Rutgers suicide

My problem isn't with you in terms of not feeling they did anything wrong. Yes it was a super dick move, and I actually think they should be punished, but I think it's better handled at the college than in the hands of police. Depending on how stacked up the evidence is. Def do no agree with manslaughter chargers despite how bad their intentions were.

My problem with your post is you make it seem as if he did something wrong.

"The guy was doing gay stuff and it got out. If he couldnt handle it it was his problem for not being able to deal with the repercussions of doing such a thing. "

I seriously hope you were just trolling because that's really a fucked up perspective. Maybe I'm somehow misunderstanding your viewpoint but you're making it seem as though he was doing something wrong by doing anything gay.

Yeah since you're 12 and you haven't lived through anything. I don't agree with suicide either, It would be awesome if it didn't happen. Seriously though, you have never been in his shoes, so how can you begin to even say you would just shrug it off.

Nice asshole response.

This retort was lacking in tact and overall wit, but the point brought across is indeed valid.

Jesus christ you're ignorant.

I wasn't trying to be witty. I was just stating a simple fact. You can't say I would just shrug something off If you have no fucking idea what he's going through. that's a ridiculously stupid response to just say, I wouldn't have killed myself, I would have been like "Oh well that's fine" and not let it bother me.

Arabian, I don't suppose you don't think that there are more in-depth variations of existentialism, that some people may craft to fit their own beliefs than the textbook definition?

Just to get my life view clear for you: (the following will be stated as fact, though it is just my opinion, to make it easier for me to explain) Life is an accident, we come from nothing and return to nothing by accident. However, once we've come, we may as well savor the time until we go. The accident that gave each of us life should be respected, in the least by not ending your own life or another's by conscious decision.

Sartre's existentialism isn't the only version...



Given this, I don't blame the guy who posted the video (though it was not a very nice thing to do) because it was not a conscious decision to kill the guy. On the other hand, the suicidee killed himself well knowing what he was doing, and the consequences of his actions. For that, I do not respect him.


I know I came off as a doucher when I first posted in this thread; I was far too quick to the draw to make my post read anything remotely like what I actually wanted to convey.

As I said before, I didn't catch that his roommates spied on him, but come to think of it, I don't know how they'd have gotten anything to broadcast without spying.

It is entirely possible that society instilled a fear in him, however, some parts of the world, particularly the one I live in, are pretty tolerant. I hate to break it to you, but society will always be heteronormative, because that's the way the moving parts go together. You won't find many animals that reproduce by male-male sex. That said, it's a decision anyone can make for themselves.

Your logic is amazing.

^ yes he should be charged with privacy invasion of some sorts, regardless of the suicide. As far as your post though, he obviously wasn't just joking around and punking him. It's not like hahaha I caught you kissing a fat girl last night. It's a different situation. You obviously don't even get it. His room mate didn't get it either but he was obviously going way over the top to humiliate his room mate hard core. Not even regarding the suicide, you can't call his intentions innocent because they clearly were not.

Also held by Camus, and Nietzsche.

Just for the record to set you straight, not that I agree with this. There are actually laws in place against bullying and some things getting even harsher do to suicides coming from this kind of stuff. And those problems have been with people gay or straight. Not that I agree with him being charged with manslaughter, I'm just saying people would be screaming the same thing if it was a straight girl that got bullied or had people spying on her with their webcams.

Awesome. All these kids that joined ns this year posting ignorance. I can't even respond anymore.

"Seriously who the fuck cares if people see him make out with some dude"

Because there seriously is 0 homophobia in the world and 0 hate for gay people anywhere. He wouldn't have encounter any problems at all regarding this. the fact that nothing would have changed is 100% supported by the fact that his roomy was making fun of him in posts and then set up a web cam and had people join so they could watch him and then make fun of him.

I completely agree with you on that. My view of tolerance in the US is completely skewed by the fact that I live right near San Francisco, and in the world I see every day, being gay is not wrong, it's not even unusual.

I agree with you that society should be more tolerant and accepting, but the fact is it's not, and if every person who was gay and afraid of what the world would say committed suicide, it wouldn't make the world better at all. Arguably, the man in question in this thread did the exact opposite of what the gay population should, and that is to get used to it for the moment, because it will change. San Francisco is not a part of society that is different because it's broken, it's a part of society that is different because it's a few steps into the future.

California is a massive bubble. They may have problems, but it really is the best state for everyone. Move out east a bit, and here in Utah, we're having huge debates about how the Mormon church terrorizes it's gay constituents. It's like the rest of the country (aside from the more cosmopolitan areas) is a good 15 years behind.

I have lived on the east coast, but unfortunately I was still too young to really take in the world around me on that scale.

Because I haven't experienced what you describe, I don't fully understand it... it just seems to me that gay-bashing is socially unacceptable, whereas it appears the opposite is true for the majority of the world. It's messed up, but it'll improve as time goes on

I in no way condone suicide. I've had more than one friend struggle with the issue in the last year. I've gotten calls early morning with friends that were really on the edge thinking about it, and trying to talk them down, and other stuff that I don't want to get into.

Suicide isn't the answer for anyone. The problem is, you don't know a damn thing about this kid or what he was going through. To sit on your high horse because you weren't in this fucked up situation isn't cool. It's far to easy for ignorant people to right any bad situation off as I would have done things differently. And literally just about anyone alive over 20 has considered suicide at one point. Not that they ever decided to go through with it, but had the thoughts in their head. This is a serious issues, stop being such an asshole on the issue. The whole, no matter what life throws at me I would never consider it because I'm better than everyone attitude in this thread is fucked up.

Wow, you really sucked at psychology

Not really, I know what they teach, and I know it's not 100% for sure, for the most part. This is my opinion more than it is my knowledge of psych speaking.

All I really said is that it's difficult for me to wrap my head around because I don't have it in personal experience.

Coming from your posts you're pretty fucking close minded. Not saying you should agree with anyone. you should be entitled to your own opinions, but based on your posts you seem to lack the ability to see where anyone else is coming from. That equals closed mind. Yet after all you've posted you say "just open his mind to see that his opinion isn't necessarily the only one that's valid."

If you haven't considered where other people are coming from, you can't consider yourself open minded.

lol departed, he aint goin on no trip, HE DEAD

There are certain things that just do not compute for me, however on the whole, I generally see what people are saying. That I see it doesn't mean I will agree at all, but I do consider others' opinions. I know it hasn't come through in this thread, because I started it off with a tactless post and then tried to defend it for one or two more, before it became a debate about suicide in which I think I upheld my ideas without being as offensive.

I don't consider myself open minded though, that's where the "isn't it ironic?" came from. Me, a person who doesn't think of themselves as as open minded as they should be, telling someone else to open their mind a bit.