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yeah their campaign is not going well and lacks momentum. chretien would have done things differently too, he would have called before the alliance and conservative could join and rob them of momentum and martin has some bagage going on with the sponsership scandale and such.

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I can't decide who to vote for. its like picking the lesser of evils.
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Liberals are corrupt and need a major clean-up although their ideals are good. We need more answers about the sponsorship scandal... its impossible that no one knows more...

Conservatives are far too much too the right, I think canadians in majority want social programs, and do not want war in iraq.

Bloc quÃ©bÃ©cois is seperatist shit.

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^ or how to spell the acronym..
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^ or how to spell the acronym..
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sorry, I'm quÃ©bÃ©cois, its Nouveau parti dÃ©mocrate in french. Your right, I don't know the acronym in english.
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yah, if you dont want conservitave in power, vote libreal because a vote for the NDP wont do shit all.

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Stephen Harper for PM!

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ya. I agree. I think the liberals wast too much money but I do like that they try to waste money on social programs, even though some of them are shit (like the gun registry), so I suppose the conservatives might spend money better, but I don't think they'd spend it in the right places. I'm a big fan of health care and education and I don't think the conservatives are. I know that the baby boomers are gonna cost a shit load of money to keep alive but I think health care is important, and we should find a way to financially prioritize it. So I have my ideoligies, but they're expensive to actually implement and I guess I have to choose between good money spending and wasting money towards a better cause. I'm still torn. I'd hate to support all the liberal money wasting but I think I'd hate more to support conservative ideas.
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Jun 14 2004 11:02AM

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wait I don't agree. not Stephen harper for PM. I agree with someone else whos name I can't remember.
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Jun 14 2004 11:19AM

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Those of you who say the liberals waste money can rest easy knowing that if there's one thing you can count on from Paul Martin, it's sound fiscal planning. By the way, do any of you like Canadian bands? Matt Good? Sloan? Sam Roberts? Even Nickelback, Gob, and Sum 41 if you're into that stuff... well, the conservative party means to do away with all Canadian arts regulations. That means no canadian bands will get airplay, stations will play more american music, and there will be little to no exposure for the canadians here at home and abroad. Pretty heavy cultural blow, and a step towards americanization. Just one more small reason to add to the pile of reasons not to vote for the connies.

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damn right.
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whoa that no arts thing is shitty. and ya paul martin leading and being more financially responsible has crossed my mind. I guess go liberals?
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The Conservatives dont even have any policies. They havnt had a party meeting to discuss any kind of policies. They also have an unrealistic economic platform that would takem oney from health care and education and put it into the military.
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the guy who I live with for the summer is a financial planner and he's hard core conservative. All he cares about it money, and I guess if hes conservative I must be liberal. I asked him how the conservatives plan on putting all the money they promised into health care and still cut taxes, and he blamed the liberals for making them need to say things like that, and he somehow blamed the liberals for don cherry maybe not coming back next year. crazy people.
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Jun 14 2004 2:10PM

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I honestly cant see how you would want to vote Liberal. Does it not matter to you that they basically took your money and threw it in the garbage? How many chances do you want to give them? I would vote for NDP or Green way before the Liberals.

Right now our healthcare may be cheap, but that does not necassarily make it good. Right now a family friend is waiting for an operation, however, we have no surgeons this side of the border that can do it.

I will go with the conservatives. Id rather spend the money that I earned the way I want and be socially responsible on my own accord.

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Jun 14 2004 5:22PM

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jd may is right guys conservatives want closer ties with the us and i dont mind them but if george bush gets votes in again that would be bad shit also they wanna do some other dumb shit and if they trying to be buddy buddy with the sua then theyll put troops in iraq, we dont havethe money to spend on taht bullshit and ive heard shit about a draft in the usa and i sure as fuck dont want a draft in canada so we have no choice but to vote liberal.....of course they are gonna dick around with money but i mean it least some off it will get spent in the right place because they do have some good ideas.

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sim......... ndp is fucking dumb and although i really like the green party thats not gonna help the liberals out at all and as close as the liberals and conservatives are right now i think everyone should vote liberal

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here's an idea don't vote conservative if no one voted for them we wouldn't have worry about them wrecking the country worse than the liberals.

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I just don't want Paul Martin as PM, good god...

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hahah yeah, if i was able to do a 1620 smoothly with a grab, do you think id still be in a shit ass town with a tiny ass hill?? no id be in mammoth ripping it up everyday repping my sponsors!-Lateralis

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so you would endorse harper personaly i could deal with martin as pm if it was a minority government.

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Martin would be a far better PM than Chretien. And sim, it's not 'giving them another chance'; Martin was the biggest opposer to Chretien's administration with regard to finance in parliament for the last 8 years. He's always fought with the guy. So it'd be more like saying, give a new moderate politician a chance, rather than giving a new extreme right racist Alberta-centric homophobe a chance.

