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No Soda for people on Welfare

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Mike-O
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So apparently the mayor of New York is trying to get all lemonades and sodas to be put on a no-buy list with Welfare coupons (I didn't know these were still used).

This sounds like a great idea, as if you are struggling for food, these things should not be on the menu which other people have paid for as it's pretty clear they are unhealthy and should be paid for with own, earned money instead.
Oct 7 2010 12:35PM
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Campeador
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Yes?
Oct 7 2010 2:46PM
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dmc12380
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You can't, but at least i know in vermont whats been happening lately is people buy a bunch of expensive shit with there stamps like turkeys and meats, then return them the next day, get cash back and go buy cigs and beer with that money, and its been becoming a real big problem.

especially seeing these people out on there porch and the streets smoking cigs and drinking and realizing to yourself you just bought that shit for them with your taxes
Oct 7 2010 2:47PM
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BlueSteele
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Fill out the hurt feelings form and we'll get back to you next week.
Oct 7 2010 2:48PM
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RubberSoul
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so youre asserting that you know enough about economics and the neighborhood effect of millions of poor and starving people, to say that itd be a better thing for the country as a whole to, rather than give ~3% of your earnings to it, let thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people starve? great, youre a selfish, myopic pussy. congratulations. your life is SO hard
Oct 7 2010 2:48PM
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Mike-O
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I thought you criticized me because I don't have any info on this other than from my mommy and daddy, but maybe I misunderstood. It's cool.
Oct 7 2010 2:49PM
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Snowcase
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It all comes down to necessity. Soda is a luxury, not a necessity. That fucking simple.
Oct 7 2010 2:49PM
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BlueSteele
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Well....$1400 if you are in the 100% tax bracket.  More like about $100-150 in a more realistic bracket.
Oct 7 2010 2:50PM
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freestyler540
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Ok, that is easier said than done. Because education is so expensive, the lower class cant afford to go to school. So what is left? low paying dead end jobs. Most people with low paying jobs do 60hr days and rack up a mere 20,000$ salary. So here we have a vicious circle and goes on from generation to generation. To break the poor cycle, make education of ALL levels to all schools free. Like this, better paying jobs are available to everyone that WANTS to work, but either cant find it (yes I have been in that category) or cant get the proper training. You also forget America's businesses are downsizing because of the recession. The stimulus plan was a bubble, gas to a fire. Im sure next year the world will start another recession. Right wing people claim all people on welfare are lazy. That is not true, most of them are really disabled or have been laid off. Its really hard to get welfare, in Canada at least.

Rubbersoul, you are right. Who are we to dictate what people can or cannot eat or drink? let them have soft drinks, they are not all that expensive. But I do agree, soft drinks are a luxury item. Its not a bare essential.

Cutting off items off food stamp is the first step to canceling the whole program. Little by little, government will take away these programs because they "cost too much" but fail to put money in long term investment. Soon, the program will not be sustainable and the US will turn into Ghana.

Go for everyone that complains about the welfare system, GO TO A FUCKING SOUP KITCHEN. Listen to what these people have to say. The poor arent idiots because they dont make 120,000$ salaries.


Oct 7 2010 2:51PM
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RubberSoul
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just bringing this to the second page, to argue with me anymore you need to answer this question.

for now i gotta go back to working though.. oh man, i cant even be happy thinking about the .0000001% of my earnings that some guy is going to buy lemonade with! the horror!!
Oct 7 2010 2:52PM
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Static
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1) sure
2) yes, like I said go to the foodstamps application office, MOST of the people there are just fine, their financed Benz is parked right out front. (Which they lied about on the application, if you have a car you're told to sell it before you are accepted into the program.)
Oct 7 2010 2:52PM
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spkillah.
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what's your reasoning behind that most people don't abuse the system. We've already given you instances in which they do, but you've failed to give us anything that's concrete saying that most people respect the system.
Oct 7 2010 2:53PM
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RubberSoul
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well i just ran through a 50,00 dollar tax rate. 10% on the first ~8400 bucks, 15% on the next ~ 34, 000, and 25% on the last ~15000, then that sum times .14 (for 14% of taxes going to safety net programs)
Oct 7 2010 2:54PM
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RubberSoul
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dude i just recognize that telling you that my family friend Lois needs it because her foster child, a kid with burns on 95% of his body and no parents, needs food even though her 3 jobs that she works her ass off at dont make ends meet, doesnt win the argument. or 5 other people i know who work 2 or 3 HARD jobs just to get by. those
Oct 7 2010 2:58PM
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RubberSoul
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..post got cut off.

