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The SOLUTION to all the JUDGING problems!

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TheRealEvan.
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I think that we all know that there is a problem with the system used for judging freestyle skiing aswell as other action sports.

I believe i have stumbled upon the solution.

They call it "Instant Scoring eXperience"

It scores the contestants for each trick on each different feature without room for error.

This video describes the system best, please watch! http://vimeo.com/13896965

Right now it is only being used in the skateboarding event called "The Street League" http://streetleague.com/

What are your thoughts in terms of bringing it into freestyle skiing as a new competition format and maybe even an entirely new competition?
Dec 19 2010 7:19PM
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C.L
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you're right, this is a good way of judging a fair contest. That's why they have began doing it.

Not to burst your buble or anything.
Dec 19 2010 7:22PM
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chardi
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yes!!!!!!!!!!! dear god please lord give it to me !!!!1 yes!!1

omg anything different would be amazing. it would be so cool because the biggest trick wouldn't necessarily be rated the highest. new, creative, stylish tricks that often get scored low because of the 'difficulty level' would get scored a lot higher if scored by riders
Dec 19 2010 7:23PM
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TheRealEvan.
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i would like to see a link to this comp then, because i have never heard of it
Dec 19 2010 7:25PM
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TheRealEvan.
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oh, well i guess great minds think alike
Dec 19 2010 7:30PM
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TheRealEvan.
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i just think we should get the word out eh?
Dec 19 2010 7:31PM
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jorb.co
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your grammar is impecable.
Dec 19 2010 7:40PM
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Big_Spence
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yeah, i guess it's cool, but that solves no problems whatsoever.
Dec 19 2010 8:16PM
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A.Eberhard
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threads for when my internet is faster.
Dec 19 2010 8:57PM
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titsLOL
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so is your spelling ya douche
Dec 19 2010 9:11PM
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fatherb
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owned
Dec 19 2010 9:17PM
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InitialG
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That skate competition was awesome, hope something like that comes to JOSS.
Dec 19 2010 10:32PM
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Literature
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It reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeLSMKNFO4
Pretty soon, we'll be graphing each others' skiing.

My suggestion for all the complaining about bad scoring, poor results, and flawed judging already exists. It's called skiing pow and having fun with your friends, and trust me, it matters infinitely more than the Dew Tour.
Dec 19 2010 10:45PM
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jdilla
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this has already been brought up but...

although this instant scoring whatever works great for skateboarding, I don't see it translating very well to skiing, at least with certain styles of competitions. it could work with big air and rail jams...but definitely not slopestyle. I mean just think about it, slopestyle courses are (obviously) downhill and have a progressive mix of jumps and rails...all of which require good flow throughout the course, and that should definitely be a part of a skier's final score. if you can't flow through the entire course and hit every feature then that should impact your score, period. also the range of difficulty can get fucked too...a big part of why they're doing this with skateboarding is to allow different styles to be able to compete with each other. obviously big technical air tricks are gonna be worth more than technical rail tricks...so if you're not that good of a jump skier you're gonna wind up getting bumped, which already happens as it is.

regardless I think it would be real interesting to see this brought into skiing...who knows, it might actually work out with slope. but hey, I don't compete, so I don't really give a fuck.
Dec 19 2010 11:23PM
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84891jnf92048
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everything needs to be competitor judged.
Dec 19 2010 11:32PM
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84891jnf92048
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that can easily be fixed by making it illegal to vote for yourself....
Dec 19 2010 11:43PM
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84891jnf92048
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i honestly think that skiers are more in touch with what is currently good skiing than any judge. who knows better what the best run was than the skiers who actually competed on the course? the best people to decide who is the most creative, technical, and stylish are the riders. they are on the cutting edge of the sport, setting standards, and most in touch with what the crowd wants to see as well.

rider judged always seems to work well; have you ever heard of a rider-judged comp "robbing" a competitor?
Dec 19 2010 11:49PM
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84891jnf92048
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its done a lot in skateboarding, Rails 2 Riches this year had rider-cast ballots, in addition to judges, mountain biking does it a lot.

it usually works pretty well.
Dec 19 2010 11:53PM
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deleted5
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yeah ok rob dyrdek
Dec 20 2010 12:00AM
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casimiro
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generation to generation the vicious circle continues.....
Dec 20 2010 12:00AM
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alexg1687
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the obvious solution is to judge it like aerials and diving. have a difficulty rating for each trick then multiply that by a style rating from each judge. that would require a set trick list, which isnt actually that bad. just make it possible for the skiers to speak to the judges in confidence before the event begins, so if they have a new trick they can have a difficulty rating assigned to it. so a double cork 10 might have a high difficulty rating but a really stylish single cork 10 could theoretically beat it.

i know this sort of flies in the face of progression and everything but its probably the fairest way to judge these comps. there's no reason why the trick list cant be 15 pages long. eg. 270 on, fs switch up, bs switch up, bs switch up, 450 off could be listed as a trick in its own right. all the judges have to agree on is WHAT the trick actually was.

apart from the JOI format of knocking out the "worst" two skiers in each round i really dont know how else to solve the problem..
Dec 20 2010 12:01AM
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Troy.
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After watching that, I still don't get it.
Dec 20 2010 12:10AM
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InitialG
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Writing set trick list in your post should have let you know how bad of an idea that is.

Doesn't matter how many pages long the trick list is, that takes us way to close to the whole reason the new canadian air force split from fis bullshit in the first place.
Dec 20 2010 1:54PM
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Cincher
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Yep, that's pretty much where I stopped reading his post.
Dec 20 2010 2:12PM
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Thenowhereman42
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Then people might just vote for their buddies or skiers they share sponsors with though. If anything I would say just hire former competitors for the judges, sort of like how shiest d juged that city jump comp in europe last season.
Dec 20 2010 2:33PM
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bobs
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The only problem I foresee is that the judging system doesn't take into account the whole picture. If the judges give big points for right side dubs, some one can then throw the same right side dub all the way down the course. There's no reward for variety in tricks
Dec 20 2010 2:51PM
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snocompton
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He didnt spell anything wrong...
Dec 20 2010 3:42PM
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fatherb
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except for "impeccable"
Dec 20 2010 3:56PM
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nickyp
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Nor me. I don't understand the dial thing.

All in all though, it's still a subjective scoring method, which will resolve nothing
Dec 20 2010 3:57PM
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PeteyWykes
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only would work in a jam style competition but still a good idea
Dec 20 2010 4:57PM
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Elmo.
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exactly... like in a big air.... but it would be sick if there could be a comp. that was kinda like street league in some way. maybe like an easy rail, a hard rail, a big air jump and rail to jump combo... u get like 4 hits on each feature


this will never happen but none the less i feel like it would be cool
Dec 20 2010 6:18PM
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