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Elmo.
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so i know theres a lot of people who play or enjoy soccer on here so
i was watching the US vs columbia friendly last night on espn 2 and they mentioned that bids for the 2018 world cup were being picked soon. and Philadelphia, PA was one of the front runners.... i would be really happy about this.

i dont know to much info but i thought i would share with you guys
Oct 13 2010 7:29PM
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Che~
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all i can think of is
Oct 13 2010 7:32PM
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TheHundreds
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Americans don't care about soccer until the world cup.
Oct 13 2010 7:32PM
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Elmo.
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meh. i know that. i dont watch to much but theres a lot of people i know who like to play (like myself) and would love to see a world cup in the US
Oct 13 2010 7:35PM
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twin-tip-hero
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Philadelphia was bidding you say? that makes no sense since a world cup is held and played in an entire country, not just one city like the Olympics.
Oct 13 2010 7:36PM
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Funnel
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I'd go...... For a cheesesteak.
Oct 13 2010 7:36PM
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Elmo.
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o shit my bad... they talked about philly a lot so i figured that's where it would be. in the last world cup i really didnt pay attention to locations. okay so then the US had a bid that was a front runner.
Oct 13 2010 7:39PM
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Elmo.
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did it... everyone who supports it should do it also
Oct 13 2010 9:40PM
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fujarome
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USA wont get it. They're competing with England.

USA had it in 1994. Only 5 world cups will have passed since then. It seems like/really is a long time, but in the grand scheme of things, having it in the same place after that short a time period. Its not common to have it twice in a short time though. Mexico's done it, but everyone else had to wait decades for it to come back.

and when it comes down to it, FIFA knows that having it in england is the best choice. Hell, they could be given a month of notice, yet still be ready to host it. They have the stadiums, the tranist, the police etc etc all ready. And they haven't had it since 66.
Oct 13 2010 9:46PM
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Elmo.
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this is true... im just hoping cuz i really want to see a world cup final game. its one of the things i wanna do before i die so if it comes here then itll just be that much easier to go do that

and that when the world cup comes to town its always nice
Oct 13 2010 9:47PM
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jblaski
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Yeah!!! I can once again pretend that I support USA soccer for 3 games, just so I can appear trendy on Facebook.

SOOOO pumped!
Oct 13 2010 9:51PM
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fujarome
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I'd actually prefer it be played in england or france, as for me, despite usually being in the us, it would be easier to see matches.

The us is a pain in the ass because it's so big. Fly for 5 hours, and you're finally at the next stadium. in france, you could see 1 game in paris, take the train, and 3 hrs later you're in marseille for a different match
Oct 13 2010 9:51PM
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COskier
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You think that England has better stadiums/infrastructure than the US??? We have so many more people and stadiums it is silly. Also, Morgan Freeman:


Oct 13 2010 11:43PM
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shibby
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I'll have some of what you're on. What a massively ignorant twat you are to claim that the US has better football infrastructure than England. England has the best stadiums in the world, the best league in the world, arguably the best fans in the world, etc.

Yanks know nothing about soccer and can't play for shit. I guarantee if all the hard as fuck footy fans from England, Serbia, Italy and other countries came over the US would simply explode. Your post as well as the OP thinking the World Cup is hosted by a single city is exactly why America shouldn't get it.

I hope England gets it, that would be a great follow up to Brazil. Party in Rio in 2014 then hop over in 2018 to go mental with the hooligans. Qatar in 2022 would be jokes.
Oct 14 2010 12:27AM
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Peter.
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why would the us explode? we have had the cup here before, successfully, why not again?
Oct 14 2010 12:39AM
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Mr.Feeny
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that'd be soooo sick!! I hope they get chosen, idk when the last time the U.S had it
Oct 14 2010 12:42AM
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COskier
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Ummm, we have much better infrastructure. In the US we have a little thing called the NFL that is a modestly successful football league (most profitable league in the world). Now, this may be hard for you to comprehend, but it is not very difficult to replace a field goal with a soccer goal. Show me the English stadium that is as pimp as the new Dallas stadium.

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And we have hundreds of other huge stadiums here too which could be used seeing as the World Cup does take place in a country, not a single city, which I never claimed.

