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College football--Auburn is screwed

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ATLskier
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If anyone has been following college football, you prob know of the allegations of cam newton being ineligible for receiving 200k from Auburn, but theres a bunch of new information coming out and the situation looks a lot bigger than cam newton.

If the below link is true, auburn will prob face penalties worse than USC and maybe as bad as SMU. a good bit of what is posted in the thread has been gathered from unconfirmed sources, but there are a good bit of facts there showing connections between Auburns board of trustees, the athletic department and corrupt banks and casinos. Cam just happens to be in the middle of a pay for play scheme. The FBI has been investigating separate issues from auburn for a while, but the auburn stuff is connected. I predict there will be a complete shit storm within the next week, or next month about this.

http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt




Sparknotes...Auburns board of trustees is essentially like the mob laundering money from casinos and corrupt banks and using that money in a pay for play scheme to recruit players like cam newton. They along with cam newton will get fucked.
Nov 18 2010 7:29PM
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bootleg_BEN
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YAY, i dont like auburn
Nov 18 2010 7:35PM
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mason-
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Cam Newton is a hell of a football player, and so exciting to watch. It's really a shame he had to get involved in all of this pay to play nonsense. I mean, I know it's not yet confirmed blah blah blah, but i dont see how he couldnt have taken any money, especially because even his father was "asking for money."

Cam Newton, you break my heart.

P.S. be on the look out for aaron murray. I think he's gonna be the next big star
Nov 18 2010 7:38PM
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smooticus
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Wait who would play oregon is auburn is out
Nov 18 2010 8:16PM
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Totes_Magotes
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^TCU. They're much better than Auburn.... maybe not better than Cam Newton... but definitely better than Auburn
Nov 18 2010 8:20PM
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bootleg_BEN
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BSU?
Nov 18 2010 8:20PM
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nellyyy
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Having read the article, it's pretty easy to dismiss a lot of the validity and integrity of the article purely based on how poorly written it is.
Nov 18 2010 8:33PM
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ATLskier
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eh, auburn doesnt have a good defense. I hope tcu and boise both lose, cause I dont think either deserves the shot. Both should just go independent in football and do what notre dame does. Then they could actually play teams outside of a high school conference. on the other hand, i wouldnt mind seeing all the sec fans getting pissed off about one of their one loss teams not making it.
Nov 18 2010 8:53PM
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Armanzoid
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Maybe if the NCAA let the kids make money off their talent instead of keeping them and not allowing them to promote themselves, this wouldn't happen. Half of these kids who do well in college don't really make it in the NFL, they should be allowed to make their money and have something to fall back on in case they blow out their knee in the bigs. Instead the NCAA whores out college football by their rules, allowing them to do anything they want, and heavily penalize the players for making money off their talent.

All the bowls have sponsors, and every presume show and show even partially connected with a game is sponsored. They advertise that game to hell, and the major gainers are the schools and NCAA, while the players get fucked. According to Forbes, College Football is a 2 Billion dollar industry, and the workhorses that bring in the 2 billion, the players, don't see a fucking cent. This shit will keep happening until they give the players the same freedoms they give themselves.
Nov 18 2010 9:00PM
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bootleg_BEN
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You know how many player there are in college footall versus the NFL. That is alot of money.
Nov 18 2010 9:02PM
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bootleg_BEN
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Oregon BSU is always a good game.^
Nov 18 2010 9:04PM
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mason-
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thats what the college education they are getting is for.

Add up the scholarship money, while its no nfl money, they are still getting an education for free
Nov 18 2010 9:07PM
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bootleg_BEN
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^ Ya sorry, but paying college students to play football is one of the stupidest things i have ever heard.
Nov 18 2010 9:10PM
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Chompo.
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this is so true...
Nov 18 2010 9:14PM
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Armanzoid
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I am not saying every player should have a salary, that is exactly what the scholarship is for, but whoever is popular enough to land sponsorship deals, should be allowed those deals. Otherwise the school and the NCAA are the only ones making money off of that success. The NCAA is allowed to sponsor and promote the hell out of every bowl game and all the other big games through the season, a successful player should be allowed to get a Nike deal or make some TV commercial at least. Reggie Bush might have set records and all, but all players like that get is a pat on the head and a shiny trophy while the school and NCAA use his success and name to market themselves further.

Nov 18 2010 9:19PM
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nellyyy
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The NCAA should stand up against things like this and keep college football as something that's still athletics in its purest form. Save all of the bullshit and backdoor deals like this for the NFL.
Nov 18 2010 9:55PM
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ATLskier
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the ncaa allowing schools to pay for players will absolutely kill college football. At most schools, they do not make money off athletic programs and even football programs. Tell me indiana makes money off its program...doubt that.

Other programs use that money to fund other atletic programs. That allows other students to actually go to school. Things like soccer programs would not happen without the money from football.

It would kill college football as it would just go to semi pro ball, where people do it for money, not for their school, and not for an education.

