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Whats ur religion

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IDballa
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?What religion do u follow?
Nov 22 2010 4:13PM
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Dobies.
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Nov 24 2010 2:13PM
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PeteyG
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saved by grace, worshipping our infinite Creator!
Nov 24 2010 2:39PM
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PeteyG
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hahahaha except its alot of evidence and some faith, whereas like people who try and explain the world via science have alot of faith and some evidence.
Nov 24 2010 2:42PM
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PeteyG
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the bible is not a story its historically accurate from start to finish, it has archaelogical proofs for the majority of its events, the crucifixion of christ was found in the documents of roman emperor Claudius and Josephus.

Sciience, unlike religion is a poke in the dark because, for everything descovered, 10 million problems pop up. It is an infinitely large project. Maybe its cuz in order for there to be a concept of infinite, someone more infinite has to put it into motion

Big bang theory still cannot explain where square 1, and you cant say it was infinitely long ago, because then you run into the above problem.

"These facts constitute the theory, which is empirically proven through its application." A theory not a law... once it is a law, then we will talk.


Nov 24 2010 2:50PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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I don't know if I'd go THAT far with it....

There are hundreds of contradictions in the bible.


Nov 24 2010 3:07PM
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Daydreaming
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Other than the bible what evidence is there?
Nov 24 2010 3:12PM
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dbstar
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the bible is not a story its historically accurate from start to finish, it has archaelogical proofs for the majority of its events, the crucifixion of christ was found in the documents of roman emperor Claudius and Josephus.Sciience, unlike religion is a poke in the dark because, for everything descovered, 10 million problems pop up. It is an infinitely large project. Maybe its cuz in order for there to be a concept of infinite, someone more infinite has to put it into motionBig bang theory still cannot explain where square 1, and you cant say it was infinitely long ago, because then you run into the above problem. "These facts constitute the theory, which is empirically proven through its application." A theory not a law... once it is a law, then we will talk.
Nov 24 2010 3:28PM
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PeteyG
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find me one. i dare you.
Nov 24 2010 3:28PM
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PeteyG
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sorry for the cynical edge. ive spent an entire quarter studying contradictions in the bible, and everyone that is potentially a contradiction has turned out in agreement
Nov 24 2010 3:32PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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this thread blows
Nov 24 2010 3:38PM
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PeteyG
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go skiing in the mountains and then tell me theres not a god.

the very act of being excited proves that theres a god. we have feelings. we love. we love because He first loved us.

the concept of infinite.

the origins of our world

if you think that man is inherently good go read the Shantung compound and it shows a society that started from square one and it will show you quite the opposite. or the Village.

Man is inherently evil because Adam and Eve sinned, and the only reason our world hasnt blown up is because of morals that were instituted in the Old Testament, which are sadly diminishing day by day...
Nov 24 2010 3:42PM
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dbstar
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An all powerful God that lacks the ability to create a perfect race?
Nov 24 2010 3:48PM
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PeteyG
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he doesnt lack the ability, but he chose not to. He didnt want to create a perfect race that is forced to love him; rather, he created a race that has the ability to choose, because then it has some meaning.
Nov 24 2010 3:53PM
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dbstar
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You really believe that? Morals come from man, and are seen in the social construct of religion... if you studied the bible you would know that it is littered with instances which would be considered extremely immoral by today's standards. I assume you expect me to pick and choose the virtues of the bible and follow only those that apply today. To say the the old testament provides us with our moral grounding is absurd. For society to function it needs to be based on a certain foundation of morals, for Moses and his little group to even make it to the maintain suggests some sort of social order where murder and other forms of actions would be considered wrong. There are many civilizations that, up until modern times where not at all influenced by Judeo Christian teaching that also share many similar basic moral beliefs. 
Nov 24 2010 3:53PM
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dbstar
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If he was all powerful he wouldn't have had to create a race that was "forced" to love him. He could of created a race that was in harmony with him, that strived to love him and was free of imperfections. All powerful implies that ability to do anything... you realize that right? The ability to chose? I didn't chose to be born in Canada, and the same goes for someone born in a place that is free of christian beliefs, so how does the perfect God address the lack of choice for someone that is unaware?
Nov 24 2010 3:58PM
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PeteyG
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because they borrow morals from christianity. If your saying we live in a world where all truths are perfectly valid, and there is no one truth that is valid, then I could shoot the president if he didnt agree with his policies because I can do whatever I want.

If you truely live by what you say you believe, then you would be Tyler Durden. You cant borrow from christianity
Nov 24 2010 4:01PM
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PeteyG
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But what is the gratification of a creation that is forced to love a creator? that wouldnt be honoring at all! if you created a creation that was forced to love you then that wouldnt be that cool for you!

