100 Reasons Why Evolution is Stupid

As said in another post,

no one can explain where God came from...the Bible was written so that you have to have faith....it has to be a choice, God isnt going to force believing in Him on you, that's not how he works...No one can prove that God exists, but if you have an open mind and look at His creation, you will realize we are here for a purpose instead of by chance...

There are some interesting pointers to massive and abrupt changes in sea level however. Theres a shit ton of creationist mumbo jumbo around it, but theres actually been some scientific research done on the possibility of antediluvian civilizations. During the end of the last ice age, its very possible that the ice caps melted into huge glacier dammed lakes, much like the Missoula flood that very quickly sculpted much of WA and OR. As massive amounts of water are unleashed, the earth wobbles on its axis, once squished areas of the crust are suddenly released and pop outwards (literally, the crust of the earth sits on liquid), and sea level suddenly rises. Theres evidence for three separate global flooding events, where sea level changed 20+ feet very very quickly. If you look at where humans like to build cities today, then most of the very very old archeological sites are far off the current coasts and under feet of water.

Helping this theory of course are the crazy creationists, who would do anything to prove a flood that MUST have been created by the lord, but behind every myth and tradition, there is a little bit of fact. Would also help explain why most every culture has some sort of "massive flooding" myth. And some unusual rock formations off the Indian and Japanese coasts.

STOP CALLING GOD "HE".

If you affect something and that affect brings a change never seen before to something doesn't that then mean that you've created something?

God created in the sense that it sparked the fire, if you will, that is evoltuion, etc. etc. etc.

Who are you to say?

To say that you know any more about the nature of God and exactly what form God takes is just as arrogant as calling God "He."

And what's more it is a very typical argument used by people who can't stay on topic. I.E. 90% of the internet.

One thing that I find interesting is people's inability to leave well enough alone.

If evolution and spontaneous generation are such airtight theories, then why is it a big deal if creation and/or intelligent design are taught as the counter theory and let kids decide for themselves?

Likewise, if creation is such an all answering question to everything, why have evolutionist groups worked so hard to stamp out its propagation through the public school system?

News flash folks. NOBODY was there at the beginning, regardless of whose story you believe. NOBODY knows.

Unless a person comes to you genuinely seeking another path, the likelihood of changing either side's mind on the subject is not approximately, but precisely, zero.

Alright, pushing aside the very grey definition of creating, why this need for having something at all , or 'it', as you like to call to. To start some chain reaction or do anything in any way shape or form to affect the happenings on this world and others?

Why can't it just happen because that's what happens over billions of years, why this need for this 'it'?

I dunno dude.

this is exactly what i was thinking. he shows no understanding of evolutionary theory. if you're going to argue against something, at least understand the other side.

How dare you impress your view of God on me.

That is an incredibly intolerant, obnoxious, narrow minded, and non-intellectual thing to do.

And what's more, if God is powerful enough even to give the universe the little spark that it needed to get going, I'm pretty sure that God could assume whatever form was necessary to effectively communicate with you.

Hence Jesus, Muhammad, Zoroaster, etc.

you jump around a fuck load, i'm going to bed after this post.

It sounds as if you follow without question, and with a reason of which you are unsure of.

There is no problem in believing in what you want to believe in, and I have no problem in people believing in something that lets them live good lives. (again, where the fuck did that come from).

The thing that's annoying is the idea that the only way to live a good life is through some sort of religion. And that without religion we'd all be crazed maniacs running and killing people in the streets.

IMHO religions have had there time, and now it's time for the age of reason to take over. It's time for the inner child to break out and keep asking why, until we cannot dig deeper. Buddhism can come too.

Nighty night NS.

this is a really interesting thread, a lot of enjoyable vids. +k to all

I do jump around quite a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni_Monument

Thats dope!

or shirahama:

I actually listened to the whole thing while doing homework. I am a second year geology/biology student, and listening to this was pretty amusing. I am not sure if he even knows what science is when he says "that's not science."

You can believe what you want. In biology class though, you should be taught biology. Evolution is a fundamental principle of biology. If you don't want to be taught about evolution, don't take biology. If you don't want to be taught about religion, don't take religion.

I'm not a smug, anti-religious person though. I lived with two last year. There are plenty of smart Christians out there, and plenty of stupid atheists (I lived with two last year!)

