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Is it true about Griffon Schizos? Take a poll if you have experience.

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Triple_Strum
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So I got a good deal on some this summer so I picked up a pair for my sticks this year. However, after doing a search on NS of Griffon Schizo reviews, they seem to have a bad reputation. So is it true, or did I just read like three people's bad experiences? Could you please post a positive or negative experience with specifically the Griffon Schizo. I want to get official numbers, like a poll. Please only post if you have owned them and skied them on your main skis. I want to avoid "My friend had a pair and I skied them for a day and they were legit". I want owner experience and multiple days (or one, if they broke I guess). Thanks NS.
Oct 21 2010 5:06PM
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DADDYlongLEGS
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I have them on my hellbents, skiied them 4 or 5 days and they haven't caused me any trouble...yet

I'm in the same boat as you got a sick deal on them and then I read a bunch of reviews involving some terrible experiences
Oct 21 2010 5:24PM
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schmies
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Had them last year on my Kung Fujas that I used as 'icy day' skis. We didn't get a bunch of snow for a stretch last year...so maybe 20 some days on them on different terrain with no problems.
Oct 21 2010 5:54PM
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Triple_Strum
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can you clarify if those were the pre-drilled version?
Oct 21 2010 6:05PM
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Cptn.J
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Read my post in this thread:

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/546582/
Oct 21 2010 7:09PM
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Cptn.J
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click able for all you lazies:

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/546582/
Oct 21 2010 7:10PM
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arandomname
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Also interested in this and in Marker Griffons/Jesters in general.  Also, is the Marker Griffon/Jester Schizo better/stronger this year?  Did they make any changes to it?
Oct 21 2010 9:14PM
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DADDYlongLEGS
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haha thats my thread
Oct 21 2010 11:01PM
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rozboon
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Ok this is a 'my friend' one, so shoot me. I skied with this guy every time I was on the hill this year.

He had 'insert' Schizo Griffons on 169 KungFus.
He went through 3 pairs before getting a refund because the bindings would not stay in the same place on the track. He could start a run with both at +4 and by the time he got to the bottom one would be at center and the other at +3. Literally, at times it was that bad. He skies quite hard but in the 1 run I had on them they moved on me too. This was on 1-2 day old bindings.
The shop tried all sorts of things including Loctite on the track but nothing would make them stay in place so in the end they just said screw it and swapped the skis out.
Aside from the shifting around they were solid and skied just like a normal Griffon.

However. This year the Schizo is different. On the old ones when you turned the screw on the front it was smooth. On the new ones when you turn it there are detents in the screw so it makes a sort of soft click as you turn it. I believe this will be sufficient to prevent any more shifting around on the track. Unfortunately the importer down here had decided to only bring in non-insert bindings and skis this year (no point stocking double of everything in a market this small) so they couldn't be swapped for new ones.

Sparknotes: Cool idea, just doesn't work perfectly. Might be fixed now.
Oct 21 2010 11:49PM
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Triple_Strum
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good stuff.  Bump for more responses
Oct 22 2010 8:56AM
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schmies
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They were the Schizos that came with the Fujas having the inserts.
Oct 22 2010 12:26PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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I'm nervous about any binding that is that light and also made of plastic.
Oct 22 2010 12:35PM
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Abc567def
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The design is flawed in general. The concept that you are able to shift a binding +- on a mounting point should not be variable on a downhill ski. When you are exerting that much force onto a plastic, semi-variable ski binding there is bound to be some movement or "shiftage". This is why you don't use touring bindings for DH. There is too much effort of on the moving parts and over time they will get stressed in their weaker parts. One of my bindings are the look Px 18's and even those i have managed to loosen some of the parts including the pivot point in the heel piece. If you are a rider that is hard on their gear and equipment then you will make the informed decision that it will most likely not hold up to the strains of time.
Oct 22 2010 12:48PM
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schmies
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It seems they took the effort to adjust the technology year two and fix the movement.
Oct 22 2010 1:02PM
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Whaley
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I have them on my Salomon Suspects 2010 2011 my friends that he let me use and so far they have been really good ive hit it on my summer setup and they rock
Oct 22 2010 1:28PM
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ChadThundercock
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i have a friend who rode them last season and had problems with the plastic parts cracking due to the cold....
Oct 22 2010 2:28PM
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Kangbang
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i saw a kid at my mountain with kung fujas and griffon schizos and he was sliding a 1foot high pvc. he goes to 270 off and he lands sideways and rips out his heel piece
Oct 22 2010 2:40PM
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ObsethedMan
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I have a pair mounted on some obethed and havent had any problems with them although I have them just .... Personally i would just get some looks or rossies because of durability and reliability reasons
Oct 22 2010 2:48PM
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j.saaaarela
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deciding between these and the regular griffons on a pair of alpha 1's.... i only weigh like 120 lbs, so would weight influence the durability of the schizo??? ill only have a one ski quiver, so im definitely considering these... but if they are going to break i would just go with the regular griffons and work that little bit harder in deeper snow...

Nov 1 2010 11:59PM
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TheSkiMonster
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the less moving parts you have, the less issues you will have.

never had a problem with schizos griffon or jester, however because of more moving parts the chances of them having an issue are higher a regular griffon or jester.
Nov 2 2010 12:34AM
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Style+eeze
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I used them most of last year.I was on a free pair of skis from k2 because my friend's dad is really high up in the company, blah blah blah doesn't matter.

To be honest, I would never buy them. I really didn't like them that much. They're super heavy, infringe on the flex of the ski, and move around way too much. I would go in at lunch and my bindings would be a couple centimeters away from each other, even though I had set them at the same point at the beginning of the day. In the long run, how much are you really going to put these things to use? I can name three times the entire year when I "needed" to move the bindings back and forth.

Granted, I'm happy I got to use them for free, but if it were my choice, I would have put a lot of other bindings on instead.

My vote: skip Schizos, put that money towards a pair of bindings that will last you years, and pocket the rest.

Hope that helps!
Nov 2 2010 12:45AM
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DwightSchrute
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agreed
Nov 2 2010 12:48AM
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