Also, the second half of your statement I couldnt agree more. There are tons of places in this world that have never heard of Christianity. That is why God commands us to go out and spread the Gospel. Hence, the role of missionaries and stuff like that. Good call man
Nov 24 2010 4:05PM
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dbstar
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I know no matter what I say you will feed me the dribble they spew to you at your sunday school or wtv, but back to the first contradiction "God is all powerful", why does an all powerful God need to seek the self centric gratification you speak of? Obviously God is not a man... he is all powerful... why does he need to be honored? Something all powerful would be void of things like feelings of course, so why do these things matter?

Luckily, for you, I can answer that question and it is pretty simple. God is a construct of men, men where not created in God's image, God was created in the image of man. I guess when they wrote the bible they didn't put alot of thought into what it would mean to label something all powerful.

And just out of curiosity, what makes the belief in your God any more valid than, say the beliefs that a Muslim or Jew has?
Nov 24 2010 4:15PM
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pmills
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1. If god has free will, but can only do what is perfect, then he has no free will.

2. God could have made us with an ability to know the intimate consequences of our actions to prevent us from accidentally/unintentionally causing harm while still providing us freedoms.

Nov 24 2010 4:19PM
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pmills
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the skier's proof that there is no benevolent god.

if there was a truly benevolent god, he would have designed our knees in a way such that they'd never blow out.
Nov 24 2010 4:22PM
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PeteyG
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Ill work from the bottom up.
christianity is the only worldview with no contradictions and if you want me to i can write you an essay on how islam and Judaism are contradictory. I actually wouldnt mind at all.

If it was a construct of man, then we would be able to explain christianity 100%, but there are many parts of christianity that we still cannot explain like the fact that God is outside of time and stuff. If man created christianity, every aspect could be explained 100%. Take the trinity. How could man be a hundred percent man and a hundred percent God? Man cant explain that. Theres all these things we cant understand, and if it was a construct of man, we would be able to explain it.

You said, "Something all powerful would be void of things like feelings of course, so why do these things matter? " God embodies emotion period. He is love. He is kindness. He is wrath. He is the reason we have emotions.
Also, why does being all powerful necessitate feelings? There is no correlation whatsoever. That doesnt even make sense.
The main reason God created us is to bring glory to Him. Says so in I Corinthians 10:31 and 6:20. Please do look these up to know I didnt make up a verse.

Also, this is a debate. Of course I have the right to defend my point of view. To call it dribble just kills your ethos. I love debating tho and respect you for the amount of thought youve put into this.


Nov 24 2010 4:28PM
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PeteyG
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1. God can do whatever he wants. He just chooses to do what is perfect.

2. He does!
Nov 24 2010 4:31PM
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PeteyG
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2. We just work our whole lives around getting around it!
Nov 24 2010 4:31PM
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dbstar
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Your right... God exists and isn't a social construct because we can't explain how we can be both 100% human an 100% god.

Sorry to be demeaning, but I don't even comprehend how that can be used as a stance in an argument with someone who doesn't really believe in God.
Nov 24 2010 4:39PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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to a logical person, this post made no sense, but it sure was more than one paragraph
Nov 24 2010 4:39PM
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PeteyG
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that wasnt the point of my argument. that was an example of how it cant be a construct of man. I regret using that example because it is complicated.

The reason society is so corrupt today is because it wasnt designed for everyone to be their own god. It is no wonder pride is the root of all evil
Nov 24 2010 4:43PM
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pmills
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God could not do anything less than perfect, just like a triangle can not have any less (or more) than 3 sides, it is in the very essence of god to be a perfect being.

Nov 24 2010 4:51PM
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PeteyG
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why are u even asking these questions? these are very mundane parts of christianity. i mean, we can talk about it, but you deny the existence of god altogether so why do u even care?
Nov 24 2010 4:55PM
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dbstar
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How can god not be a construct of man? Everything we do, without taking into account our absolute beginning's can be almost completely understood from a secular perspective. The good feeling i have when skiing isn't because God made me feel love, its because of the way chemical's in my brain interact. It seems perfectly logical to me so come to the conclusion that one of the world's many religions, that has beliefs and values that are reflected by the ethnic groups and geographical regions in which it was strong, much like other religions is nothing but a construct of that particular region in a time when their understanding of how pretty much anything worked was non existent?

The example above leads me to wonder why a perfect God, even if he created us so we could chose to love him would introduce such intrusive things like disease upon humanity. Disease doesn't need to exist so that I can chose to love him... How does a child who dies of some disease contracted beyond anything they could control chose to accept God?
Nov 24 2010 5:06PM
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pmills
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Why aren't you asking these questions? They are the very essence of your faith.
Nov 24 2010 5:09PM
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Jibbidy
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Airhead...you clearly have no idea about what enlightenment is.  It's a state of utmost happiness and acceptance of existence (very vague explanation).
Nov 24 2010 5:10PM
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dbstar
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Question... were the people that wrote the bible divine or humans the exact same as you and me just spreading the word of God?
Nov 24 2010 5:18PM
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pmills
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So what is Good? Just whatever god arbitrarily says is good, or did god reach out to some truth beyond himself -- some pre-existing idea of good.

