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IDballa
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?What religion do u follow?
Nov 22 2010 4:13PM
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pmills
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whoops, i mistook you for someone who paid for something.
Nov 23 2010 9:37PM
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Muhammad
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Yeah, like TWoods?

Nov 23 2010 9:40PM
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pmills
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Nov 23 2010 9:42PM
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Muhammad
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Also, I'm clearly displeased with the site's management.  Why would I donate to something that I don't agree with?

If changes are made that will fix the problems I see, I will donate.  But until then, I'm not going to give NS money just so that I can get a dollar bill sign on my name if the mods are banning people on whim. 

Nov 23 2010 9:44PM
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pmills
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http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/
Nov 23 2010 9:47PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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Nov 23 2010 9:48PM
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Muhammad
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Goodbye then.  Hopefully we will meet in another thread where you will actually make some valid points. 
Nov 23 2010 9:49PM
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TWoods
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I'm tired of this bullshit. And I'm done. I'm not explaining myself anymore.

I've donated plenty of time and work towards this site, that I've never asked for any sort of compensation for. I don't need a dollar sign next to my name, because the people that run this site for you know, part of the reason why I'm a mod.

I like newschoolers, I like the management, and the fact that a few people don't get it really doesn't matter to me anymore.

Get over it. Great job setting such a great example of what this site has to offer to the OP guys, really great effort.
Nov 23 2010 9:56PM
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ECB
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But that member is a troll?
Nov 23 2010 10:17PM
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J.DUKE
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this thread has turned into complete asshattery
Nov 23 2010 10:53PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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ULLR

NORSE GOD OF SNOW!

BYAR BYAR BYAR!

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Nov 23 2010 11:20PM
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ECB
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Since this thread has gone to shit, can someone please post the video of "White girls, its what we like to do"
Nov 23 2010 11:20PM
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ECB
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Nov 23 2010 11:31PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Like I said in another thread on this topic,

The whole "God is the almighty savior that sees and controls everything we do and if we don't believe in him we go to hell" thing is complete BS.

Religion, in my opinion, was more of a "How to Live a Good Life For Dummies" kind of thing.

But I don't think Jesus, Muhammad, Zoroaster, etc. expected that this was what religion was destined to become. They'd all be ashamed if they saw how badly we've fucked it up.
Nov 23 2010 11:57PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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If there was a video game based on being reasonable and level headed, you would be pro.
Nov 24 2010 12:31AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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What if God stuck his dick in Mother Nature, therefore setting off the events of the "Big Bang"?

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Nov 24 2010 12:47AM
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Da_Buddha
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you said the only thing we can ever know to be concrete in our life are our 5 senses...
so basically everything outside of our consciousness or in other words, are mind, would be known as the external world, and everything in the external world you believe to be true, because you have perceived them as real, using your 5 senses. Lets use a rock as a object from the external world. if we are physically holding this rock, we use are using our senses to make us believe that the rock exists....therefor everything we believe to exist in our lives is all solely dependent on our sensory receptors, that allow us to taste, smell, see, touch, and hear everything in our life that we've experienced.

Now lets say that a evil scientist was implanting electrical probes into our brains. This scientist would play on a keyboard that the electrical probes were connected too, this would cause electrical impulses to be sent into are brain, which would control everything in our mind. Having complete control of our mind would allow this scientist to control our "five senses", which would give us a false perception of everything in our lives we believed to be complete truth. so the rock we were previously holding would now have a possibility of not existing and being merely a false perception in our mind, because there is a possibility of a evil scientist making us think we are holding this rock....this idea is similar to the concept of the matrix

now being told that everything you believe to be true and exist in the external would has the possibility of all being a delusion, would bring discomfort and trouble many. Sadly however, since there is a possibility of everything external to our minds being all a false perception, proves that nobody can ever fully know for certain anything regarding the external world. So in order to have knowledge for certainty regarding anything in external , one first must prove the that there is no evil scientist falsely perceiving you into doing so

so in conclusion,
-since there is no way for anyone to prove that the evil scientist falsely perceiving us does not exist

