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Rutgers suicide

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/nyregion/01suicide.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1



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Rutgers freshman, Tyler Clementi, committed suicide by jumping off the G.W. Bridge after his roommate secretly filmed him doing stuff a male. The roommate then proceeded to stream this video on the internet, resulting in Tyler killing himself.
Sep 30 2010 10:02PM
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owned
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thats so crazy that you knew him. news of this tragedy made me really sad. i hope his roommate remembers this for the rest of his life.
Sep 30 2010 11:28PM
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Mezmerize19
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Meaning he hid it for a reason.

Not put in a negative light
Sep 30 2010 11:34PM
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MCIRONCOCK
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I fail to understand why anyone should give a flying fuck if another person is gay. I feel the same way about other people's views on religion as i do about gay people: don't shove it in my face and we'll both live happily.
Sep 30 2010 11:37PM
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bitchezluv=]
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have a little respect man
Sep 30 2010 11:37PM
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charmander
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lawl, if somebody uploaded a vid of me doing my girlfriend id be kinda pissed about it, but not suicide pissed.

its not cause hes gay, everybody needs to realize that this kid offed himself, it noones fault but his own.

inb4 karma rape.
Sep 30 2010 11:38PM
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inactive
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if there was a video fucking your girl, thats something that you would be proud of.
maybe the kid doesn't have confidence in his own sexual preference because if he had been watching the news, he would have seen that congress hasn't been showing much support for gays recently. fucking dadt. he was conditioned by society to consider homosexuality to be against everything a man should be.
i hope that made sense
Sep 30 2010 11:53PM
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neutralzombie
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it's not a matter of gender versus sexual orientation whatnot, proud or not proud, pissed or not pissed. this person obviously had underlying issues before the video was released. this isn't about some guy who is gay, it's about someone who has shame about being gay, which is fucking sad. this whole situation is apalling, and that anyone who could imagine that this guy was a fucking retard for feeling emotion, and being unable to cope is just a twat. no one is created perfectly, and there is so much pressure and social stigma towards too many things in society. i think people who bully others to the point of their suicide should probably be prosecuted for something in the least. no one has the right to degrade another person and i don't care under what constitutional right you may think you have. you have to look at the bigger picture here. this isn't someone being a pussy and killing themselves. depression and suicide are major problems in a lot of societies, and everyone is generally guilty of making it worse.
Oct 1 2010 12:00AM
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owned
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thats a load of crap. he offed himself because his asshole roommate put the video on the internet, when it was obvious that he did not wish his sexuality be public.
Oct 1 2010 12:00AM
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what i hate more than anything is when people are self conscious about what they do. gays will be gays and i dont give a fuck about that, but obviously he was embarresed that he was gay so went to the extreme of fucking killing himself. if you do something and are embaressed by it and dont want people to know you do it, then dont fucking do it. and he killed himself? i dont care what the fuck you did, suicide is never the answer, its the pussy way out of everything.
Oct 1 2010 12:03AM
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jibjunkie
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this shit is so fucked up like for real there are so many gay harrasment suicide cases in the news. sending the roomie to jail would be stupid cuz he is going to have a hard enough time living with himself for the rest of his life. and he should be expelled for sure
Oct 1 2010 12:05AM
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charmander
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think of how many people dont kill themselves?

there are a ton of people with worse lives than this kid that dont kill themselves.
Oct 1 2010 12:09AM
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BenWhit
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very blunt, harsh, and vulgar way of putting it, but i completely agree
Oct 1 2010 12:20AM
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-Mugatu
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Its very sad and unfortunate that the guy took his life, because its such a dumb reason to kill yourself. Even if he had confidence issues with his sexuality its a dumb reason to kill yourself. If a gay kid video taped me having sex with a chick and put it online, hell, IF I was gay and some fucker filmed me doin shit, there are SO many better ways to deal with it.

Is the guy who taped him a asshole? yeah he is. Its early in the school year, he probably didnt know the kid super well, who could see that outcome? (Not saying he just did it as a joke)-but say he was just fuckin around with the kid punking him.. He thinks its all just a joke, he doesnt know the kid that well and didnt know how he would take it. then bam, he does that.

The guy who filmed it obviously feels more than any of us know, and Im sure that is punishment enough. Does he deserve to get charged? yeah with the invasion of privacy and anything else he could get charged with if the kid didn't kill himself yet pressed charges on him for filming it.

That concludes my opinion on this.

To answer the main question- He should only be charged with what he could be charged with if the kid didn't kill himself and just pressed charges on him.
Oct 1 2010 12:23AM
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DoublyDeeze
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Actually it did give HIM a reason to kill himself
Oct 1 2010 12:26AM
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Muhammad
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You sir, are entirely correct.  Anybody who disagrees with you should reevaluate their opinions.
Oct 1 2010 12:26AM
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Flozz
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Mostly agreed.

