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.caleb
Posts: 225 - Karma: 186

i am in desperate need of bindings and will be ordering setup soon. 
will griffons hold up on 20-40ft jumps and rails? i can fork up extra cash for fks or jesters but m hesitating to spend that kind of money on bindings i live on east coast im 6'1" 155lbs and will mount on ar7 181
i ski about 65% jumps 35% rails live in pa so hardpack and ice  no pow
so basically im willing to spend extra money on fks if i NEED to
find me a binding  +k

Nov 20 2010 2:25PM
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.jesus.
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I've heard some wacky stuff about griffons i'd go with fks'
Nov 20 2010 2:29PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Get some Sth 12 drivers instead. A much better binding.
Nov 20 2010 2:33PM
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.caleb
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arent sth's heavyy??
Nov 20 2010 2:35PM
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JStrathern
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Can someone link me to where you hear the bad things about Griffons? I'm not saying they're perfect, but myself and 4 of my friends have had them for a full season and not one of us had a single problem, and in fact they're the most solid bindings I've used to date.
Nov 20 2010 2:35PM
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Heart
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I've had the same experience. Everyone loves to hate on Griffons when in reality, they are pretty solid bindings, personally I've never had any problems with mine.

OP, i think they'd work just fine for you, as you aren't hitting any huge jumps, and you aren't too heavy.
Nov 20 2010 2:41PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Well i have owned a pair and did not like them one bit.
Cracked the toe piece 2 times.

And you cant notice how much your bindings weigh while skiing.
Nov 20 2010 2:43PM
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Phormat
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I haven't had a problem with mine. A lot of the complaints seem to be about them mostly being made of plastic vs. metal. But I'm pretty light ~150lb, I'm sure they would work fine for you.
Nov 20 2010 2:45PM
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.caleb
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thanks a lot im leaning towards griffons
im not hitting jumps bigger than 50 cause i live in pa and my home mountain is lucky to get  a good 30ft
im just worried about durability
Nov 20 2010 2:49PM
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JStrathern
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Well I overshot a 50 at Waterville and probably went 60ish and they held up perfectly. Then again I'm only 135ish, but I still feel like they're pretty durable.
Nov 20 2010 2:50PM
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CDdesign
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Griffons are super solid, great binding a great back up would be a Peak 12, after just testing all 100+ skis in our shops demo fleet, the most solid testers were the Tyrolia bindings!
Nov 20 2010 2:52PM
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Degnan
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Ive had no problems with my griffons. And i skied them at PC all last season.  Held up fine on all the Kings jumps.  However, my friend also had them and he broke his on like a 20 jump.  That's probably pretty rare though, and he got them warrantied. 
Nov 20 2010 3:36PM
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muFFn
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I went with Jesters my self. I really love them to death. I've broken a few Salomon bindings myself, so I tend to stray away from them. Haven't had an issue with the Jester. My buddy loves his Griffins and he's about your size.
Nov 20 2010 4:05PM
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The.Ginger
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I'm getting the Squire this year but I haven't used them yet so i cant really be of help in your decision
Nov 20 2010 4:55PM
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BerGNARdo
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the reason for a burlier binding would be

1) higher din setting (which it seems you dont need)
2) better durability, which would be necessary if you have a reason to believe cheaper, plastic bindings will explode due to your style of skiing, or you want a binding that will last a long long time.

in my experience, bindings rarely ever just break. the consistency of huge impact over and over wears them down until the likeliness of failure becomes inevitable.