It would also kill tons of programs. There would be tons of programs that couldnt afford to pay players. They would just do terribly every year, or they would just pull the plug on the programs. Enjoy having paid players and you would only have these schools that would have a chance at winning: Alabama, Auburn(if they could escape this) Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, Miami, Clemson, FSU Virginia tech, and possibly Wisconsin, USCe, Mississippi, georgia tech, ucla, wvu, and a few others.

Nov 18 2010 10:08PM
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scratchproteen
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I hope the championship game is BSU vs. Oregon it would be such a high scoring game two explosive offenses.

So I'm rooting for bama to beat Auburn this weekend.
Nov 18 2010 10:10PM
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Armanzoid
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I don't think anyone ever reads what I say, so I'll sparknotes it:

No salary for any college player, that is what scholarships are for. But allow players to take sponsorship deals from companies like Nike or Reebok like the NCAA takes sponsorship for all it's bowl games and the Schools take sponsorships for their programs. By the NCAA not allowing kids to do this, they reap in all the money from their talent and hard work.
Nov 18 2010 10:14PM
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ATLskier
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thats because teams already have sponsors. I guess if they want to put them in commercials for other products, it could work. Russell Athletic is the main sponsor/athletic supplier of Georgia Tech. If Nike wants to sponsor someone, they arent gonna come to tech, if they were to go somewhere you cant have a nike athlete at an adidas school. It could produce a bunch of messy situations.

the point is. Players in football are student athletes. Not athlete students, which unfortunately is what they are in most of the SEC.
Nov 18 2010 10:51PM
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californiagrown
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football and basketball are the main sources of income for universities, whether directly through ticket and merchandise sales, or indirectly through booster money.

if any of you have ever known a big time college player you'll know that they are completely convinced that they are the GOAT and the next big thing. they don't take their free seriously, and many times end up fucked. if we really want to help the student athletes we would enforce a minimum 3.0 GPA to play. most are taking bullshit majors and classes as well, there are exceptions but most take the easiest classes possible with no regard for how that will help them in the future
Nov 19 2010 12:08AM
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49566738265
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Ya like maybe in exchange for playing football they could get a free $100,000 education and lodging deal.
Nov 19 2010 1:18AM
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49566738265
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And BSU plays the most piss poor schedule I've ever seen.  Who wouldn't run up the score on cupcake teams?  The only ranked teams they ever played have like 5 losses now, and the best team they played was out of the ACC (and a win over VT isn't much to be impressed about this year).

Oregon, TCU, and Auburn are all some seriously legit football teams this year.  TCU's defense is insane and all 3 have powerhouse offenses.  Ya BSU scores lots of points, blah, blah, blah....Georgia shuts out shitty teams too and they are having a tough year.  Play someone real and get rid of that joke of a football field.
Nov 19 2010 1:24AM
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bootleg_BEN
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Oregon and TCU also have pretty cake schedules. BSU does face easy teams, but it does not deny the fact that they try to schedule hard team its just hard for them to do with their conference and teams not wanting to play them.

But Oregon and TCU do not have hard schedules either. Auburn though has a tough schedule.
Nov 19 2010 2:17AM
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ATLskier
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seriously.

Oregon's is much harder than TCU and BSU.

TCU's is weak. Lets examine some schedules here

First Oregon
Not the greatest. But they beat Stanford, who is ranked 6th. They also beat USC. They killed Tenn which LSU was super lucky to beat.

TCU
Utah, Air force and baylor are the only decent teams theyve played. If you include oregon state as another big team, youre an idiot. Oregon state lost to washington state and will not be bowl illegible by the end of the season. Its laughable they were ranked. Both tcu and bsu barely beat them. Baylor is okay. Middle of the road big 12 team that hasn't beaten anyone special (texas sucks. They lost to iowa state). Air force is nothing to write home about either. Utah got destroyed by Notre dame, whos lost to tulsa and navy, and will barely make a bowl.

BSU
va tech. They are actually decent. But they lost to jmu, which is super sad. yup, theyve played va tech. Well see how they do against nevada.

Auburns def had the tougher schedule out of them.

But in no way do tcu or bsu have a tougher schedule than any regular conference team. They play maybe 3 tough teams a year (first game of the season, 1 or 2 in the middle, and the bowl), so they play cupcake teams the rest of the time. They have tons of time to prepare for big games and their bowls.

Look at a team like bama, who since the usce game, all of their opponents had a bye week before playing them. Even as shitty as the acc is this year, every team has to go out and play at the very least average teams every week. boise and tcu dont. its
Nov 19 2010 3:11AM
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scratchproteen
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Its all a load of crap anyways.

BSU and TCU never get the chance to play the big schools, because the big schools are pussies to put them on the schedule. BSU has tried numerous times to get top ranked teams on the schedule but nobody wants to go their and play.
Nov 19 2010 4:58AM
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hoodratz47
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shit.... that sucks. im a duck fan , and i cannot deny that Cam is a fucking stud!
Nov 19 2010 6:02AM
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parkskier
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I said it in another thread but I'll say it here too. Nebraska wanted to take BSU up on that offer, but BSU demanded Nebraska pay 1 million dollars and Nebraska didn't want to do that. See usually non-AQ teams get money from the big schools that schedule them early in the season (like when Ohio State plays Eastern Michigan, Florida plays Miami (OH), etc) because they know that they are just on their to provide the big schools with an easy warm up to the season and therefore get compensation for the beating they take. Well, BSU is trying to pull that crap too when they are a legitimate National Champion contender and therefore have a very real shot of beating someone like Nebraska. So if BSU wants to be treated as a National Champion contender they better stop pulling the little non-AQ school card when trying to get a big opponent to play them.