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people are only saying there gonna vote for the cons cuz there mad at the liberals

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wait...theres liberals in canada? no way
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martin is a conservitive trying to be a liberal, harper is GW jr.
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^He says, with a pacifist slogan as his sig. And just because they're called the liberal party doesn't really make them liberals. The NDP are the liberals up here.

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$1.75 for every vote this year. I think this is great... Hopefully, the fringe parties can get some much needed financial support this year to help them in the future.

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^to further that, I believe that any party that gets 2% of the popular vote receives $500 000 in federal funding.

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I'm gonna watch the big debate tonight. I think it'll be interesting. wait. I'ma loser. who watches debates??? oh well I suppose we need some responsible citizens. I'm not usually one so this will even me out.
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^when people call you a loser for watching that debate, remind them that democracy isn't free, and that it's their duty as a Canadian citizen to make an informed decision in regards to whom they vote for on June 28th. Good on you for watching and being interested.

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Jun 15 2004 3:32PM

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yea i think i might hit up the debate as well. it kinda sucks being of legal age to vote, responsibility and such.
i think i might just go green because everyone is being assholes to them, and they seem like well-meaning tree huggers. and who doesn't like those?

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Jun 15 2004 4:28PM

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how do i vote if i'm out of the county? I don't want to come back and be drafted to go to iraq because of the stupid conservatives. (ok, i'm exaggerating)

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Ha haa ahha haa. The Conservatives are so gonna win and it will be great.

Seriously though, a Liberal is a Liberal. Im well aware that the two had some opposing views, but as finance minister, dont try and tell me that he doesnt have any clue as to what happened with the sponsorship scandal. Furthermore, the guy has also flipfloped on issues, such as, for example, gay marriage and such. Admittedly, he would/does make a better PM than Cretien ever did, but it is not enough.

Hopefully, Stephen Harper is somewhat like Bush. Make a decision, stick to it and have some integrity. Hopefully, better decisions. Its funny how he gets labelled as racist and homophobic. Is this merely because hes an Albertan? Maybe Jack is a hippie. He has a differnt view of what marriage is and the rights that then persue. If you had the choice, would you rather be adopted into a family of two daddies, or a mom and a dad? This topic belongs in another thread anyway.

Plus the guy knows how to talk. Harper-PM.

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The phrase 'A liberal is a liberal' is enough on its own to give everyone the clear indication that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. By the way, Harper isn't branded as a racist and a homophobe because he's albertan, it's because he's said:
''west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada''
And has frequently attacked asian immigration. Homophobia is clearly indicated by the fact that his party was founded on the restriction of gay rights, and by the fact that he is personally against same sex coupling. But being a homophobe yourself, as you've shown several times, I'm not about to get into that argument (and I use the term loosely) with you.

It seems likely that the liberals will form a minority government, and that the conservatives will get 80-90 seats.

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screw it, I donâ€™t know enough about politics to say something smart and intelligent to say. While some people say Harper is George Bush jr. I tend to agree with that, since I am pro-Bush. Thatâ€™s another debate I wonâ€™t get into.
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have nothing, I dont save anything from ns, i have mostly porn on my comp tho- Lateralis

hahah yeah, if i was able to do a 1620 smoothly with a grab, do you think id still be in a shit ass town with a tiny ass hill?? no id be in mammoth ripping it up everyday repping my sponsors!-Lateralis

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Oooh you use the term loosely with me. How kind of you. Im going to admit. Saying a 'Liberal is a Liberal' was not necassarily a good idea, but what I will still hold to, is that Martin is not much different than Cretien.

I'm going to ask you in all seriousness. Have you ever left Vancouver? I just would like to know. You have proven yourself numerous of times to be quite knowledgeable, but intelligent- thats another thing. Presumably, for as smart of guy as you make yourself out to be, surely because someone else has a different opinion than you should not automatically make them 'know nothing.' But maybe this could only make sense at a certain level of intellect that only you must have. In a sense, this is almost ironic, as wouldnt branding me as knowing nothing just because I have a different opinion as you be,... hmmm well, almost racist?

I will ask you again, and call me homophobic again if you want, but maybe you should just listen instead. If you are so concerned about human rights, why does this not concern you? If and when same sex marriages are allowed, this allows the couple to then adopt a child. Yet this child does not even get a say in whether it wants two parents of the same gender or not? Would it even understand? So in essence, by giving a certain right to one group, you are essentially taking away the right of another who never even gets a say. Or are all children also just homophobes? I have nothing against people that choose this alternative lifestyle, but in choosing this lifestyle, they have to realize that somethings for them will be different. The sex is.

