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rankstank
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Aight NS pleeeease help me out-here is my situation. As of now my boot set up is as follows: 2009 SPK Kreation (yellow and black) shells with regular power strap and Full Tilt intuition custom heat molded liners. Now the tech at the ski shop and others I have talked to had this set up and it worked out fine. My problem is: I have NEVER had shin bang in my life with my SPKs and the regular liners. This year, I put in the CUSTOM intutions and 5-6 days into the season, the shin bang is here. I am not quite sure if it is shin bang or just bruising around the top of my boot, but it hurts a lot. Today, as I tried to jurryrig my boots to feeling nice, I put in my old stinky factory SPK liners and they felt great on my shins, but they are a smidge too small on my feet. SOO, has anybody else experienced this phenomena? Should I search for some slightly larger liners that will fit in my 27.5 boot, buy some booster straps, tough it out, or somehow come up with 300-400 for new boots all together? Please help me here ns I am in dire straits, thanks!!!
Dec 2 2010 5:54PM
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Blurst
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The tight feeling might be the boots fitting properly. Your toes should just be resting against the end when your knees are flexed in a forward skiing position. If you are just standing there they may feel too small.
Dec 2 2010 5:59PM
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rankstank
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like in the factory spk liners?
Dec 2 2010 6:04PM
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Blurst
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You are dumb, you are really dumb
- The width comes from the shell not the liner.
- SPKS are 102mm not 105mm
Dec 2 2010 7:43PM
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Blurst
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Yes
Dec 2 2010 7:44PM
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rankstank
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should that matter in relation to my shins? I think the problem seems to be something to do with how the liner folds over itself. My shins only hurt where the innner fold hits it, and with my old spk liners it was more like a solid tounge.
Dec 2 2010 7:44PM
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japanada
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maybe a dumb q, but try to wrap the liners the other way if that makes any sense to ya. On some ppls legs/shins they find that they feel better when wrapped the 'wrong' way.
Dec 2 2010 7:50PM
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rankstank
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actually a great idea, I tried it and it helped for about 2 runs but then it was back...and to you ^^^ any way you have any factory SPK liners be-boppin around Les Moise I can buy? It sucks that I spent a hundred bucks on liners that fucking hurt.
Dec 2 2010 8:01PM
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Slinger1x1
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toes should come off the front when you flex them, and they should touch when you are standing straight
Dec 2 2010 9:47PM
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rankstank
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bump-it seems the pain is more on the side and back of my calves-any idea how to fix?
Dec 4 2010 10:16PM
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Abc567def
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im gunna try and find my many rants on how to fix them brb

but also if they linear is too small with the old spk you can do a T cut in the end of the toe which will allow for movement in the toe box and feel more confortable.
Dec 4 2010 10:19PM
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rankstank
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yeah actually skiing in the old spk is ok size wise-not to bad. Now I can't tell if the old spk is helping or not because I'm assuming my calf is bruised or there is a muscle problem because when I went out today it was unbearable. Any suggestions on how to know when to buy new boots or say "ehh it'll happen with any boot?" Because i don't really know if a new boot would help at all-how much better than heat molded liners can you get-plus I have no way of trying them on the slopes (my new liners felt awesome in the store, got to slopes and after 3 days I was fucked)
Dec 4 2010 10:30PM
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Abc567def
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Yea i still get shinbang even to this day but i do a method that really helps with it. Rather then posting it in this thread to get lost like the hundreds of others ive posted in i'm finally going to make a tutorial thread on it. I'm just in the middle of finals for university right now but i'll try and squeeze some time in for it.
Dec 4 2010 10:35PM
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rankstank
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sick man-in the meantime, anybody else wanna help me out?
Dec 4 2010 10:37PM
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tomPietrowski
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Proberly half the problem is the difference in the liners. The SPK liner has a standard plastic tounge, which protects the shin against the plastic of teh cuff. The Intuition liner is a wrap around so does not have any plastic to rest against the cuff, you will just end up feeling it in the shin. The reason intuition work in things like full tilts is that the tounge on the boot bears all the weight and goes to the top like the plastic tounge on your SPK liner.