OH GOD PLEASE FUCK OFF.

Are you fucking kidding me? What the fuck sort of argument is this?


If gravity is such an airtight theory, why not teach the theory of the world being placed on top of a turtles back too? NO. Teach creationism in mythology, not as a fucking science. There is NO science backing creationism, therefore it does not belong in a science classroom you ignorant fuck.

What the fuck? People have fought to stamp it out because people want it taught as science when it is quite plainly religious bullshit that should have no place in a public school.
GTFO.

stupid religious fucks

i don't always drink beer...

Lulz.

I used to get mad when you posted, then I started to more carefully evaluate most of what you say, and I realized that you are the biggest troll in NSG.

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so. You were IP banned for how long exactly?

You hide behind a cloak of "intellectualism" and yet you absolutely refuse to even consider someone else's viewpoint as being remotely valid, and you just straight up said that you have no interest in promoting the exchange of ideas in our school systems.

If you actually bothered to watch those videos, which I'm sure you didn't, you would have seen how most Christians believe, myself included.

The fact of the matter is that Creation and Evolution are two unproven theories to explain the same thing. And don't even TRY to make the argument that the entire chain of evolutionary theory is proven, because we all know it's not.

Well scratch that. Those of us who have bothered to educate ourselves about both theories know that it hasn't been proven. You believe whatever you're told, so you think it is.

I've chosen my theory. You've chosen yours. We can both make claims left and right, but the fact of the matter is that neither one of us had an observer there at the beginning, whatever the beginning looked like.

My theory could be wrong, and it would cost me nothing. Every teacher, boss, friend, and neighbor you talk to after I'm dead, with admittedly a few exceptions, would say that I was a Christian who knew what he believed and lived his life to reflect that. They would call me a leader, a friend, and would say that the world was generally a better place because of my belief in God and the things it motivated me to do.

So what exactly does your theory promote you to do? How are you living out the consequences of your beliefs in a way that is helpful to society?

If your presence on NSG is any indication, you are nothing more than a close-minded parasite with very little desire to even respect the views of a fellow human being who, by most, if not all, empirical and "scientific" measurements of intelligence, is probably a lot smarter than you.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PROVEN THEORY YOU FUCKING CUNT.

Holy fuck i am so mad right now.





THERE IS NO SCIENCE BEHIND CREATIONISM. NONE. Point to ONE FUCKING PIECE of evidence published in any form of scientific journal that supports creationism? YOU CANT. It doesn't fucking exist. All creationists can do is try to poke holes in evolutionary theory, thinking that by doing so, they somehow are proving creationism. Even if evolution were completely false, that still would not give any credence to creationism.

I don't give two fucks about how nice a person you are because you believe in fairytales. Its NOT TRUE. You are WRONG. This isn't about God now, its simply about good science. There is no evidence to support your theory. There is abundant evidence to support evolution.

Making ad hominem attacks does not help your cause by the way. You have yet to provide any evidence to support your cause, appart from referencing complete bullshit videos which I have in fact watched several of. They are laughable attempts at disinformation.

I do not pretend to be a fucking genius, it doesn't take one to see how incredibly stupid creationism is.






read these article and then get back to me please:
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/evo_science.html

Thats fiction. A religion is a belief, and a faith. Science is not religion becuase it is testable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

The statement "evolution is both a theory and a fact" is often seen in biological literature.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] Evolution is a "theory" in the scientific sense of the term "theory"; it is an established scientific model that explains observations and makes predictions through mechanisms such as natural selection.

When scientists say "evolution is a fact", they are using one of two meanings of the word "fact". One meaning is empirical: evolution can be observed through changes in allele frequencies or traits of a population over successive generations.

Another way "fact" is used is to refer to a certain kind of theory, one that has been so powerful and productive for such a long time that it is universally accepted by scientists. When scientists say evolution is a fact in this sense, they mean it is a fact that all living organisms have descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) [8] even though this cannot be directly observed. This implies more tangibly that it is a fact that humans share a common ancestor with other primates.

inb4 ololol wikipedia sucks.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_02

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_04

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_09

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_12

Now shut the fuck up.

inb4 you point out a bunch of typos i made in my rage-fueled rant without actually adressing any of the points i made, or reading any of the articles i posted.

also: http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm

lol, evolution has been proven sooooo hard, theists are the only ones who try to poke holes in it, and all they can say is "oh ya, have you seen every animal ever?? didn't think so"

also, don't even try "its just "the theory" of evolution right?' because you lose 10 cred points right there. its still a scientific fact, get learned.