Nov 24 2010 5:20PM
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Daydreaming
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I go skiing in the mountains all the time and have a glorious time and don't believe in god.

The fact that it makes me excited shows that I have functioning biochemistry and I like adrenaline.

I don't believe Mankind is inherently good or evil. That is a large generalization and the truth is somewhere in between. I find the notion that someone without religion can't also be a good ethical person silly. Personally, I find it much more satisfying to be a civil human being to others simply because I can as opposed to doing it for some greater eternal reward.

Look, even though I don't believe, when I think about how I'm going to be dead, I can understand the appeal of an afterlife.

Though I don't believe, when I think about how large and robust our Universe is I can understand the appeal of believing that there is some governing force other than chaos and happenstance.

I always find the question "how can you not believe when you look at X, Y, or Z?" to be especially disconcerting because I could just as easily point to the same mountains and say "how could you possibly not believe in plate tectonics?" And while you may very well believe in plate tectonics driven by god I think you understand the picture I'm trying to illustrate.

We can discuss this until someone else does something silly and the thread gets deleted but quite frankly I don't have the stamina for it.

I respect your beliefs and their value to you. All I ask is that you respect mine (or lack thereof) and we can still get along great. For example, I am an unrepentant atheist and my best friend is LDS.
Nov 24 2010 5:23PM
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IDballa
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nice
Nov 24 2010 6:33PM
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Daydreaming
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Pretty nuts huh? I actually thought you were just trollin when you made this thread.
Nov 24 2010 6:34PM
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Anathema
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kevin nealon summed it up in happy gilmore when he said 'harness the good energy, block out the bad. harness, good / block, bad. feel the flow. it's circular. circle. it's like a carousel. you pay the quarter and it goes up and down and arrouuund. all good things.'

do unto others as you would have them do unto you, sort of thing..

Nov 24 2010 8:04PM
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pmills
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i think you missed the point, you've already defined good and bad: you said that absence of god is evil/bad and anything done in the name of god is good.

What you've just said has nothing to do with God.

If you'd rather use your new definition, who's the majority? The culture you're in, the human race as a whole? all life on earth?

And if we were born with an innate sense of good and bad, why do we need to teach children the difference between the two.


Nov 24 2010 9:16PM
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PeteyG
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There is a difference between love and respect. I will love you to the ends of the earth. Some of my best friends are agnostic and we love debating. But the people I respect are the ones that hold to their convictions and can admit that everything requires faith. Yours, mine, the next persons. I have faith that my religion is correct, and to back that faith up, i have evidence, and i have had enough experience and knowledge to know that there is a God and that all other worldviews are contradictory and invalid. Atheism requires faith too. Science doesnt have it all figured out. You have faith in the leading scientists of the day, and I have faith in an Omniscient Creator. And I have seen Him work in my life enough to know He exists.

So yes, I will love you and we can get along great, but I dont have to respect your beliefs.
Nov 24 2010 9:49PM
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charmander
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i'm not sure where you're getting this...

honestly, this is the only thing i can't handle in these religious debates, this sort of i'm right, the rest of you are wrong kinda thing just gets me all kinds of riled up.

and to answer the op, im still searching. right now im reading alot about indigenous beliefs. a good friend of mine is full blooded nez perce (sp?), and we've been talking alot about beliefs, it's pretty cool stuff.

also, Zoroastrianism is pretty sweet i think, in my opinion it's a sort of predecessor to abrahamic religion. and older is better imo.
Nov 24 2010 9:53PM
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pmills
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how do you love people that aren't part of your faith knowing they're all going to hell?

if you truly loved them, wouldn't you be doing everything you can to covert them?
Nov 24 2010 9:57PM
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chicken
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Christian. More by tradition and morals than faith.
Nov 24 2010 9:57PM
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pmills
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Nov 24 2010 10:00PM
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PeteyG
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You cant force people to convert. they have to change their heart and realize what the truth is. But yes, everyday I pray for God to show himself to my friends, cuz I want to be with them in eternity. And also the reason I comment in these threads, to give people a glimpse of the truth.
Nov 24 2010 10:08PM
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kootenayklaus
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sex.
Nov 24 2010 10:14PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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I think, that all this talk of good and evil leads back to Zoroaster, who came up with the whole battle between Good and Evil stuff.



Nov 24 2010 11:24PM
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IDballa
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agreed that sonva bitch
Nov 24 2010 11:38PM
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Cufe.
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I follow the Snow Gods! here is an excerpt from their holy writings

Nov 24 2010 11:42PM
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GabP
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agnosticism
Nov 24 2010 11:45PM
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dbstar
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The only truth i've seen here is the gaping, massive holes that without almost any effort can be poked through basically every aspect of the christian religion.
Nov 25 2010 12:23AM
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