-then there is no way for anyone to ever achieve knowledge of anything regarding the external world







Nov 24 2010 1:11AM
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SweatyBallShack
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This thread is crazy. Can't we all just say "I'm (insert religion here)" and move on?
Nov 24 2010 1:15AM
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Justyle
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My mom was an oprah freak she tried to raise me as a mindless oprah watching drone and i said fuck that... so i guess im an "O dub" by birth ...
Nov 24 2010 1:34AM
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JamesR
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It should be pointed out that the universe coming from nothing is entirely plausible while a super-intelligent omnipotent, omniscient creator coming from nothing has no basis in available facts.
Nov 24 2010 2:09AM
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Jibbidy
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Yes, the world could be like the matrix. Or, what I see and perceive could be just a manifestation of my "self" and nothing and nobody else is truly real. But you have to stop somewhere, and live your life. It's a liberating feeling to detach from the rest, and jut LIVE. Any career, and choice, whatever. I feel that I AM god, yet only to myself. Only I know my thoughts, and I can express them, but what's in my head is in my head alone, no matter what. That is freedom in the simplest form. The world is a playground, a sandbox, a journey to the "end", nothing more. Fuck religion - people just gotta chill out, embrace their own wants and desires, and chase them, and say fuck you to anyone who tries to hinder that. You can't know what's on the "other side", but only wait and see.
Nov 24 2010 2:31AM
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JamesR
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That's why science is great. The only credible information is reviewed by thousands/millions/billions of people. Every time new data is found the theories change to fit it. No one gets pissed when the theory of evolution gets changed to include a new species. Try changing the bible and see what happens. And you are free to study anything you like and make your own decisions based on the available data. But I'm not really sure how that has to do with what I said because it seems obvious that the universe would begin in simplicity and build on itself rather than start with the most complex perfect thing that could ever exist. Saying it's not my belief or I can't know it's true is like saying I can't like chocolate milk because other people liked it first. The facts remain. Science is based on observable facts. Christianity is based on dogma handed down from generation to generation that says that at one point someone observed something. Hardly the same thing. And I've grown up in a highly religious area so I haven't exactly had science pounded into my head since i was a child. I'm smart enough to read about these things from many different sources and study the information the theories are based on.
Nov 24 2010 2:37AM
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JamesR
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That's why science is great. The only credible information is reviewed by thousands/millions/billions of people. Every time new data is found the theories change to fit it. No one gets pissed when the theory of evolution gets changed to include a new species. Try changing the bible and see what happens. And you are free to study anything you like and make your own decisions based on the available data. But I'm not really sure how that has to do with what I said because it seems obvious that the universe would begin in simplicity and build on itself rather than start with the most complex perfect thing that could ever exist. Saying it's not my belief or I can't know it's true is like saying I can't like chocolate milk because other people liked it first. The facts remain. Science is based on observable facts. Christianity is based on dogma handed down from generation to generation that says that at one point someone observed something. Hardly the same thing. And I've grown up in a highly religious area so I haven't exactly had science pounded into my head since i was a child. I'm smart enough to read about these things from many different sources and study the information the theories are based on. Also, you lack an understanding of how "theory" is used in the scientific world.
Nov 24 2010 2:44AM
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Jibbidy
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Why in the hell (pardon the expression lol) would you make a bet that YOUR religion is correct and real when there are so many hundreds of religions? Dumb fucking bet. Just because a guy blows the fuck outta himself and a bus in hopes of 21 virgins waiting for him doesn't make him WRONG and you RIGHT. How ignorant! Religion just provides lost minds with guidelines with how they should live their lives, nothing more. Evolution is boss, and cooperation is only natural, in other words, we are born naturally with good ethics. Our parents just fuck it all up as we grow.
Nov 24 2010 2:45AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Guys, not to ruin the mood of the thread or anything,

but why can't we just all get along?