I shall repeat myself again.....

Haydron Collider....

It will put this shit to bed once and for all.

Haven't you heard about the Dover trial?

Here's a quick reminder: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/ns/technology_and_science-science

it's been PROVEN that IT is just a diguised, a cover, for creationism... And it's been PROVEN that it comes from butthurt fondamentalist christians who cannot process that their views have nothing to do next to evolution in a science class. DEAL WITH IT.

It's been ruled by a federal judge for fuck sake... And it was an oerwhelming beatdown, it wasn't even close.

lul. he has no concept of what a religion actually is then.

Heroin is bad for you. This is an airtight theory. Why is it a big deal for people to take heroin? Why not just let them decide for themselves?

ZacMan1987 has become Newschoolers biggest troll by paying attention to past trolls...

Well at least i've finally proven that you're a troll.

LOL no.

I just find your total and complete inability to let someone have beliefs that are different than yours tiresome.

As soon as you show up in a thread, there is no longer any point in trying to discuss anything with anyone because you troll the shit out of it hating on everyone who does not agree with you.

And no, I'm not butthurt. You are just completely impossible to discuss anything with, because basic reasoning and common sense escape you.

If I am so stupid, then just go away. Leave me to my stupidity and let me prove myself to be stupid. If we all came from nothing and are all going to nothing, then it really shouldn't matter what I think should it?

But for some reason that I can't fathom, it bothers you that I hold beliefs that are so different from yours. I would tell you from scripture why that is, but you don't believe in the Bible, so whatever.

And don't come at me with "I do it out of social responsibility because religion is oppressive" because the last time I checked, this is the 20th century, and the Western Hemisphere, and people don't get away with that any more. 

In other words, you just lost badly the argument and you fall back behind the usual: "well it's my belief and  if you can't agree with it, then I won't talk anymore."

Seriously tho, if you want to believe in a fary tale, it's your problem and I'll respect it.. But on the matter of ID being a science, a theory like Evolution that should have its place in class rooms, you've just got destroyed and shouldn't come up with it anymore.

I never said ID was science. I said that evolution and creation are both unproven theories. You are putting words in my mouth. State where I said my belief is scientific? Show me where I said that? My belief requires faith. Faith which is backed up by my interpretations of historical records, manifesting themselves in the Earth, and in the historical record of the Bible, which is the single most printed resource on the face of the planet. Now I know that in spite of this fact, you don't believe the Bible, so I'll just leave that where it is. My belief in God is "unscientific," however, it is NOT unsubstantiated by historical record.

And I'll correct myself. The ORIGIN of species is unproven.

Adaptation and genetic diversity is a proven fact. We can argue all day about how that diversification came about. I wouldn't bother trying to debate that genetic diversity exists, because it's obvious by examining nature that there are numerous different species and also physical variations within organisms of each species.

Do I believe that, as the original videos said, that Wolves, Coyotes, and German Shepherds have a common ancestor? Yes. Do I believe that humans have the same common ancestor over a long enough lineage? No.

If you believe that evolutionary biologists have a VIABLE or TESTABLE hypothesis for the origin of life, I.E. from no Milky Way to a Milky Way to an inhabitable Earth to living things on the Earth, then you are sadly mistaken.

And for the record, you are taught things all the time which are historical record which you accept as fact.

Prove to me, without a history book, that the Civil War occurred.

You know it occurred because it is recorded history. You accept it as a fact.

Prove to me that Troy existed. For a long time, the city of Troy was assumed to be a myth. It was found. It went from a place in ancient mythology to being a known fact.

Much of the Bible is set in,l and mentions places that we can go back to today and see. it is a historical record, and an extremely reliable one at that.

Can we locate and prove its accuracy back to In The Beginning God created the heavens and the earth? No. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

By that standard, you're correct. ID should not be taught as a science. It should be taught as a historically based account of how the origins of species came to be, in a historical context, as an alternate explanation for the origins of the universe. And let people decide for themselves what they want to believe.

My children will learn equally about both belief systems, and will be free to choose whether they will believe one, the other, or a combination of the two.