Somewhat ironic the people going on about gay equality (with which I agree completely btw) appear to be those screaming that they should be charged with manslaughter or whatever.

IMO if they are gonna be charged it should be in line with what anybody else who secretly films (gay or not) and posts this kinda shit gets.
Oct 1 2010 12:26AM
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Flozz
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Mostly agreed.

Somewhat ironic the people going on about gay equality (with which I agree completely of course) appear to be those screaming that they should be charged with manslaughter or whatever.

IMO if they are gonna be charged it should be in line with what anybody else who secretly films (gay or not) and posts this kinda shit gets.
Oct 1 2010 12:27AM
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wasatch_rat
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that really is so fucking sad. i'm sure he had underlying issues, but the fact that being exposed as gay is what put him over the edge is a tragedy. says something about how unwelcoming our society still is towards gays. really really sad story
Oct 1 2010 12:32AM
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.Ben
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finally a reasonable post. Maybe charged with spying or whatever it was that he was already charged with but he is in no way responsible for the death of that kid. He didn't really do anything that bad. Seriously who the fuck cares if people see him make out with some dude. There were obviously some underlying issues that were beyond the roommates control or maybe just more to the story that caused him to commit suicide.
Oct 1 2010 12:36AM
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neutralzombie
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i find this an interesting standpoint; that is, saying his shame is enough to cope with. should then everyone be left unpunished to consider their "mistakes?" should people not be put in jail for their crime, or fined? i guess calling manslaughter is probably an irrational, sudden decision based purely on emotions, but i mean, i'd be willing to let this guy be made an example of.
i'm surprised not a lot of you know, but there was a case of an 11 year old who hung himself because of internet bullying, and being called gay all the time. i'm not sure what the follow up was on that, but then i guess everyone should be punished if one is.

anyways.
Oct 1 2010 12:37AM
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Shreddysaurus
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Shut up!!
Oct 1 2010 1:46AM
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dr.awkward
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man, there is some of you have some serious lackage of empathy. Suicide is serious stuff. what these people go thru is very real. if you have some time and want to know what i mean, check out this doc on youtube (trailer here, links to vid on the side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwl-Pa_QT0M). His internal struggle should not be trivialized just because you think you could handle the situation.
Oct 1 2010 1:48AM
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jason...
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Someones private life is just that, their private life. People need to learn to respect that.
Oct 1 2010 1:50AM
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corona
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I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, all the sympathy in the world to him and his family + friends.. buuut

I agree with the comment about him being a pussy, and every other person who commits suicide. It's a horribly selfish thing to do that gets absolutely nothing accomplished and is just the cowards way out of facing real problems.  You grow some fucking balls and deal with your shit instead of committing suicide. And think of what he's doing to his family and friends, mostly his parents by doing that?  I mean how absolutely horrible would you feel being the mother or father of a kid and having them commit suicide. You have to be one selfish mother fucker to do that to your parents. After all the work they put into you. They gave you life. You can honestly man the fuck up and live that life to the fullest. Not just for yourself, but to make their efforts worth it. Not saying your life is being lived for someone else, but to have the 'gift of life' is kind of an incredibly rare phenomenon that you don't just chuck away willingly.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but people who commit suicide are pussies wanting the easy way out.  It's life. There is no easy way out. You keep on truckin and keep your shit together.
Oct 1 2010 2:01AM
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PeterWojnar
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It's not punishment for being gay. It's punishment for being a coward.

I know some people don't want their intimate relations privy to the outside world, (I missed the bit about installing a camera in his room).

Still, I have NO SYMPATHY for people who commit suicide just because it's the easy way out of an uncomfortable situation.
Oct 1 2010 2:03AM
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PeterWojnar
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For the record, I've got nothing against gay people. I should have made it clear in my first post that I lost all respect for him when I read the word suicide, not when I read the word gay.
Oct 1 2010 2:04AM
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neutralzombie
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dude, you have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about.
Oct 1 2010 2:13AM
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PeterWojnar
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There is always a better option than suicide. It's not always easier, but it's always there. I have no respect for people who think that ending their ONLY life is a viable solution to any problem. Ever.
Oct 1 2010 2:20AM
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Rockhound
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i would call this more than an uncomfortable situation, try persecution, discrimination, life embarrassment. it also has to do with trust, he trusted his roommate, and what happened, his roommate effectivly excommunicated him from the rest of the college by publicly humiliating him.
Oct 1 2010 2:22AM
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my_username
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This is why arabian is on ns.

To shower us with enlightenment.
Thank you and good job.
Oct 1 2010 2:27AM
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PeterWojnar
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are you suggesting that embarrassment is reason enough for suicide? I know plenty of openly gay people who live normal lives just like anyone else. His roommate may have given others an pretty bad excuse to discriminate, however it is nothing he couldn't live through. Maybe living near San Francisco gives me a warped version of how tolerant people are on the whole, but there is NEVER a reason to take your own life, ever. That's where I stand.

