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8: The Mormon Proposition

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Shreddysaurus
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Oct 26 2010 1:44AM
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Big_Spence
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you have brought AIDS into this already extremely gay thread.
Oct 26 2010 5:31PM
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Can we just get a mod to delete this thread its going no where really quick.
Oct 26 2010 5:35PM
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Big_Spence
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hahahahahaha.
Oct 26 2010 5:40PM
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RubberSoul
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i'm calm, im just saying youre still missing the point. i said "than thousands of [hetero] fucks who get married every day." are there only thousands of people in this country? no. i never claimed gay couples are better or better at following the rules than all straight couples.

and i never even mentioned gays not breaking the rules the same way straight ones do. what youre not understanding is my comment was nothing more than a reply to the faulty argument "gays (in and of themselves) ruin the sanctity of marriage." that's all i said. now move on
Oct 26 2010 5:43PM
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RubberSoul
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i already addressed this. how sad that i can't RESPECT someone's opinion when it's based on nothing but bigotry, ignorance, and sometimes religion, and it directly causes people to stop loving, healthy couples from getting the benefits theyre entitled to. if i've hurt someone's feelings by getting on their case for this i don't feel the slightest bit bad about it.

sorry if i have no respect for oppressive idiots
Oct 26 2010 5:48PM
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RubberSoul
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what are you still doing here? pretty sure you bowed out a while back
Oct 26 2010 5:48PM
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Big_Spence
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1. bigotry is a fact of life. get the fuck over it.
2. i'm not ignorant. people want to be gay, i get that. you can be gay, you just can't get married. get the fuck over it.
3. stop loving? i never asked anyone to stop loving anyone. keep on being gay, homosexual community.
4. healthy couples? really? i'm not even going to continue that point.
5. it would not be difficult for the Government to set up legal documents allowing these couples "to be able to make medical decisions for their partner, to visit their partner in the hospital or prison, to have crime victim recovery benefits, etc" but they do not deserve tax breaks. why might you ask? because they're not married and shouldn't be. get the fuck over it.
6. good. don't feel bad for sharing your opinion. i don't feel bad for listening to yours and i hold anything against you for it. just different strokes for different folks i suppose.
Oct 26 2010 5:54PM
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Big_Spence
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lololololol wrong again; i went to work dick munch.


i'm just shocked you were able to take a break from slamming all that puss to respond to this thread so many times.
Oct 26 2010 5:55PM
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thesheik
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i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt about this one and assume you were meaning something other than the obvious.


if not, wow. just wow. you are that impressive combination of stupidity and asininity that you only get a chance to laugh at once in a while.
Oct 26 2010 5:59PM
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Shreddysaurus
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It's not that he doesn't have faith in his religion, or that he did it so that people wouldn't look down upon him. He went so that his family wouldn't be looked down upon in their community. And by community I don't mean the town they live in, but the people they see or deal with everyday.

Im sure it wouldn't have been horrible by any means. Im just saying he went to avoid his parents being cause any emotional stress.

Don't get me wrong Im not a mormon hater, the majority of my friends are mormon and every girl I have ever dated was part of the LDS church. Alot of good comes from the mormon religion. I wish americas family values was as good as an LDS families.
Oct 26 2010 6:01PM
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Big_Spence
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out of those 6 points that was the one you were most offended by?
jesus this is going downhill.
Oct 26 2010 6:04PM
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thesheik
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sorry, specifically number 1, although i'd take issue with all of them as arguments against gay marriage. what were you going for with that?
Oct 26 2010 6:07PM
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Big_Spence
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well judging by point #3 i was trying to say about the most outlandish things i could.
Oct 26 2010 6:08PM
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Shreddysaurus
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If this thread is going downhill your the leading revolt
Oct 26 2010 6:08PM
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wasatch_rat
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because incest greatly increases the risks of genetic diseases for the offspring. there, you just lost that argument.

the only argument against gay marriage that holds any water in my opinion is the question about adoption. would a gay couple be able to raise a child as well as a straight couple? it has been shown that kids who grow up without a father/mother do struggle in some ways. however, given the number of children who grow up with single parents anyway, i don't see how gay parents could possibly be worse.