if you have the funds for a better binding, i would pull the trigger. I am much smaller than you and wont ride 12 din bindings because they will explode eventually. if bindings that cost twice as much last twice as long, you get to ride a better quality binding for the same price over time.
Nov 20 2010 5:33PM
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openmindportrait
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I have them on my Halos that i just got skied them yesterday and they are pretty damn burly if your light there basically like jesters of griffons would be if your heavy im 140 and they seem pretty bombproof
Nov 20 2010 8:44PM
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ChocoTaco345
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nope. griffons weigh 4 lbs (a pair) and sth 14's weigh 4 lbs 9 ounces. heavy bindings are like fischer and look/rossi bindings, which weight like 5 or 6 lbs
Nov 20 2010 9:17PM
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crawley
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STH 14 drivers are in a whole different league than griffons, but they are twice as much also. I have griffons on my jib skis, jesters on my park skis, and STH on my skis where I could die if the binding fucks up. They both work well, but the STH is simply a better binding in every respect:

1. the STH 5 hole pattern on the heel is more robust
2. the STH heelpiece has legit lateral exit
3. the STH screw mounting width is substantially wider
4. the STH toepiece is so much better it's absurd. Adjustable toe height, adjustable wings, metal construction. Not to mention the weakest part of the griffon is the toepieces tendency to develop some play after a few seasons.
5. for all of those advantages the STH 14s are about a tenth of a pound heavier and the STH 16s are a quarter pound heavier. That is like wearing a heavy pair of socks, it makes no difference.

And the price shows, my griffons and jesters have cost $125-175 and my STHs cost $190-300.

The griffons are really nice bindings. But they don't even come close to STH quality or reliability.
Nov 20 2010 11:50PM
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Taika
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I'm also thinking of Griffons. I'm ≈79kg and 187cm
Skis are Line Blends 2010 (183cm)

Nov 22 2010 5:16PM
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El_Barto.
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this is my only complaint. i have 2 pairs of griffons and 1 of them developed some pretty big play towards the end of last year after 2 full seasons of riding. i can feel a vibration in the toe when im on the chair and its pretty annoying.

personally, i think you can do way better for the money. you can get px15s new for around 150. if the griffons are cheap get em but if they are more than 130 i would look else. i really like the SAS2 120(freeski120xl).
Nov 22 2010 5:29PM
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.caleb
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thanks everyone i actually ended up going with a sth 14 driver and im super stoked on my purchase itll be worth the extra $30 over griffons
Nov 22 2010 6:19PM
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YourBoyBlue
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Griffons are actually really solid, but you can do better if you have a lighter ski. Like I just got this year's Punx, and since they're so light I threw Look Pivot 14s on them. Great steel binding that'll never fail :)

What ski are you mounting them on?
Nov 22 2010 7:27PM
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pow_pow2
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^^^THIS!

WWW.BIGSKYBOARDS.COM

Nov 24 2010 12:18PM
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.cam.
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I think griffons still would have been a good choice. I am 260 lbs and have never had a problem with mine
Nov 24 2010 12:33PM
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andrew95
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right now im choseing between fks and griffons.. for the lack of cash i think i might go with the griffons.. dont worry about them falling apart i have heard nothing but good things from people i ski with
Nov 24 2010 12:34PM
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jmBEERY
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no no no no

sth's always break un less they are sth 16's

get some 16's, dynastar/look trouble makers or griffens. But never sth 12's

Nov 24 2010 10:48PM
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crawley
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this is the first year they've made driver toes on the 12s ever I think? so how can they always break if they've never been used before?
Nov 24 2010 11:30PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Read what i said again. I say sth 12 driver not the sth 12 the sth 12 is shit.
The driver is a much better binding and this year they are making it with a 12 din.
Nov 25 2010 2:08AM
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drod
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So I had griffons all of last year. Great solid bindings, rode them hard. I'm 5'9 140. Yesterday I was up riding and my toe peice completely snapped off. So yes the complaints about the toe peice are true. However marker is realigning with their customer service and warrantied them! Whoo hoo. However (to whoever is still looking at bindings) if you have the money I would go with Fks/pivot or even just upgrade to jesters/dukes. You have all metal in bot toe and heal, the bindings ride amazing, and they'll last twice as long. I still recommend griffs for the smaller guys and those who don't put alot of stress on their bindings, but for all the rest of you, id go with one of the other.
Nov 25 2010 11:36AM
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