"...those examples dont win the argument because theyre
Oct 7 2010 2:59PM
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RubberSoul
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seriously is a mod fucking with me? my posts keep getting cut off in these threads..?
Oct 7 2010 3:00PM
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spkillah.
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it's because you're fucking stupid and no one wants to hear your bullshit anymore.
Oct 7 2010 3:01PM
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RubberSoul
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this sounds like something a whiny bitch who complains about
Oct 7 2010 3:03PM
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Static
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good for Lois for helping out some kid, I'm sure the state is rewarding her for it

A minimum wage job is more than enough to cover rent and food. The other people you know who work sooo hard, do they have a gambling problem or a drug addiction? The more likely scenario is that they brought a child into the world they couldn't afford. We should give out free abortions with a sterilization for repeat offenders.
Oct 7 2010 3:03PM
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RubberSoul
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haha okay bud. id love to see you tell her the state is rewarding her so well as she lives in a piece of shit apartment

and i agree that a lot of people have babies that shouldnt. but AGAIN, that is not a rational reason that we should get rid of it altogether, none of my examples had any children of their own
Oct 7 2010 3:05PM
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Static
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well then what's the problem?????????????
Oct 7 2010 3:06PM
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RubberSoul
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THEY'RE FUCKING EXAMPLES!!! i only brought them up to prove a point that a few examples DONT MEAN SHIT in the context of this discussion. you guys are so fucking caught up in these certain instances and wont actually argue when i call to attention the stunningly small amount of money you have given to this shit (and you have taken advantage of it so i really dont see where you get off complaining about it)
Oct 7 2010 3:08PM
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hella.sick.skier
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everything should be cut from their options. they should work and make some money like everyone else. lazy fucks
Oct 7 2010 3:13PM
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spkillah.
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I'm convinced this is a troll thread, you're pathetic.

I asked you to provide some of your real life examples of people and you come and make up a story. Anyone can make up a story, what I've said is experiences from my life, and you've failed to give me one from yours.
Oct 7 2010 3:14PM
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skiminnesota
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Oct 7 2010 3:18PM
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RubberSoul
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dude are you fucking retarded? where did i say i made them up? those are real life examples.. all i said was they are not argument ending just as your
Oct 7 2010 3:22PM
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RubberSoul
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fucking cut off posts.. anyway its hilarious that youre so mad about this, keep doing it see if i give a shit
Oct 7 2010 3:25PM
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Campeador
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Fuck you, you have no fucking clue what real poverty looks like.

The parasitic leeches that are buying up the whole supermarket on their food stamps and welfare are not what I call "starving and poor". In most places in the world they'd be considered well off. People who have kids they cannot afford should suffer, and social services should take their kids away rather than reward them with more money.

Oct 7 2010 3:35PM
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RubberSoul
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hahaha oookay, so youre gonna go that route huh? "theyre not even poor compared to some countries!" .. that completely makes it okay then. good point.

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Oct 7 2010 3:45PM
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Chompo.
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I think this is a good thing
Oct 7 2010 3:50PM
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geteducated
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healthier beverage alternatives are usually more expensive. they already have water, so they're just trying to get the most for their money.

Oct 7 2010 3:53PM
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Campeador
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no fuck wit, but I do take issue with you calling the parasitic underclass of America "poor and starving" when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oct 7 2010 3:53PM
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RubberSoul
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hahaha i have no idea what im talking about, but you claim there are no poor or starving people in the US? this gets funnier and funnier, thanks for brightening up my work day chief
Oct 7 2010 4:07PM
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Campeador
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If you're able to starve in the US then that is just natural selection at work.
Oct 7 2010 4:13PM
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Billek
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I live in the second poorest county in New York state, so my sample size is pretty large.  My Father is also on the tax grievance committee so I have a well formed opinion on welfare and such.