gay marriage is going to be legal in this country, probably within the next 50 years too. its time that people accept it, and acknowledge that WHEN gay people start getting married it won't affect their life at all. right now we have a group of people being severely discriminated against, and the other side will be hardly affected if we stop that discrimination.
Oct 26 2010 6:09PM
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SteevJee
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It's a BIG fucking deal in my neighborhood if you don't go on a mission i'll tell you that much. As you say, the pressure does not just get pushed on the prospective missionary, but also his entire family. I can say with full confidence that 75% of kids in the Salt Lake Valley go on a mission because it's what is expected of them. Props to the kids that have enough balls and self-confidence to figure it out themselves, and give it some time.
Oct 26 2010 6:10PM
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thesheik
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huh? what does #3 have to do with your penchant for making stupid comments, it was actually a semi-valid beef with his post, despite not being at all relevant to gay marriage
Oct 26 2010 6:12PM
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RubberSoul
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3. learn to read-- "to stop loving, healthy couples.." is a verb phrase. didnt claim you were trying to "stop loving"
1, 2, 4, 5- "get over it" is not an argument. in our lifetimes this shit will change hopefully and ignorant people like you will die out. and you DID get pissy when i "wouldnt allow your opinion" or whatever this crybaby shit you guys are pulling is trying to say


and i'm at work bro. if you want to keep the ad hominem shit going (the pussy comment was simply an aggressive response to the age-old "oh you must be gay if youre defending gay marriage" BS), i could say im surprised you could take a break from being a professional idiot on the internet/tinychat to write down pure, unadulterated ignorance that manifests itself as an impediment to loving couples having the benefits they deserve. i'm sure you wouldnt say "different strokes for different folks" if this argument was about you not being able to marry whoever you fall in love with eventually
Oct 26 2010 6:13PM
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powderdrunkie
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totally like what you have to say.

the problem lies mostly with judgemental members, it's too bad that a lot of them don't respect the lives and choices of others. It's too bad that kids think they are forced to go on a mission, even if they are not into it. It takes a ton of dedication and it is a HUGE decision. not to mention it costs over $9,000. But if you are not 100% emotionally for it you should not serve, and people should respect that. But nobody's perfect.

Oct 26 2010 6:13PM
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thesheik
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yeah, if you're gonna argue ad hominem at least do it right.


call the person a fucktard.
Oct 26 2010 6:14PM
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RubberSoul
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all of that was spot on


i'm sorry if ive pissed anyone off in this thread, especially those on my side of the argument, but i simply have no patience for oppression like this fueled by little more than ignorance and bias. you can say i'm mad but you'd be mad too if you'd recognize that opinions like those of people in this thread were stopping you from marrying the person you love
Oct 26 2010 6:16PM
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Shreddysaurus
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Oct 26 2010 6:16PM
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Big_Spence
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okay, let me sum up this thread for you:


my first post was serious, i don't think gays should get married. that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it. to be honest i have no proof that it should remain illegal, nor do i really care all that much, i was just bored last night and in the mood to argue.

i feel that homosexuality is wrong. would i ever stand up to a gay person and tell them that? fuck no. it's their life and i think they should do everything within the confines of the law to make themselves happy.
Oct 26 2010 6:16PM
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RubberSoul
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but see that's the problem, opinions are all good but this discussion is all ABOUT what is "within the confines of the law"
Oct 26 2010 6:18PM
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Big_Spence
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it's very clear what is within the confines of the law. a man marrying a woman and vice versa.






this is my last post in here. going to work again and deleting it from my threads.
Oct 26 2010 6:21PM
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Arabian.
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Slavery was well within the confines of the law, too, you fuckwit.
Oct 26 2010 6:23PM
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Shreddysaurus
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Usually, in an educated world, people back their opinions up with something other than just cause. which is all you have left to say being you have tried everything else.