So yes, perhaps I'm an "ignorant twat" or perhaps you are a arrogant piece of shit who thinks that English football is the be all and end all of the sport despite the fact that you qualified below the yanks in the World Cup and decimated by Germany.

And we still have a monopoly on Morgan Freeman so fuck you.
Oct 14 2010 2:44AM
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Skwirl
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Oh, and not only would Americans be great fans, but the World Cup is supposed to be about the people of the world converging on one country. It doesn't matter which country hosts it, everyone would come here.
Oct 14 2010 2:57AM
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Bungholio
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the world will end in 2012 so fuck it
Oct 14 2010 2:58AM
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shibby
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What can I say, I'm an elitist jerk.

You may have better infrastructure for American football but not for real football. I can't be arsed about your new stadium in Dallas or New Jersey(?). None of that shyte has the history or uniqueness of a Wembley, Anfield or Old Trafford. And fans in English stadiums are parked much closer to the pitch.

Both countries lost in the same round of the World Cup. USA got right fucked by a little African tribe where as England lost to the perpetual winning machine of world football. Oh, and > implying that I'm an England fan.
Oct 14 2010 3:16AM
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Yung_Gnarley
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America hates soccer haha. Having the world cup here would be so dumb
Oct 14 2010 3:21AM
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shibby
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Your fans are a bunch of baseball boozers and football jockotrons. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but please don't ask for the World Cup when most of the country will just take the piss out of it.
Oct 14 2010 3:25AM
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lineskier10
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america is a big country and theres plenty of people that love soccer, no one that is just a football or baseball fan is going to pay for a ticket, plus you know fifa wants to make soccer more popular here to make them more money, so they probably will give it to us
Oct 14 2010 3:32AM
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COskier
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Infrastructure is infrastructure when you can use such stadiums for soccer too, as they often do. Maybe you "can't be arsed" but you called me an "ignorant twat" for suggesting that we have great infrastructure. I think people who "can't be arsed" have a lot in common with the twats you were just describing.

English fans are closer? A big stadium is a big stadium. Shitty seats at a huge field are going to be far away.

Both countries lost in the same round but American's don't claim to be the greatest. Our goal from the outset was just to get out of the knockout round, which we did, ahead of England.

Also, sorry if I implied you were an English fan. Your Chelsea icon and claim that "England has the best stadiums in the world, the best league in the world, arguably the best fans in the world, etc." must have mislead me.
Oct 14 2010 3:32AM
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COskier
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Wow, you really piss me off, all of your original arguments don't hold up so you just broadly bash America.
Oct 14 2010 3:35AM
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Chaka
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England is a bunch of bad teethed, anal munching, bad smelling, spotted dick eating losers who have fights in the streets after soccer matches like that one movie and drink in pubs excessively... Im not saying thats a bad thing, but please don't generalize and entire country based off stereotypes.

We have just as much of a right to host a World Cup as England.
Let FIFA make their decision.
Oct 14 2010 3:38AM
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COskier
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According to your profile you are from Canada.

Canadians are just a bunch of polar bear fucking pussies. I'm not saying thats a bad thing though.

I don't actually have anything against Canada, but you can't insult a country and then have it be all good because you add "not a bad thing".
Oct 14 2010 3:39AM
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shibby
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Clearly I won't be able to get you to understand the stadium difference. And football fans in England and most of the world for that matter make you sports fans look like pussycats.

BTW, do some research into how Americans are currently ruining England's two most storied clubs.
Oct 14 2010 3:39AM
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COskier
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Fuck, you beat me by 23 seconds. I like the way you think though.
Oct 14 2010 3:40AM
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COskier
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Oh so now we are moving on to Liverpool. Wow, another stupid remark that is totally on topic, and by the way Liverpool should be so lucky to get purchased by the Red Sox.

Oct 14 2010 3:42AM
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shibby
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You're a fucking disgrace to Pilsener.
Oct 14 2010 3:51AM
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beermuscles
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Yeah Shibby, your comments hurt. The entire American population got behind the American soccer team when the World Cup occurred this past time around, hell the majority continued to watch it after America was eliminated.


NS is not the greatest population be surveying as many are only 16/ young teenagers ..