You could try a few things. You could do the power strap up under the cuff. Ie do the power strap up the do the cuff up. This would mean most of your weight is tacken by the softer starp and teh starp is then surported by the cuff. This can work well. You may also ant to try a heel lift. Put a cut off heel from an old insole under your current footbeds. This can put the leg into a better postion ofr the front of the shell. It could however put pressure on the instep so it may not work.

Hope this helps. But overall maybe look at getting a new SPK liner in the correct size but this time when you heat mold them do it with toe caps.
Dec 4 2010 10:40PM
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rankstank
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cool thanks i'll have to try that!
Dec 4 2010 11:11PM
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rankstank
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bump, anybody else please? my legs are killing me, couldn't even go out today and i'm pretty bummed.
Dec 5 2010 3:08PM
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onenerdykid
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like any injury, you definitely need to sit it out for a week or so and heal up. I agree with the plastic tongue theory- having a plastic tongue on your liner helps distribute the force over a larger area. It could very well be that without the plastic, your shin is taking the impact. What I've done for people in the past is cut up an old liner (which it sounds like you have) and remove the plastic tongue from the liner. You can then cut it to fit onto your FT liner and glue it into place. Your shop can probably help out with this process if need be.
Dec 5 2010 3:15PM
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rankstank
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aight cool thanks man I'll try that.
Dec 5 2010 3:49PM
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rankstank
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bump-thanks for all the help, anybody else? Just wanna collect all the knowledge I can.
Dec 5 2010 7:54PM
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Pool.
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i dunno if this will help very much but u said the pain was in the back of ur calf so maybe u need to just crank up the powerstrap some more so that ur calf doesnt move around and hit the sides of ur boot.
Dec 5 2010 8:41PM
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rankstank
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possibly, maybe a booster strap would help with thsis.
Dec 5 2010 9:10PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
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Also, you said the pain was on the SIDE and back of your calf. I put in almost 130 days straight last season working at Stevens, and I was getting some gnarly muscle pain on the outside of my calves, especially while skiing on my fat skis (EPs). It turns out it was a canting issue, my leg was constantly working against the boot. I adjusted the canting, and the pain was gone within a week. The wide skis made it worse, and that is when I really noticed it. Just a thought, hope it helps.

You should also consider the possibility that it is a boot/foot anatomy issue. If you can, you should try and talk to a bootfitter, get your foot looked at.


But if it hurts, you shouldn't be skiing on it, the more you ski on it while it hurts, the longer it will take to heal.
Dec 5 2010 11:21PM
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rankstank
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Cool thanks for the info, sounds like what i have!
Dec 6 2010 7:52AM
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japanada
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Les moise wont have any extra liners laying around, buuut, if you go back in, they will work with you to help get them fitting right.
Dec 7 2010 11:26PM
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rankstank
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aight just thought I'd ask, aaaaand, my legs are healing up nicely, just not gonna put the FTs back in.
Dec 8 2010 7:37AM
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JayDope
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is the pain on the outside of ur legs? below the side of ur knee right underneath where the boot starts? it could be that u r bow-legged, and the pressure build up ur experiencing is because ur shin is not flexing flush with the boot, but on an angle causing the outside of ur shin/leg to hurt. Might wanna try a heel wedge in there to prop up ur leg on the proper angle, becuase spks do not have a cuff adjustment.
Dec 8 2010 1:28PM
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rankstank
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yep that's exactly where it is, I'll try that thanks man!
Dec 8 2010 6:44PM
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MEGAZORD
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Really though, go to a boot fitter.  It sounds like you need a footbed and cant of some sort.
Dec 8 2010 7:23PM
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rankstank
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aight man thanks for the advice, will defs get to my shop soon.
Dec 8 2010 7:36PM
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JayDope
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yeah man, i do boot fits at the shop i work at, and thats a problem i see pretty often, im super bow legged and i know the type of pain ur feeling, a varis heel wedge should help ur problem a ton, and if not check out some custom footbeds at ur shop.
Dec 9 2010 1:15AM
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rankstank
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awesome thanks man! 10/10 for all of you!!
Dec 9 2010 8:37AM
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Mr_Jiggs
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interesting method. im going to hold onto that thought since i just bought a pair of full tilts for this year. i was riding spks for the past few years. thanks
Dec 9 2010 3:00PM
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