3:08PM
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bigJ
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^ damn straight



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Jun 15 2004 3:12PM
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J.D.
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When it comes to Iraq, I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
''Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.''

The lack of respect for human life from some of you is honestly quite disconcerting... It's downright medieval.

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Jun 15 2004 3:18PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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bigJ your fucked up. how the hell has everything turned out for the best. in prior wars the us and other countries have commited war crimes. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE TRADE CENTERS WERE A TARGET. Really buddy the best thing you can do is leave you little bubble that you put yourself in, go to europe, australia, thailand, south america, mexico, canada even and see how much every hates your fucken country. dude your all fucked. we're all fucked if we dont do something about this. we cant sit back and watch and shrug shoulders. china has the industry and motivation to become the world next super power and is well on there way. garunteed with cheaper products cheaper labour and 6 times the civilians, many other country will jump on the band wagon to save a few bucks and step away from american insanity. were gonna crash and burn if we dont do somehting about this.
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Jun 15 2004 3:21PM
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bigJ
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I am not the ignorant fool that you might believe I am, and I know that everyone hates the US. Yet, those nations can hate us all that they want but in the end we are not just doing this for us, it is also for protecting them. Europe has been a terriorst cultivation nursrey, and Europe's negligence and lack of accountability when it comes to anti-terrorist opperations has endangered their home as well as ours. So don't pe placing Europe in a higher catigory then us, they are organized like a pigsty with a common currency.
And guess what its our evil dominering capitalism that makes sure that you arn't paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas over here. You don't know how well you have it here.
Also, if the US was for some reason or another cut trade ties with China you would see their economic advancment and technoligcal advancment grind to a halt. China is doing so well because american firms are pumping billions overtheir so that they can get cheap manufacturing and you can get all your cheap stuff for cheap. You think that if Mao was still ruling over China that they would be growing at the rate they are. And still, a large persentage of Chinesse workers are still working in agriculture so the rest can eat compared to our small amount in that field. China may be growing, but America is supporting the growth.
And I ask you this question, if America is so big and bad why don't you leave. Why do you stick around cohorting with evil.


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Jun 15 2004 3:39PM
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J.D.
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^To be fair, that last question is a horrible one, and used far too often... it's like asking why all the Iraqis didn't just leave during Saddam's reign. I'd like it very much if people stopped using loaded and illogical arguments.

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Jun 15 2004 3:42PM
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bigJ
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yeah, that dawned on me after hitting enter


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Jun 15 2004 3:45PM
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bigJ
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^about the last question, not the rest, hope that wasn't too illogical for you


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Jun 15 2004 3:47PM
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beer.
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haha nice one bigj, doing whatever he has to do to protect our troops? i was gonna say maybe we should not fight this war at all, that that would save some american troops. but no, no. you are definitely right. torturing iraqis is by far the best method at protecting american troops.

by the way, if and when things get real bad, all you people who did nothing and paid no care will be to blame.


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Jun 15 2004 4:51PM
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lineskier10
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torture has been happening for a long time, and believe it or not our army has done it many different times, so seeing it as such a big deal now doesnt make much sense, also what our soldiers did in vietnam was childs play compared to what is happening in iraq
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Jun 15 2004 5:11PM
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J.D.
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^I don't think that came out the way you intended...

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Jun 15 2004 5:13PM
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ATLANTASKI
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A fuckin MEN bigJ

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Jun 15 2004 5:16PM
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'i didnt sell out, i bought in'
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I think [torture]'s a good thing, maybe itll keep people from doing crimes - ATLANTASKI
Jun 15 2004 5:49PM
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rossignol_rider
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One name.....Nick Berg....Maybe i missed it (which i very well could have), but i dont recall seeing everyone being outraged, appalled and all of the other emotions renered by this thread when one of America's citizens was maliciously captured, held hostage, and finally murdered for all militants to find on video. I know you've all heard about it, however,it seems you're more shocked about our foreign policy than our citizens. So, I guess you can all sit and get pissed about war tactics, and bash conservatives, but just htink, had one prisoner been interrogated fully enough, evem to the point of torture...(not death by any means), the United States would still have one fine American helping with the non-military effort in Iraq
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Jun 15 2004 6:57PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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was that the video of the guy getting his neck slit? cause i saw thatand it was fucking disgusting.
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Jun 15 2004 7:01PM
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SkiUnit03
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dude, you guys who are saying torture is just fine and dandy. or even acceptable if you were the guy being turtured, you would fucking deffinatly not still think that



the term 'fuck you'actually came from 'pluck yew' it was from when the english was fightin the french and the french would cut off the englishes middle finger because they used it to pluck the yew which was a bow and arrow....so they would show their middle fingers to the french
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Jun 15 2004 7:26PM
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J.D.
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''had one prisoner been interrogated fully enough, evem to the point of torture...(not death by any means), the United States would still have one fine American helping with the non-military effort in Iraq''

What kind of a human being makes statements like that one? Honestly. That's awful. You're willing to torture someone to within an inch of his life, to the point where he's begging for death, because there's a POSSIBILITY that it'll help an American?!? These measures are extreme and obviously immoral... If torture that might save a life is ok, how about public decapitation to set an example, to make the impression that will discourage further executions? This is just another step down the road to completely destroying America's claim that they represent a moral authority. Suddenly, the U.S. doesn't look a whole lot better than these dictatorships, does it?

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In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always

Here I am
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Jun 15 2004 8:09PM
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rossignol_rider
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jd, what you are saying is true, however by that post, it seemed to convey the wrong message. I think i went a little to far. As sort of a self-rebuttle, i will say taht i took it to far. The way i was originally going with this was to sort of demonstrate how an American citizen can be so overlooked. The fact that all of this argument can commence over this, and not so much as a thread (i could be wrong, i say once again) is sort of outrageous. I agree with certain measuers in order to gain information, but the way i conveyed my opinion about the entire thing seemed a little outrageous. So in conclusion, i apologize for the words that i used in previous statement. This portrays my opinion much better.
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Jun 15 2004 9:52PM
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estaked
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hahahaha well the thread was started bout' how the pres has exective power such as to kill any person he wants... well that is true so every president has had that power why u bitch bout it know? Oh yeah soooooo iraq war.... i wont get started bec josh hit me over the head w/ a shovel oh yeah... BUSH WON
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Jun 15 2004 11:17PM
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freezed
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the president, or anyone following his orders, can torture, kill, or otherwise do whatever they want to anyone, and not be legally accountable...i dont know about you, but find that alarming. i thought our nation was supposed to be built on 'checks and balances'?


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Jun 16 2004 12:04AM
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wilkesyachtingco
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pray tell freezed, what article of the constitution deliniates this fact? i am not saying that its a good idea, just that this hasnt got much to do with the constitution... international treaties perhaps, but not the constitution per se, nor any of the amendments thereof.










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Jun 16 2004 12:20AM
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jarossamdb7
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well it does in that if we don't follow the constitution within our country and outside of it, we are fucking hypocryts. in otherwords, THE USA, that is THE UNITEDS STATES OF AMERICA, IS WAY TOO FUCKING HYPOCRYTICAL
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Jun 16 2004 1:25AM
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wilkesyachtingco
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um, sir, we are following the constitution. this has nothing to do with the constitution. you and your bold type need to take a big time simmer pill....










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