And FYI I did not post this trailer for it to turn into a shit storm about gays and mormons, It is a great documentary to watch and I feel everyone needs to see this, except for Big_Spence. Hes too busy pounding pussy and not giving a fuck like a badass.
Oct 26 2010 6:24PM
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Big_Spence
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that would actually be rubbersoul. i didn't say anything about that ever, sorry to shoot holes in your witty comment.
Oct 26 2010 6:26PM
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IceCreamer
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Exactly, just because something is traditional does not make it ethically correct. I would say that ancient "traditions" should be examined with redoubled scrutiny. Like the idea that black and white people should not be married... this was "within the confines of the law'' 50 years ago.
Oct 26 2010 6:35PM
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AMG.
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Just watch the whole thing...

Oct 26 2010 6:56PM
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Twinjibber77
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Damn. They mad. Real mad. Any links to that documentaries torrent?
Oct 26 2010 7:05PM
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Shifty540
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I don't think they should have the right to get married. I really don't give a shit what they do behind closed doors, but I believe for society there should be limitations as to what is acceptable. I do not find that lifestyle acceptable and we should not condone it as equal to a heterosexual relationship.

Does that make me a hate monger? Maybe to some, but I have my beliefs and will stick to them.
Oct 26 2010 7:10PM
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pmills
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Oct 26 2010 7:42PM
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RubberSoul
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LOL at the relevance of the second part of your signature
Oct 26 2010 7:43PM
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Shreddysaurus
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If you have vuze just search it. If you dont have vuze you should, shits illin
Oct 26 2010 7:46PM
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blindside
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..still hoping that everyone "arguing" against gay marriage is still trolling.
Oct 26 2010 11:12PM
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.jesus.
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well this thread went well...
Oct 26 2010 11:15PM
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Profpimpcain
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Please then, point to where that logic is wrong? If I love my sister, and she loves me, why shouldnt I be able to get married to her! HOW IS THAT IGNORANCE!
Oct 26 2010 11:20PM
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dr.awkward
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Why should I care if you want to marry your sister?


Oct 26 2010 11:29PM
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Profpimpcain
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THANK YOU! someone finally takes my post serious.
Oct 26 2010 11:40PM
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pmills
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what's to take serious? you're trying to draw a parallel between homosexuality and incest. that's about one step above equating gay to bestiality or pedophilia.
Oct 26 2010 11:48PM
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dr.awkward
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^ No, I didn't.

You're trying to convince me gay marriage is wrong because you think a brother marrying a sister is wrong. That makes no sense. Go back to the first grade to figure out why.

I am asking you why you care if a man wants to marry a man? Try to answer this question without telling me you think incest is wrong.
Oct 26 2010 11:49PM
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Profpimpcain
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Incest is acceptable in some cultures... you cant use the whole "its unnatural" argument.
Oct 26 2010 11:51PM
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dr.awkward
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are you 12 by any chance?
Oct 26 2010 11:55PM
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Twinjibber77
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Call me ignant. Never downloaded it. Thanks so much man +kkkk
Oct 26 2010 11:56PM
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stunt_ditch
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STOP BELTING OUT YOUR PARENTS OPINIONS. YOU ALL SOUND LIKE COMPLETE IDIOTS.


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Oct 27 2010 12:00AM
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seriously stop this madness.....

oh and stfu big spence your opinions are invalid




Oct 27 2010 12:07AM
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pmills
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oh cool, a vague reference, a false counter-argument and dodging having to account for why you think it's a valid comparison.

incest is undeniably unnatural, and damaging. Simply because others find it 'acceptable' doesn't make it natural. (what the hell are you referencing anyway, royal blood lines? hardly a good example of what is natural)

incest necessarily produces an unhealthy & unnatural result. procreation by incest actually creates bad DNA and harms the gene pool

homosexuality does not have these same consequences; it does not create any bad DNA nor does it cause any harm to the gene pool. (don't try to bring HIV/Aids into the equation, it's not the same issue, and is not a necessary byproduct of homosexual behavior.)

if this is not obvious to you, you're ignorant. It's not something to be ashamed of, until you refuse to accept the understanding you lack, merely for the sake of remaining consistent (read: choosing to remain ignorant).

If you're having trouble, figure out why old people are of value to a community, and in that you can see how homosexuals do not need to necessarily reproduce to be of utility.
Oct 27 2010 12:10AM
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PJS.
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stop.







please everyone just stop.
Oct 27 2010 12:13AM
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