.. I think it would be an incredible experience .. but I don't see it happening until 2022. England is a much better venue at this point of time for 2018. 2022 is a distinct possibility though.

Oh yeah, I have never played soccer in my life, but it is so much fun to watch. I play baseball, golf and ultimate frisbee.
Oct 14 2010 3:54AM
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spk.aurelien
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we dont desrve it
Oct 14 2010 7:03AM
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fujarome
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see, I don't understand the whole "americans got behind their team!"

They did, but not until the finals. Most americans don't realize the world cup is a 2 year tournament. If i asked most, they wouldn't even know what fifa zone the USA is from, let alone what teams they played to make the finals. Whereas I can tell you who France played, how'd they do, and retrace their entire path to the finals.

and way to go, whoever that was, posting one of the stadiums that almost certainly wouldn't be allowed in. I remember awhile back reading that while chelsea were in town, terry and frank were having a kick about, and kept hitting the bottom of the screen without trying. Just practicing things like defensive clearances. And I remember cech also hit on a few punts and i think a goal kick too. FIFA would never allow that in the finals. Plus refs are not supposed to have a massive screen showing replays to view, and that would be pretty much unavoidable.


and i said INFRASTRUCTURE. That doesn't just mean stadiums. They are a part of it, but it also includes public transit, police forces who know how to deal with it, and being able to handle it easily overall. The world cup has changed since 1994. It wouldn't be as easy anymore. And no, dealing with college football fans rioting would not nowhere near what dealing with national fan hooligans would be like, so don't say they can do it already.
Oct 14 2010 7:29AM
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dbstar
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Much better infrastructure? What a fucking idiot you are. The US has good infrastructure for things like driving insane amount of cars. In the UK they have good public transit infrastructure, which would be much more important. Also I will show you the english stadium that is as pimp as the new Dallas one, check out wembley stadium it is the most expensive stadium in the world, and has capacity for 90,000.
Oct 14 2010 9:10AM
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BVT802
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This tread is becoming increasingly off topic by the minute. If you would like to argue over which country deserves the world cup more...go make a thread for it. The only advantage to the US holding the world cup would be our inate ability to market the piss out of the locations, matches and boost ticket sales through the roof.

The truth is a majority of americans could give a shit less about soccer, I am very much into the english premier league so I guess I'm in the minority. The US public would go fucking nutty over tickets because its' a novelty, not necessarily a real interest. With our over populated cities that would be prime locations such as LA, NYC, Boston, Philly, Dallas etc tickets would sell out in minutes and the rest of the world would be hard pressed to compete with domestic sales.

It would by far be the highest grosing World Cup to date, but quite possibly the most neglected by the rest of the world due to the current hostile global political climate. So many countries and organizations are anti-US right now that I could see major protest and chaos breaking out all over the world and taken to the streets of the US come time for the 1st round.

Yes, I'd love to see one come to the states because of the mega-boost to our economy, but at the same time we might expereince the negative effects much more than the positive. The love of the sport would be lost in the publication and marketing--ultimately the money surrounding the event. As an American I would rather see it go to England or France before we get it again. Let us tie up some loose cannons before we try to host a global event with a laundry list of political influences.

Oct 14 2010 9:34AM
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damuffinmann
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Nobady Cares
Oct 14 2010 10:53AM
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BVT802
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So should we count you out for 2018/2022? I'll mark you on the list.
Oct 14 2010 11:05AM
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shibby
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Cheers mate, that's all very well put.
Oct 14 2010 1:00PM
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fujarome
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Didn't want to quote that longer post of yours, but actually, fifa is quite strict on the tickets. They allow a certain number to be sold to citizens of where it's taking place, but then cut it off, and the rest I believe go to each represented country's federation, and are sold by them, with the money still going to fifa. So each stadium wouldn't be 98% americans. There'd of course be more americans, but it wouldn't be dominant. Prices also vary based on where you are. (for example, ticket prices were adjusted between germany 06 and SA10 because the majority in SA most likely don't make as much as the germans)

and americans would try to market the whole thing, but with the world cup it's somewhat hard because it's sponsored by predominantly world wide brands, and FIFA is strict on that. In 06, a number of dutch fans had to watch a game with no shirt because they were wearing novelty lederhosen with a different beer company's name on it. Since the WC is sponsored by budweiser i think it is, they weren't allowed into the stadium with them.