Don't get me wrong, I find both sides of the topic's opinions extremely interesting, but isn't there more to life than bickering over whether religion exists or not? Whats it matter? We'll find out (or not) when we're dead. Its that simple.


Coming from a different angle, all religions are all almost exactly the same at the core. They praise family values, good moral attitudes, kindness and generosity towards others, etc.

Wanna know something funny?

The Qur'an, the bible of the Muslim faith, mentions the Virgin Mary more times than the Christian Bible does.

Just thought that was a fun little side fact.

Anyways, return to arguing.
Nov 24 2010 2:49AM
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GayWolf420
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I will probably get flamed for this but fuck it, I already have a "Bad" Reputation on this site already. Mose religions believe in the same god. I don't see why there is arguments over which religion is better.
Nov 24 2010 2:53AM
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JamesR
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I'm not trying to be condescending, but you really have a lot to learn about the big bang and evolution if you want to make the effort. Also, evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is the explanation of how it works.
Nov 24 2010 2:54AM
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JamesR
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To continue with what i was saying, there is also a theory of gravity based on FACTS that can be observed. Like objects falling. Theories are models based on facts, they're not guesses.
Nov 24 2010 2:58AM
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JamesR
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It's not a "belief" that objects fall, it's a fact. It is a belief that a God manifested and created humans from dirt. There are no facts to support it. That's why there is no theory of dirt-genesis.
Nov 24 2010 2:59AM
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Jibbidy
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You nailed it pretty much. Science is measurable, quantifiable, and religion is not. What goes up must come down. It's unfair for one to say that "scientific theories are changed all the time" Well yeah, sometimes, the latest, most modern ones are modified, but we have made forward progress and have put together enough of the puzzle that we won't go back very far. Scientific theories are based on consistencies, and are therefore the best thing we got. Much better than religion, which doesn't even have a measurable, observable "square one" off which to become consistent. Hell, I can make up a god right now, and a new religion, why not. But an egg will always fuckin cook on a hot frying pan, magnets will always pull, and so on. Shed your religious lead boots and get free, like me! Good luck.
Nov 24 2010 3:00AM
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JamesR
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Thank you. I've never understood why fundamentalists cling to that "science is religion!" argument. It makes no sense if you're not a dumb ass.
Nov 24 2010 3:05AM
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JamesR
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sig'd. I'm also too tired to continue. I'll agree to disagree. For now...
Nov 24 2010 3:21AM
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Daydreaming
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That is surprising. All this time I thought it was an alias for a troll so they could intentionally stir things up.
Nov 24 2010 3:25AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Why don't we just /thread so that shit doesn't get more out of hand than it already is?
Nov 24 2010 3:26AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Theres a really good book recently published by Hawkings that really delves into the questions posed in the last page.

Its really impossible for anyone to definitively prove that the universe didnt come into existence 5 seconds ago. Furthermore, theres nothing to say that we arent all beings in some "Matrix"
like scenario.

So yes, its almost impossible to 100% prove anything. But its what we've got. Until we see things acting differently, it seems our universe abides by a set of rules and laws. Why these are the way they are can usually be explained, albeit un-excitingly, that without this fine tuning, our universe wouldnt allow human beings to exist. Strong anthropic principle right there.

It could very well be that there is no way to fully explain why we exist. The data may exist outside of what we can possibly ever observe. We can predict away till the worlds end (if there is one), but you can take comfort from the bewildering apparent chaos with a few facts.

We all seem to be experiencing the same world (though this can lead into an interesting speculation that our minds betray reality, and that the world is nothing but a cooked up projection of our brains - you could be the only being that actually exists), and in this world, there seems to be some effective order and structure. Past that, well... the universe is kinda cool, isnt it? Why not just make existence the answer to our search for a reason? Exist for the sake of existing. Experience things for the sake of experiencing things. If nothing else, it makes for thought provoking ideas and amusing audiobooks to listen to while you grind skis.
Nov 24 2010 3:27AM
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th3Mailman
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no evolution is fact technically its all still the "theory of evolution". however its so well proven now that its widely accepted as truth and if you believe in creationism your fucking retarded. /facepalm
Nov 24 2010 3:42AM
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th3Mailman
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and yes that book is DOPE
Nov 24 2010 3:43AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Well, you've succeeded in fucking my mind.


