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Can I Get Smoother Slo Mo?

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Totes_Magotes
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I've been messing around with Slo Mo lately and I think I've come up with a pretty good method. I edit with Sony Vegas 9 Pro and shoot w/ an HV30 in 2000 fps in Normal HDV 1080 mode.

Let me know how this could get better.

Another Ski Slo Mo Test from blake wiehe on Vimeo.

Dec 8 2010 10:58PM
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Canadianfreeride
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If you rock FCP you can use Twixtor for smooth slow mo. I am not sure about Vegas though.
Dec 8 2010 11:03PM
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TWoods
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too jumpy.


check this video.

http://vimeo.com/17439665

I don't know very much about editing, but these are some good results. just please don't add the ball bearing rain.
Dec 8 2010 11:03PM
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assface
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2000fps? your camera must be the best in the world
Dec 8 2010 11:05PM
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Totes_Magotes
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I'm sorry, it's late and i'm doing homework. 1/2000 shutter speed. you get the drift
Dec 8 2010 11:12PM
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Totes_Magotes
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ya, that's twixtor in AE. I don't see myself switching anytime soon. i just got used to vegas, don't wanna change anytime soon. but sweet video man. +k
Dec 8 2010 11:14PM
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assface
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what fps(frames per second) are you shooting
Dec 8 2010 11:22PM
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Totes_Magotes
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60i
Dec 8 2010 11:29PM
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assface
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you should be able to slow it down to at least 24p and hve it still be smooth
Dec 8 2010 11:52PM
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[~_~]
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Doing slow motion with 60i can be treacherous because it cuts your resolution in half (from a framerate that already technically half resolution). However, beggers can't be choosers, so here is how I did it:

1. Shoot 60i at 1/300. This shutter looks the most natural.
2. Use Time Stretch effect in After Effects. Slow it to 200%.
3. Export!

These are the same settings I used for the slow motion in this video, which was filmed on a DV camera:

Big Easy Camp 2007: Part III from Landis Tanaka on Vimeo.

Dec 9 2010 1:19AM
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*simba*
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I LOVE the Big Easy Camp edits.
Dec 9 2010 1:35AM
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eheath
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Oh god, no where close to the same thing.
Dec 9 2010 1:38AM
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WillStart
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never ceases to amaze me how much the DVX stomps the shit out of the VX. damn you sony, always a step behind panasonic. not that i've owned a sony since
Dec 9 2010 1:38AM
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Totes_Magotes
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yaa i know. I was originally planning on giving both the specs, but then obviously mashed them together in my daze... but now that that's cleared up, any last suggestions? For those saying do certain things in AE, i don't have the program and probably wont be switching anytime soon, but i guess if you can get overall better editing quality, it may be worth a shot... hmm...
Dec 9 2010 8:15AM
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*Nickdel*
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AE isn't a full on editing program if thats what your thinking.
Dec 9 2010 11:07AM
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[~_~]
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After Effects isn't an NLE (non-linear editing) program like Premiere or Final Cut Pro. It's a VFX compositing program. You edit everything shot by the clip...
Dec 9 2010 1:52PM
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jeremy44
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Having the shutter speed at 1/2000 wont make the slow mo any smoother it will only make each frame less blurred. Instead of dropping it all the way to 1/2000 you should use 180 degree rule. Basically whatever your frame rate is, for you 60fps the shutter speed would need to be 1/120 th of a second for the most natural "film" look. Any slower the frames will be blurred together and any faster you will get that choppy look. Also I am not sure if it relates to the editing software you are using but in final cut pro if you shoot in 60i and slow it down in final cut it looks horrible. Instead you have to use cinema tools which comes with final cut studio, to get the best results. I am not sure if that applies to you but you could always download just cinema tools. Hope that helps.
Dec 9 2010 4:40PM
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jeremy44
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Having the shutter speed at 1/2000 wont make the slow mo any smoother it will only make each frame less blurred. Instead of dropping it all the way to 1/2000 you should use 180 degree rule. Basically whatever your frame rate is, for you 60fps the shutter speed would need to be 1/120 th of a second for the most natural "film" look. Any slower the frames will be blurred together and any faster you will get that choppy look. Also I am not sure if it relates to the editing software you are using but in final cut pro if you shoot in 60i and slow it down in final cut it looks horrible. Instead you have to use cinema tools which comes with final cut studio, to get the best results. I am not sure if that applies to you but you could always download just cinema tools. Hope that helps.
Dec 9 2010 4:41PM
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[~_~]
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*regurgitate*

1/120 looks amazing for 30p, but for 60f it is not optimal. 1/300 does a much better job at mimicking the 180 degree shutter if you're using 60i to achieve 60f.
Dec 9 2010 5:48PM
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Totes_Magotes
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Ok, i'm not gonna lie. I never have looked into After Effects that much at all... what exactly is it? how does it work with vegas?
Dec 9 2010 10:01PM
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Tanner-D
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Its a special effects program not really for cutting and splicing clips its good for things like title or any other crazy thing you want to do
Dec 9 2010 10:12PM
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eheath
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All you do is clips at a time and export to a movie file and then put that in your editing program.
Dec 9 2010 10:16PM
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Totes_Magotes
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Well I just learned something totally beside the point of making this thread... and i'm stoked. thank you for this, i'ma definitely give AE a try.

Dec 9 2010 11:17PM
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boobie
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will clips edited with AE be able to be used in any NLE program?
Dec 16 2010 1:16PM
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Gstrong
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how many frames seconds do you film in
Dec 16 2010 1:37PM
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canterbury
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durr,

he said 60i
Dec 16 2010 3:12PM
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Totes_Magotes
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So I've been looking into trying After Effects but I don't have a 64 bit system (cs5) so I really wanna find a place to download the trial version of cs4, but have come to no avail. Help anyone>?
Dec 16 2010 9:48PM
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