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What should a skier's role be in editing a movie?

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pikupfulofsnow
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Open the flood gates.....
Oct 17 2010 6:19AM
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TWoods
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helping choose a segment song, that's about it.
Oct 17 2010 6:40AM
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do.a.rodeo
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Getting as $H.Y.P.H.Y$ as possible, obviously...
Oct 17 2010 6:44AM
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schwinger
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determining how they are portrayed
Oct 17 2010 6:51AM
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84891jnf92048
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song, and then lookmat their segment and determine if they like it. unless they are good at editing, the. they should assist in the actual process.
Oct 17 2010 7:41AM
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jamesnunya
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whats a NON skiers role in editing?   Im not speaking to you because i see you have love for the sport but there are some folks that dont belong in the sport
Oct 17 2010 8:40AM
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Mr_pretzel
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Oct 17 2010 9:07AM
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EMK
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they should definitely help choose the song and maybe if there are particular clips they would like to see used or not used pipe up about that too.
Oct 17 2010 9:17AM
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iffe
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There's no single correct answer to this question. It can be anything from choosing a song to editing the whole movie by yourself (Pollard for example). It depends on the skier's will and ability to participate.
Oct 17 2010 9:30AM
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spk.aurelien
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not fucking with the soundtrack
Oct 17 2010 9:35AM
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spk.aurelien
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example teddybear crisis... if tanner hall chose his I wish I was black soundtrack instead of the 80s teshno theme, the movie would blow
Oct 17 2010 9:38AM
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spk.aurelien
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example teddybear crisis... if tanner hall chose his I wish I was black soundtrack instead of the 80s teshno theme, the movie would blow
Oct 17 2010 9:39AM
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letsgofilm
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as someone that edits, you cant just choose any song that the person wants for their part. it has to fit right. skiers should say which shots they def dont want and then watch it at the end and say what they think but i agree that unless theyre film people they shouldnt really be doin the editing and its super annoying when someones sitting over your shoulder watching you edit lol
Oct 17 2010 10:33AM
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A.Eberhard
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This exactly, the skier should have no other input then this because the editor knows what song and editing will make it look the best.
Oct 17 2010 10:34AM
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hanksy
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I don't think there's anything specific that a skier should have to do. The most important thing, I think, is that they aren't left in the dark during the process. The skier should be able to check out how the part is coming along, what shots are going where, and what filler. As long as there is a mutual trust it's all good.
Oct 17 2010 10:42AM
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Jwenz
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well until recently I haven't edited with anyone by my side, which i have come to realize is the illest. In my recent Hood Edit skier sam hurst sat next to me and provided input throughout the whole thing. now keep in mind i was the master behind the keys he just added a little flair to it, which I really really liked. if done correctly the skier can help for sure as long as the input isnt too farfetched or unreasonable editing wise, let alone untasteful. so i feel that if done correctly, a skiers assistance in editing can be helpful in small doses, by no means should they edit an entire segment unless they are better than the editor at editing?
Oct 17 2010 1:23PM
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jason...
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song selection, im sure thats already been said.
Oct 17 2010 1:28PM
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j.bird
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wtf are you talking about? Non skiers? why the fuck would they be working on a ski film, or have ANY say? He means athlete vs. filmer/editor.


I think the riders deserves a say in the song choice and lifestyle shots, however I think it is ultimatley up to the film maker. Even though your rider may want to some ridiculous mac dre song, the editor is the one who should really get to choose.

Oct 17 2010 1:31PM
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thesheik
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yeah, didn't wilson stop filming with matchstick because they made him look like a crazyass stuntman and not a skier? i don't think that's quite fair to him.
Oct 17 2010 1:37PM
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blindside
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I think they should work together, each party deserves equal input on the final product.
Oct 17 2010 1:46PM
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[~_~]
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Nothing. They're skiers, not filmmakers.
Oct 17 2010 1:55PM
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reverendwrong
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well obviously their role is to do some fancy ass stunts in front of the camera so there is actually something to edit.
Oct 17 2010 2:29PM
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jeeesus
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if u let skiers choose the song then you end up with shitty movies with no flow because each segment has a different personality.
Oct 17 2010 2:32PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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Nothing
Oct 17 2010 2:59PM
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Static
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brining the editor snacks and stuff
Oct 17 2010 4:09PM
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Static
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don't get so snippy gay.bird, secret agents are all over this bitch. He meant filmers/editors who arn't skiers working on ski movies, even though you misunderstood it seems you're actually more pissed about it than he was.
Oct 17 2010 4:12PM
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Heath.
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It helps alot to have riders watch their stuff, make sure your have continuity throughout. Ive put together tricks, say a lead blunt and a regular blunt, and had no idea they were different. But, the downfall of this is they always bitch about how their tricks look and that you shouldn't use a shot.
Oct 17 2010 4:31PM
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casual
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They shouldn't have one, unless they're financing the project or running their own show—LEAST of all choosing their own song. Well placed songs in ski flicks become iconic and are sometimes every bit as memorable as the part itself.

What qualifies a 20 year old jock to edit a segment that is intended to fit into the overall context and vision of a filmmaker? On the other hand, editing their own self or season edit? Sure, have at it...what better way to represent your skiing than to edit your own footage.