Of course I see the reasons for supporting welfare and other 'handout' programs, but I seem to see more reasons to hate them.

I can recall the woman up the road.  She does absolutely nothing with her life.  I don't know weather it's drugs, alcohol, or something else, but something is definately bringing her down.  She sits around all day and harbors farm animals and fails to care for them properly.  There is a horse that cant stand with its neck up in some shitty pen they made out of scrap wood and tarp, there are two ponies for fucks sake.  There are her dogs and chickens that I have to slow down for every time I pass her place...  seriously, is there is no need for all of these animals.  So the system is basically keeping her alive so she can somehow scrape up enough cash up to barely feed her fleet of critters. 

The bitch has the nerve to bitch me out for scaring her stupid horse when I'm longboarding as well.  Fuck her, the closest thing to a job for her is literally being a clown and taking her filthy animals with her to birthday parties or some shit.

There's also the man collecting disability because of his back, and he is also getting tax breaks because his house is 'under renovation' or some shit.  Does this make sense to you?  The man with a bad back has been adding to his house for the past three years, while keeping just one element unfinished so the tax breaks keep rolling.

My sister had a kid with this one man, and they have since broken up, so I know his story.  He simply doesn't get a job and sucks the tit all day, him and his wife.  They have squatted in condemned houses before, and one of the last places they stayed at was thrown into such bad condition that it had to be bulldozed as soon as they moved out.  Luckily his food is paid for so he has more money to pay rent in the trailer and buy meth.

Do I need to continue?  If you want more examples I can come up with them all day.

Before you go off on the 'this spoiled kid is mad at his money getting spent' don't even try that route.  This spoiled kid is tired of a broken program enabling bums to function on the lowest rung of society's ladder

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Oct 7 2010 4:18PM
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Trollolo
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Can crack and booze be put on the no buy list?
Oct 7 2010 4:20PM
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RubberSoul
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look bro as i said before im with you, the system is not nearly perfect (not even close) and LOTS of people take advantage of it, and that sucks. but that does not mean we should abolish the whole thing, giving
Oct 7 2010 4:25PM
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RubberSoul
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fuckkkk haha that is so annoying
Oct 7 2010 4:27PM
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spkillah.
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Rubbersoul just got snapped, crackled and burned by so many different people.
Oct 7 2010 4:57PM
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XtRemE11
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thank you! it is not that hard to get a job in the US. i know two people one whom is a good friend who dropped out of highschool, pretty much failed their way through school before that they are about 25-27 years old now. one has a wife and two kids, and has a job paying like 30 bucks an hour. right after he dropped out, he got a job, moved out at 18, didnt get shit from his parents, and did fine.
yes some people are born into shitty situations, but if your born in some ghetto neighborhood, and get involved with drug's alcohol, gang's etc instead of working, or going to school nomatter how shitty that school or job may be, i have no respect for you and i dont believe they should get any help at all.
the more our government helps out people in "poverty" the worse it gets, people become less and less motivated to get a job, so they have less experience, making it harder to get a job that pays well. if you were 100% on your own i guarantee there would be a lot less extremely poor people in the US.
shit my dad lived in a fucking shack until he was 18, they had an oven for heat, it was basically a kitchen/living room combined, and one tiny bed room for his parents. he had absolutely no help at all from his parents, started working his ass off at 14, paid his way through college, was basically homeless for a year after college so he could save money, and became pretty damn successful for someone who grew up in something the size of your average houses kitchen.
now show me anyone on welfare that you know of that has worked that hard to support themselves and their family and i might have some sympathy.
Oct 7 2010 5:02PM
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RubberSoul
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haha kid my posts keep getting cut off and im still beating you guys with one hand behind my back. when you can come up with a good reply to the following and not just bitch and moan about 2 people youve seen, let me know. until then, youre still a big pussy bitching about the tiniest amount of money being given to people without all the good luck you and i have had:

