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sagesnow
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First, +k for help on this. So I tried my first pair of full tilts two years ago and loved them more than anything, they were the zebra stripped hot doggers with flex 4 tongue I believe. I grew out of them though and picked up the new ones and I just have a quick question.

So the new boots I have seem to not flex as well as my old ones, I don't think it's the flex of the tongue though. when I undo the straps and bend forward the tongue flex fine, but when they're strapped up its hard to flex and it feel like i'm not really moving. I think the problem is possibly the back of the boot is too tight and doesn't flex with my legs when I bend forward.

Sparknotes: Can I make the back of the boot looser? If so, how can I do that?

If you have any other suggestions for better flexing here's other things that may help you help me: I'm 5 7 and weigh 126. I have very skinny feet and calfs.

Thanks! and +K for help
Nov 21 2010 9:51PM
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Mogwai.
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have you had them heat molded?
Nov 21 2010 10:08PM
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sagesnow
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not yet actually. Will that help flexability?
Nov 21 2010 10:10PM
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BWalmer
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Do you have the new hot dogger? If so, then the flex IS different, the 09s (Zebra) were a #4 flex while the new ones (Wallisch) are a #6 flex.

Other options are to take the spoiler (the black on the back of the boot at the top - hard to explain, but it's kinda obvious when you look at it) out (the screw that holds the power strap on also holds this on, unscrew that screw, remove the lock nut thing on the spoiler, and put it directly on the back of the boot without the spoiler and screw it back together so the power strap stays in place). Or remove the forward lean shim (this is explained in the manual, but you unscrew the screw on the side of the boot where the ankle is, and pull the black horseshoe like thing out - there are spare parts that come with the boot that look the same, don't worry about those, they move the forward lean even more forward).

All of those can change the flex of the boot slightly, if you need a better description of what to do I can do that.
Nov 21 2010 10:13PM
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Mogwai.
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well it will make them feel a lot better on your leg/foot. i noticed a big difference in my boots after i got them molded. they just feel more natural. also, Flashkick101 knows whats up so if you fallow his advice and it still doesn't feel right, get them molded. it's worth it
Nov 21 2010 10:24PM
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Black.Bird
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My boots are all used up from the past 3 seasons and I tried on my first pair of full tilts. They were also the hot doggers and I did feel the same way you did about them. I have really small calfs as well and weigh just under 130 like you. They fit perfect around my ankles but the problem was the top where there was a gap between the boot and the back of my calfs, this caused the boot to flex unnaturally making it uncomfortable when leaning forwards. To eliminate the gap and create a more natural flex for your weight and structure get a booster strap, and also get tongue number 4 or lower if you want. The booster strap will help you out lots, and will make flexing your boot not as uncomfortable.
Nov 21 2010 10:39PM
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BWalmer
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If you want the top buckle to be tighter, you can do that too. It is a bit tricker than the above ways to adjust the boot. You have to remove the entire back of the boot (two screws, one on either side of the ankle), then you'll notice the top cable comes with it, where that cable attaches to the boot you'll notice there are 3 notches and the cable in the the middle notch, use a standard (flat head) screwdriver to pop the cable loose and then put it in one of the other notches (looser=longer=the notch closer to the edge of the plastic, tighter=shorter=the 3rd notch in, or furthest away from the edge of the plastic).

One other thing to consider, when you flex the boot you put pressure into the tongue obviously, but those cables pull the back of the boot forward based on how far the front (the tongue) flexes, so the stiffer the tongue, the harder it will be to flex the back forward. So it very well could be the stiffness of the tongue even though it feels like the back of the boot.
Nov 21 2010 10:49PM
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sagesnow
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Thanks for the help everyone, i'm gonna go try some of these ideas out now. everyones been +k'd too, except flashkick101 cause he was already at 10/10
Nov 21 2010 11:00PM
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Black.Bird
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Yes thanks, the guy at the shop was showing me exactly that with the 3 notches. The thing with full tilt is that the buckles dont got as high as other standard boots out there, so the booster strap can make a difference.

It feels like it's the back because I'm guessing he has a gap between his calfs and the back of the boot when he flexes them. He's flexing forward; exposing that gap, moving the tongue the way it's supposed to but the back doesn't seem to move since theres no contact between his calf and the boot.
This might make a bit of sense.
Nov 21 2010 11:07PM
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Mogwai.
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Best of luck man hopefully it works out well. Ft's really are where it's at. I sent some k your way as well my friend
Nov 21 2010 11:29PM
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sagesnow
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^ thank you

And yeah I have the gap in between my leg and the boot when i bend it as well which I feel might be part of the problem. I'm gonna try tightening more and finding a lower flex tongue
Nov 21 2010 11:39PM
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onenerdykid
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granted it's a #6 tongue versus a #4, but the tongues will soften up a bit too as the boot breaks in. The new liners are also stiffer, which does affect the overall stiffness of the boot as well.
Nov 22 2010 12:21PM
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sagesnow
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I was hoping that would happen to because it seemed to have happened for my old boots too. Thanks for the help! I'm gonna go mold the boots later and see if that helps.
Nov 22 2010 1:18PM
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raidergti
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im about the same as you, i am 5 and a half feet and weigh 130.  i ski the booters with a custom 2 tongue cuz im so weak and light, and i just grew out of them and got konflicts.  i hate em, but the 8 tongue is not as stiff as i thought it would be.  they were just too damn tall for me to flex and they are heavy
Nov 22 2010 8:31PM
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sagesnow
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can I have your 2 flex tongue or are you using it?
Nov 22 2010 9:15PM
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onenerdykid
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the tongues are sized, so make sure he has the same shell size range as you.
Nov 23 2010 6:57AM
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raidergti
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sorry sageskier, i had to get rid of my konflicts cuz i cant use em, so i had to buy a new bigger liner for my booters so i can try to get another season out of them
Nov 29 2010 5:21PM
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