The rink idea is bessed way.. im lucky near my local rink there is a hill about 10ffet from where they dum the snow.. last friday me and a friend went there... we just filled a box and a bafg with snow made a few trips back and forth and we whre rdy to hit a rail after about 45mins of building.. anf thats only 2 peoples work.. if we had a jump of wood then it would have taken like 15mins... rinks kick ass... lots of funny stares walking to rink in ski stuff tho