to be allowed in, it has to have a sponsoring brand on it, or nothing at all. Not much room for extra advertising or marketing there.
Oct 14 2010 2:03PM
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Big_Spence
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lol @ OP.

i love soccer with a passion, but i really doubt the US will ever get the World Cup. even though we have the facilities and all that good stuff, we just don't have the fan base that well...every other country outside of the US and Canada does have.
Oct 14 2010 2:09PM
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fujarome
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just gonna go ahead and point out that the USA already had it in 94. Can't tell by your response whether you know that or not.

I'm a bit young to remember it, but from what i read/hear, the 94 finals sucked.
Oct 14 2010 2:12PM
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Peter.
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this is true. watching a soccer game in an actual soccer stadium is so much better than watching one in a football stadium.
Oct 14 2010 2:16PM
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Big_Spence
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sorry, i should have said get it again.

in the eyes of most, 94 was a complete fail. if i remember correctly, they broke a ton of attendance records, but that's just because of the massive stadiums. very few of the people there were US citizens. FIFA thought it would rally up support for soccer here in the states and help spark support for the MLS (which was only a couple years old at the time...i think anyway.) but that didn't really work either.
Oct 14 2010 2:18PM
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fujarome
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I'm pretty sure the USA only got it under the premise that the MLS had to exist and start play by 1996, because fifa wanted to expand soccer in the US.
Oct 14 2010 2:25PM
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BVT802
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I enjoy intelligent correction and input, and you've made some very good points here. I didn't realize how fifa controlled ticket sales and what not and the branding is a very good point but in theory you could think that because it would be a US hosted cup they may allow for a larger marketing scheme and what not since many global brands are advertised through major US Advertisng houses (as sad as that is). I doubt that fifa would allow this to happen but judging by how we market the hell out of our major sports leagues and college leagues alike you could imagine how crazy US publishing and advertising houses would go on branding.

Again, I'd love to see an American WC in 2018 but the logistical probability and historical rotation of hosting doesn't point in our favor...and hell, I'd love to the homeland (I'm a first generation American, family is Irish and English) and watch if I can get tickets.

Oct 14 2010 5:01PM
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Ski..4..Life
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If the USA get it over England I will be so pissed.
and whoever the yank homer is that said they have better infrastructure....WAH!!!! get your head out your ass.

I guess the EPL play in little grassy highschool football feilds? Not historic venues like Old Trafford and Wemley.

With the olympics being there in 2012 all the infrastructure will already be in place not only for all the football games but along with all the accessories that come along with the World Cup like.

Oct 14 2010 5:26PM
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icon1234
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Honestly I don't care as long as its not in South Africa again. To the fools saying it wouldn't work well in the states are retards, it would be fine so all the English bros get off your high horse. In all honestly though, I hope it's kinda not in the USA, so that way I have an excuse to visit another country.
Oct 14 2010 5:59PM
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icon1234
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O and wouldn't it be like really fucking hard for people from other countries to travel to the states? I really don't have much experience on this topic as I live here, but since September 11th Ive heard its a pain in the ass to travel here if your not a citizen.
Oct 14 2010 6:01PM
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fujarome
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that's exactly why we're saying it just wouldn't be convenient to have in the US. In england, you get there, then you can pretty much take the train for 5 hours, and be at every venue. No excessive security, no problems for foreigners traveling.
Oct 14 2010 6:06PM
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BVT802
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Considering how disfunctional our current public transit system is right now England would trump us in transportation between sites and matches. Unless we could put all of the games in the same region such as the North East, Mid West or just California, then fans and players would be flying from stadium to stadium which is a fucking nightmare logistcally today, as it was easier to organize when the airline industry wasn't chalk full of errors and lost bags and all that hoopla about a decade ago (seriously look at airline efficiency compared between the 90's and post 2000), and it would be costly to boot. As amazing as it would be to see it in the US again I think a football oriented country such as England, France or another EU country would kill it and put on a good show. Australia would be dope, no?

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