The thing is, its not as if we both have different beleifs on what type of government is best or something subjective like that. Evolution is considered a fact by 99% of biologists (obviously im pulling that out of my ass, but i'm sure its something like that), it is a scientific theory backed up by a plethora of evidence that is not disputable.
Creationism is a myth from a 2000 year old book with NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE backing it. Thats where the issue arises. I couldn't give a shit if you believe in God, its your choice, its an irrational belief in my opinion but i can't prove that there isn't a god, so go for it. However, i CAN prove that evolution fully explains the diversity of life on earth.

Evolution does not concern itself with the formation of the universe, formation of galaxies, or how life first arose on earth. However, it does explain thoughroughly the diversity of life on earth today and how it came to be from very basic life forms.

NO EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST CLAIMS THEY HAVE A VIABLE TESTABLE HYPOTHESIS FOR THE ORIGIN OF LIFE. THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION.



There is no such thing as micro and macro evolution. You can search those terms in any scientific journal and nothing will come up. There is no difference between the two. 'Macro' evolution is just micro evolution over a longer time period. Obviously if you believe that the earth is 6000 years old, then you will not agree with evolution... however, if that is the case, you are way too far gone and are simply ignoring solid evidence to the contrary because it disagrees with your belief.


The major difference here is that your "theory" is not backed up by any scientific evidence, making it an incredibly weak theory. Evolution is backed up by an incredible amount of evidence, making it a strong theory. THERE ARE NO PROVEN THEORIES. Gravity is not a proven theory. Quantum mechanics is not a proven theory. Cell theory is not a proven theory. But they are all accepted theories, just like evolution, because the evidence backs them all up, and they are yet to be proven to be false.

"In the sciences, a scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.[1]"

Your understanding of what a scientific theory is seems to be lacking.



When you say that you don't believe that humans share a common ancestor with the great apes, why is this? Have you looked at the evidence that supports this theory? Do you simply ignore it because you like to think you're special?
Perhaps you should browse this wikipedia article and then get back to me on the parts that you don't agree with... Please note that if you have a problem with wikipedia as a source, you can click the footnote numbers and view the source that the information came from. I think they are all quite reputable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent






So please, stop talking about the origins of life... that is not evolution.
Stop talking about proven theories... there are no such thing.

I'll ask again because you still haven't answered my question: Why do you care what I believe at all?

It doesn't affect you in. the. least.

That's what I still don't understand.

You continuously troll these threads and are obnoxious and infantile.

Your theory is "scientific" and mine is based solely in historical record.

It still doesn't explain your inability to leave people alone who believe differently than yourself.

It's sad and pathetic.

someone post a bunch of pictures of half naked men and ruin this thread even more

Because its people like you that are responsible for ridiculous amount of bullshit disinformation being spread in the US and elsewhere. I find it abhorrent that people can teach children this shit as an alternative to a scientific fact. Its bullshit, its all complete bullshit, and the fact that people can actually argue to have this taught in schools is ridiculous.
The fact that "faith" is thought of as equal to logic and reason and evidence by some people is just mind-boggling to me, and is responsible for the US having an incredibly ignorant population who are so very sceptical of science.


I am not "trolling", if anyone is trolling it is you. I am simply debating you on these issues, even though you refuse to acknowledge the other side of the argument and insist on remaining entrenched in your bullshit archaic beliefs.

Historical record? Fuck off. The bible is fiction. Get over it and look at the evidence.


Just read the fucking wikipedia article on it for fucks sake, it will take you 10 minutes.

Essentially, if there was a whole movement going around where people were trying to claim that Jesus was a gay racist paedophile and have that taught in schools, you would probably have an issue with that...

dude just stop.

Oh you mean this bad boy?

It is not a big deal if intelligent design is taught in a religion class. The man in this video was upset that students were being taught this stuff in Biology. These textbooks were all Biology and Physical Geo textbooks. Intelligent design isn't taught in biology because it is not biology. Just like catastrophism (in a traditional sense) isn't taught in earth sciences.

If Intelligent design was to be added to biology textbooks, should we then be adding the big bang theory to the bible?

Basically, Religion and the Natural Sciences are two completely different things, and should remain that way.

You can't disprove harry potter. Nor can you prove it.

I believe in SKI