Actors don't edit dramatic films, skiers shouldn't edit ski movies. The availability of editing software has given "armchair editors" the ability to be hands on. However, there's a huge gap in quality and skill between an amateur editor and a really diligent, gifted one.
Oct 17 2010 4:33PM
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theCROW
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What are you talking about? Most film makers are skiers... It's not like some hollywood douche bag sits down to edit every movie. It's freeskiing, in so many cases the skiers are the film makers.

Anyway though. The skier should always have choice in music, how they want to be portrayed, and which shots they don't want in their segment. If something they do looks like shit, they'll ask to get it taken out. pretty simple
Oct 17 2010 5:16PM
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j.bird
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this
Oct 17 2010 5:18PM
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Milksteak
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Helping chose music...and getting good shots. That's about it.
Oct 17 2010 5:20PM
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hawaiiansteeze
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helping find a song deffiantly. but also i always sat next to my boys when they edited shit and gave them input on what to do. until recently i always did that then i started editing on my own, but i would prefer to have someone else with me to have another opinion on what your doing
Oct 17 2010 5:28PM
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Drail
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I totally agree. If the editors/production company are going for a feel good happy ski video and one of the skiers wants gangster rap and attitude for their segment, well - it's just not going to work.

A rider making a self edit for the bonus features is great, I love it when a ski video has that. After a few years of self edits, the skier might understand the big picture more and have some real input to the actual video. Until than, paws off.
Oct 17 2010 5:29PM
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[~_~]
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No. Most filmmakers are not skiers. Most filmmakers see film in a different and more refined way, which is why action sports movies are generally shit compared to real movies. Most skiers aren't trained in the aesthetic motives of filmmaking, and approach it accordingly, which leads to a stale product that isn't taken seriously. Those silly films can be great and all, but don't expect an actual GOOD movie when one song is Reggae, the next Hip-Hop, the next Dubstep, etc...

It's like when a client tells a graphic designer exactly what they want. Why are they hiring a designer in the first place?
Oct 17 2010 5:30PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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Eric Pollard?
Oct 17 2010 6:01PM
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tride
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That question is way too general. It totally depends on the skier in question, their editing experience, etc.

That's why JP works his ass off editing his seggy for PBP, while someone like Charlie probably doesn't do any of the editing on his.
Oct 17 2010 6:03PM
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The_Oakley_Kid
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im gonna have to say it should be a collaborative endeavor. the editor should have complete control, but the rider should have some input... ive seen way too many segments where the rider is portrayed completely opposite of his personality/skiing ability. You can't just say the rider has no input because the editor is making a movie featuring the rider... its not like you can make a ski movie without the skiers...
Oct 17 2010 6:07PM
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T-Holt
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It entirely depends on the athlete. If the athlete has filming and editing experience, they should have more of a say. There's no reason that a skier can't get a degree in film and help out with the editing process.
Oct 17 2010 7:00PM
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CBROOKS
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Skiers should always have a part in putting their seg together, beyond just being filmed on the hill. This is especially important when someone behind the lens doesn't know tons about tricks. Lame when good tricks are left out because a Filmer doesn't know whats up, or tricks are edited together incorrectly. I think a skier should also be able to tell an editor if they don't like how they are being portrayed, and then talk about changing things from their.
Oct 17 2010 7:12PM
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GratefulShred
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Nailed it.
I don't think they should be involved in actually editing the footy, but song choice and lifestyle footage should be influenced heavily by them.
Oct 17 2010 7:15PM
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N.L.
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the athletes at the level 1 premiere didnt know what song was used for thier seggy, i was pretty much shocked by this, and made it seem even that much more incredible. for a film like that, i would agree. but small edits and profile seggies should be heavily influenced by the charcter of the skier.
Oct 18 2010 11:22AM
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danbrown
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I agree with Landis and Casual.
Oct 18 2010 11:29AM
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DrZoidberg
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Nimbus riders have a decent amount of input, right? I think Pollard does most of the editing but I'd bet the other guys help. And mostly everyhting they put out is great in my opinion.

I quoted him because I agree with his statement. Although I believe it's heavily context based. You couldn't have a rider that knows nothing about the program or hardly more than general editing edit his part for the next PBP film. They should have some level of involvement, but if they're gonna disturb the whole flow the director had envisioned then they should be a bit more distant.
Oct 18 2010 11:38AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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True indeed. I suppose it is up to the athlete.
Oct 18 2010 11:47AM
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Willard
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honestly there the ones risking there lives on features and work so hard to make some stuff work they should have some say on music and style how it goes together. In the end it should be the editor but the skier should defiantly have some influence
Oct 18 2010 12:54PM
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RAWLAN
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epic lol hard?
Oct 18 2010 1:40PM
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JahSpriggs
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Everything!! hehe
Oct 18 2010 2:22PM
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OoobeFu_k
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this made me lol. and i guess a lil true.
Oct 18 2010 2:24PM
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jeR.
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i think showing how they are portrayed and song.
Oct 18 2010 2:48PM
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jeeesus
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could you be any more vague? The way that they're portrayed through filming and editing and various other aspects are things that pro skiers have NO training in. The more influence a skier has on his segment, the worse it will be.
Oct 18 2010 3:06PM
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