Furthermore, I am having trouble finding the hate in that quote. Perhaps it even has some truth, maybe it doesnt. I really dont know, but I fail to see where it is so racist.

On my final note, I happen to remember something you once said which had some merit. You said that after anytime the same party is in power for an extended period of time, change is needed. What I gather from your posts, and correct me if I'm wrong, you no longer believe this to be true?

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I'll be voting conservative this June. why...
not to get to indepth but to say,

Liberals are thieves. They've been robbing us blind for years. Making promises and not upholding them. They do it every election, with almost zero results.

NDP are communists.

Green party, i don't know much about. I do know they don't have a hope in hell.

Conservatives, they are going to give a billion to each the military and to healthcare. Me being in the military, this affects me.

Do others (liberals) say they are going to give billions to healthcare? Yes, but will they...hmmm nope, the PM and gov gen need another vacation.

Bottom line, i want a change, i want someone different to lie and cheat this country.
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When I said i used the term loosely, I meant any so-called argument involving the limiting of gay rights. It isn't an argument. An argument can't be decidedly won with illogical reasoning, and that's all that bigotry is. As for this post...

''Martin is not much different than Cretien.''
I agree. Oh, wait, that is, aside from them being opposed to each other on dozens of issues across the political board since 1988.

'I'm going to ask you in all seriousness. Have you ever left Vancouver? I just would like to know.'
I've been to half a dozen states, France, Switzerland, Italy, England, Greece, and Turkey (though technically, it was just an island that belonged to Turkey). Since you asked.

Presumably, for as smart of guy as you make yourself out to be, surely because someone else has a different opinion than you should not automatically make them 'know nothing.'
One, I never said you knew nothing. Second, how is making a statement that is entirely wrong ('A liberal is a liberal') an opinion that I should just accept? It isn't an opinion. It's an assertion. And you're wrong.

'...Yet this child does not even get a say in whether it wants two parents of the same gender or not?'
This argument makes no sense whatsoever. Children don't decide to have heterosexual parents, either. Hell, I bet kids who have clowns for dads get made fun of in grade school, but that doesn't mean I think clowns shouldn't be able to have kids.

'but in choosing this lifestyle, they have to realize that somethings for them will be different.'
First, it's not a choice. They don't get up in the morning one day and flip a coin and get the gay side. Secondly, some things may be different, but their rights and freedoms cannot be infringed upon.

'Furthermore, I am having trouble finding the hate in that quote.'
If you don't see any problem with someone singling out a race as a problem in a particular region of the country, I hold out little hope for you. Basically, he's saying the liberals only win ridings in the west because of the asian agenda. No, you're right, it doesn't sound like he's being at all stereotypical.

'after anytime the same party is in power for an extended period of time, change is needed.'
Not change for the worse. Besides, a Martin administration is quite a shift from the Chretien one that has been in place for so many years.

Honestly... do a little research. I've read books, reports and finance ministry documents written by and about Paul Martin; his personal philosophy, his history, his political intentions. He's really quite moderate, and quite reliable as far as politicians go. I'm voting for him.

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That being said. Was it just me or did Paul Martin come off as a bit of an A-Hole in today's debate?
I'm probably going to vote for the conservatives by process of elimination. Here's my reasoning:
1)The NDP are a bunch of red commies and I'll never vote for them. (Don't even get me started.)
2)I'm sick of the Liberals, don't like Paul Martin, and don't like most of his policies.
3)The Bloc is out because, A)I'm not French, and B) I despise their ludicrous rhetoric and their seperatist garbage. If they want to leave they can take their language and whining and get out. I've had it up to here with the french.
-That leaves the Conservatives. I like Stephen Harper and my local candidate, I like more of his policies than the Liberal Policies and I think scrapping the gun registry and the CRTC regulations would be good. Both a waste of money. The other thing is that I think Harper actually cares about the West unlike Martin.
-Any other parties won't make a differance and be a waste of my vote.

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Thank you Flanker!

I agree with you so much!

if i was a fat black chick, id live in a zoo- Lateralis

have nothing, I dont save anything from ns, i have mostly porn on my comp tho- Lateralis

hahah yeah, if i was able to do a 1620 smoothly with a grab, do you think id still be in a shit ass town with a tiny ass hill?? no id be in mammoth ripping it up everyday repping my sponsors!-Lateralis

I almost broke my penis once, i fell down my gfs stairs naked and with a boner, i was never so scared in my life - Lateralis

Jun 16 2004 1:12PM

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All you people who plan to vote conservative stop right now and ask yourself if you want all your tax dollars going into our military and if u like war and possibly going to war because that where this country will eb headed if you elect conservative. We all know that the liberals havent been that honest but even though they havent held all their promises i look at canada right now and i dont see anything to terribly wrong so they cant be doing that bad of a job.

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