"and just for the record, around 60% of tax goes to "defense," social security, and medicare etc while 14% goes to safety net programs. so if you made 50,000 last year... around 2.8%, or 1400 bucks of that went to these programs that are ruining your lives so bad.(if someone wants to check my math thatd be cool, i had to fly through it cause im at work..)


so, the question is: is the fact that SOME people take advantage of the welfare system, to which you give ~2.8% of your earnings, enough reason to stop the system so that honest hard working people in shitty situations can survive and feed their kid?

if youre so up in arms about your money being "taken away," bitch about things other than welfare, like the money pit over in the fucking desert"




the facts of the situation: youre bent out of shape because you think your life's hard cause you have to give the tiniest fraction of your earnings to help those who could be starving and dying without it. 3% was a wildly generous figure for you, i guarantee your actual number is WAY lower. sack up you pussy. life is just so damn hard for you huh?
Oct 7 2010 5:05PM
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spkillah.
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I didn't even read this post. I'm done wasting my time with you and the rest of this thread tells me everything I need to know.
Oct 7 2010 5:09PM
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RubberSoul
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anyone dumb enough to believe ive "lost" any arguments in this thread, please feel free to read the thread from the start. if a third party could point out anywhere i was stumped, id be happy to see it. all i can find is me responding to nalgene's bullshit and then him resorting to things like "you made that up" and "youre stupid so theyre cutting your posts off."

dont be so mad cause youve been called out on your bullshit. im sure that ~2% of your earnings has been SUCH a burden on your already difficult life. we have it so hard..
Oct 7 2010 5:11PM
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RubberSoul
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what a surprise, you refuse to respond to anything with any substance in it. take a seat dickwrangler, come back when you have something intelligent to say
Oct 7 2010 5:12PM
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jason...
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well fuck it, the government is giving people the money to buy food, why can't the government choose which foods they can buy? you don't want to be embarassed and in an awkward situation, don't rely on welfare
Oct 7 2010 5:17PM
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spkillah.
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I've responded to you multiple times throughout this thread? I have my own opinion and if you had any intelligence and went back and read through the thread you would realize how much of a jackass you really are.

Even the mods made it so you couldn't type anymore, take a hint or are you too dumb for that too?
Oct 7 2010 5:21PM
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RubberSoul
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haha, ive invited you time and again to respond to the actual estimate i provided, which was much more generous than i needed to be. youve avoided it by resorting to all kinds of other bullshit.

now i dont expect to convince you youre wrong, i just dont want people to read this shit and actually believe your opinions are anything more than assumptions and projections. i mean, you guys have actually tried to tell me that it's easy for everyone to get a decent job in this country.

feel free to drop out of the thread if you cant reply to what i have repeatedly asked you to. not my problem, im gonna keep giving a tiny amount of my earnings to welfare and not getting all pissy about it. stay mad if you want, no sweat off my back

and the mod thing was obviously a joke. guess i shouldve written that in parentheses for our more challenged readers
Oct 7 2010 5:27PM
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pmills
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It's probably worth pointing out the difference between the $3.5 you spend on a gallon of OJ versus the .99 you spend on a 3L of cola instead of taking soda off SNAP, increase the cost of food/beverage with HFCS,and reduce the costs of the healthy alternatives.

Then arguments being made by jackasses like lordofthetrees can be applied to the whole population, and we can actually do something about the health crisis maybe people on SNAP (getting $3/day for 2000 cal.) can afford healthy foods, and we won't have to make these types of 'dumb' laws.
Oct 7 2010 5:27PM
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RubberSoul
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ignorance is bliss.. yet somehow youre still mad
Oct 7 2010 5:28PM
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spkillah.
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haha i'm not mad at all. I think it's funny how much you care about your unintelligent views, but oh well. I think you might care a little bit too much about your opinion and not what others have to say. LOL
Oct 7 2010 5:31PM
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RubberSoul
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oh no! more oppression! i'm beating your baseless claims with actual numbers and stats!

life is so unfair for you!!
Oct 7 2010 5:33PM
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