I'm going to bed.
Nov 24 2010 3:47AM
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Jibbidy
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You sir, like myself, sound completely enlightened. For me I was never depressed per say, but it came down to contemplating suicide as a result of impatience and anxiety to see what's "after", or living through life as it is until that same point anyways. No point in rushing the inevitable. Obviously, I embraced the idea of existing, and am running with it in the pursuit of happiness. It took me years of dwelling (from around 17 to now, 21 years of age) on religions/philosophy to get this point where it suddenly just *clicked. I didn't write any of those Bibles, books, articles, or theories, so what credibility do they actually have? Zip. I took all of it, put in a mental paper bag, balled it up, and threw it away forever! Hard to explain but I now live outwardly, instead of in. I am my god from here on out.

And as a result, I daresay, I'm the happiest person I know.

You might differ slightly, I don't know, but cheers and good on ya. You seem much more at peace, smart, and self-enlightened than, from what I read and sense, the majority of members here.
Nov 24 2010 3:51AM
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Magikarp
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Basic existence is now enlightenment?
Nov 24 2010 3:57AM
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AOTEAROA
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this....


and this...



"Religion is basically and organised panic about death" - Dylan Moran.
Nov 24 2010 7:14AM
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pmills
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Nov 24 2010 7:31AM
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pmills
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Nov 24 2010 7:31AM
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dbstar
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Um, ya science is based on observable facts. Religion is based on nothing, the bible is a story. Science, unlike religion, is not a poke in the dark. The big bang theory didn't come from someone waking up and deciding that was how they wanted it to be. The big bang theory is a theory that is based upon observable facts. A good example is evolution. You cannot observe evolution so to speak, well perhaps you can but only on the microscopic scale. Evolution as a theory is based upon certain observable facts, differences in the biology of species around the world, changes over time in analyzing fossils, similarities in DNA between certain animals. These facts constitute the theory, which is empirically proven through its application. Evolution as a theory can be applied, and is applied in science, an example is how doctors know not to over prescribe antibiotics as your body will develop resistance to them. There really is almost no similarity between religion and science, to say that would be to say that creative writing and empirically based studies of our surroundings are one and the same, just that creative writing was first. People always use the big bang theory to attack science and facts because it is one of the more obscure and difficult theories out there.
Nov 24 2010 10:36AM
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H8CH
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The work at the hardon collider shall prove how we can get matter from apparent "nothingness" and can recreate conditions that existed in the milliseconds after the big bang.... here's hoping they nail that shit and then we can all move on..... hopefully! the immense power of the human mind will be able to prove how the universe came about, and how we got matter from apparent nothingness.... the human brain cannot comprehend things at an atomic level though, and the majority of the public on this planet are, im afraid to say, not that intelligent. those of us who study and work in physics and engineering see everyday the laws that govern our world and our universe.... it's all around you... I don't even understand why there is a debate sometimes.... it's fucking obvious to me!

On a personal spiritual level - i REALLY do not need more then this - Im happy that i have this life and that's it - i shall make the most of it, live it to the max and have no regrets on my death bed. I do NOT understand why religous people NEED more then this? why? I find it weak.... but therein is the point, Religion is there to help weak people discover a meaning to their life.... but for me, no.... Im happy in the knowledge that when i close my eyes for the last time here, that is it - that is my lot.... and i truly expect that to be the case.... I cannot comprehend the immense anticlimax waiting religious people at time of death.
Nov 24 2010 10:56AM
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TijmenDal
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Atheist? Agnostic?

Not anything up there anyway...
Nov 24 2010 12:21PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Nov 24 2010 12:54PM
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IDballa
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well this has gotten crazy
Nov 24 2010 12:55PM
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