/Rant
Nov 19 2010 8:01AM
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DockEllis
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College football is more profitable than you might think, check out this article about the amount of money schools made off their football programs in 08/09. 61 of the 66 automatic qualifying BCS schools turned a profit (Indiana's revenue was 8.99 million dollars).

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/06/30/for-longhorns-money-grows-on-football-program-instead-of-trees/

I'm not saying that college football players deserve a big salary or anything, but think about it, these kids are full time students as well as football players. They do not have nearly enough time to hold jobs. Sure they are getting a free tuition and lodging, but they are not getting any kind of walking around money to go out with their friends, take girls out, etc. I think they should be compensated somehow.
Nov 19 2010 9:02AM
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Armanzoid
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They are using them though, just because they give him a scholarship doesn't mean they own him. Those stats belong to the players, and when they play poorly or get hurt, they will lose their scholarship as well. While the going is good, they should be allowed to make a buck, because who knows what will happen to them.

Honestly, the NCAA are fucking geniuses in terms of making money. They make rules to not allow athletes endorsements of any kind, while they do nothing but get endorsements. They totally take out any competition they can have from star players. A college player of Reggie Bush's caliber could make make millons, but local college stars could also do small commercials for a car dealership can make a little something to pad the savings account. Who does endorsements by players hurt? Nobody except the profits of the NCAA.
Nov 19 2010 11:40AM
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Mr.Panda
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Know where that take girls out money comes from? The money their parents had saved up for tuition.
Nov 19 2010 11:52AM
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DockEllis
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That is very true for a lot of the players I'm sure, but a lot of them don't come from the best of backgrounds and don't have that privilege.
Nov 19 2010 12:42PM
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Mr.Panda
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I realize that but most of the guys that get the full scholarships were going to go to college whether they got one or not.
Nov 19 2010 12:47PM
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DockEllis
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I totally agree with you, I just don't see why it would be a such a huge problem if the schools paid these kids a couple hundred dollars a week or so for all of the time they put in (nothing outrageous, just what the average college kid would make working a part time job). The majority of these schools are pulling in millions of dollars a year off these players.
Nov 19 2010 12:52PM
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Mr.Panda
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I think the reason none of these kids get paid is because technically in the old days you went to school for, well the school first and played football, basketball, wrestling, or whatever second.

Nowadays with how big College Football has gotten it is completely the opposite.

Like, look at the Army, Navy, and Air Force teams.. to my knowledge not many of those guys are on scholarships and next to NONE ever play in the pros... they all go off to serve in the military. To my knowledge that is how it used to be except for the select few that would get drafted or picked up as non-drafted free agents.


The problem stems from people like me or most likely anyone on NS that is in college for school whose parents go "my kid is taking 20 credits and has no free time can you pay them?".. that's the problem the colleges would run into I think.
Nov 19 2010 12:57PM
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DockEllis
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Excellent point...paying them may not be the answer I suppose, it just blows for those kids from impoverished areas who don't have time to have a job when their schools are making bank of the time and effort they put into their programs. But I guess the system has worked fine for the most part as it is.
Nov 19 2010 1:07PM
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ATLskier
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Its not like indiana is 8 million dollars richer and they are swimming in money. It costs a lot of money to have all of the other sports teams. Athletic departments have to pay money not to have other sports teams. football has allowed people, like my sister, to get an athletic scholarship to a good school and have a free education we could otherwise not afford. She was a starting athlete, broke tons of records, still held a job and had really good grades. I know not everybody can do this, but if you pay football players, you have to pay everybody else. That is on top of the money that already goes to programs. Thats on top of transportation to away games (both buses and flying), training facilities, game facilities, coaches, per diem, everything. Other sports programs cant hold themselves up, and are typically free to attend. Whos gonna pay to watch a soccer game between UGA and kentucky?


As I said before, they should be students first, athletes second. Paying any player in any sport suggests the opposite and makes college athletics just a low level semi pro athletic club.
Nov 19 2010 1:10PM
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ATLskier
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anyways, the real point of the thread is that auburn is fucked.

New things are starting to leak today, but this entire shitstorm will eventually go down on auburn. It might take awhile though, with the rest of the investigation with teh ncaa and the fbi. I just hope its done before the NCS NC game.
Nov 19 2010 1:11PM
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Mr.Panda
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While I agree initially it's gonna kind of suck for those from poorer areas but generally those people are intent on getting a degree so they can have a good paying job after school is over.

Generally those from impoverished areas are the ones with their shit together who are on the Dean's List as well as Academic and Athletic All Americans.
Nov 19 2010 1:20PM
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