You can convince me with a smidgeon of evidence that he was caused more than just embarrassment, but you can never change my opinion on suicide.
Oct 1 2010 2:27AM
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neutralzombie
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there is no argument that there are better solutions than suicide. but unless you've ever been suicidal, you shouldn't be so judgemental. i think it takes major balls to stare death in the face and walk that line. i'm not glorifying it, nor condoning it, but like fuck would i ever have the courage or mercy to do it to myself. you have to be in one hell of a pit to be that unhappy, and to call someone a coward for their inability to think rationally, unknowingly, is in my opinion, a terrible thing to say. you have to have an overwhelming amount of self awareness, patience and diligence to combat something that's pulled you in that deep.
Oct 1 2010 2:28AM
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PeterWojnar
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Fair point, I myself have never been suicidal.

That said, my opinion remains firm that suicide is a shit answer to any problem. Irrational thought is not a good enough excuse for me to think that suicide was justifiable, just like irrational thought is not a good enough excuse to justify murder.

Oct 1 2010 2:30AM
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PeterWojnar
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Also, in my opinion, you have to lack the self awareness and courage to combat something so deep in order to be pulled that deep. By logic, therefore, the only people who can be pulled that deep are the people who lack the control over their minds (which always run rampant) to get out.

Still not an excuse, in my mind.
Oct 1 2010 2:33AM
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my_username
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Theres a way to make a good situation out of every bad situation.
Oct 1 2010 2:40AM
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neutralzombie
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ehh. it happens to everyone for different reasons. everyone pretty much has their weaknesses without being fully aware of them too. unhappiness and depression are very tricky, and you're ruled by chemical imbalances which can make rational thinking harder.

suicide is not an excuse, but imo, there's no excuse no to have any sympathetic feelings towards that person.
Oct 1 2010 2:44AM
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dr.awkward
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actually there's such a thing as an insanity plea, smart guy. you're just a plain dickhead. Have you ever heard of schizophrenia? bipolar disorder? manic depression?? Just because you think you have the 'self awareness' to overcome suicidal thoughts doesn't mean everyone else does. FYYyyuauauauck I find it so ironic that people can still be unsympathetic towards victims of suicide when usually all that was needed to save those victims in the first place was a little sympathy.
Oct 1 2010 2:46AM
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PeterWojnar
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I see where you're coming from, and I sympathize with the guy's friends and family, who've had to deal with losing a loved one. I still don't think that I'd give the dead guy in the coffin my condolences though. I'm an existentialist and don't think there's a reason we're here in the first place, but that doesn't mean that there's a reason why we should leave before we have to. If someone is hit by a bus, it's a tragic incident, but if someone jumps in front of a bus deliberately, I think it is the cause of lack of respect for the life that by some crazy fluke was bestowed upon them. Not something you should waste, and if I look down on people for wasting in the form of throwing things in the trash instead of recycling, you can bet your ass that I'll look down on people for wasting the single most valuable thing they ever get.
Oct 1 2010 2:49AM
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PeterWojnar
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I know there's an insanity plea. My post implies I think it's built on the foundation of slippery diarrhea.

As for psychological diseases, I have heard of them, and know enough about them to get by. That's what taking a psychology course does for you. I know, in theory, that people lose all control of self and do dumb stuff. Thing is, it hasn't happened to me, and I can't wrap my mind around it. To me, suicide is nothing more than the lack of motivation to pull one's self out of a rut.

You know as well as I that for most suicidees (I refuse to call them victims, it's self-inflicted with a purpose and will to die), a small amount of self-trust and motivation would pull them out of the slump.

The willingness to die is something I do not, and doubt I ever will understand unless I myself find my way towards it.
Oct 1 2010 2:55AM
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neutralzombie
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you should probably go hit those books again.
Oct 1 2010 2:56AM
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Arabian.
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>I'm an existentialist
>>Life is not something you should waste
>>>Existentialist
>>>>Respect for life.


GTFO you 16 year old. You don't even know what you're talking about.
Oct 1 2010 2:59AM
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PeterWojnar
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That your opinion regarding life's purpose or religion doesn't coincide with mine has nothing to do with my intelligence, or yours. It is entirely possible for someone to believe that life is a fluke and completely pointless but not something to waste without being an idiot who blindly follows any idea they think is cool.

Just because you think you have the high moral ground does not make you right, however it doesn't necessarily make me right either. You're pissed because you don't agree with my life view, so cool off a bit. If you expect me to be completely alright with sexual orientations that differ from mine, I expect you to be alright with a life view different from yours.
Oct 1 2010 7:35PM
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Muhammad
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You do realize that you're arguing with Arabian right?  It's a foregone conclusion that you are going to lose.
Oct 2 2010 1:17AM
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PeterWojnar
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I do, and I know Arabian will hold out longer than I. I don't want to beat him, just open his mind to see that his opinion isn't necessarily the only one that's valid.

Ironic, isn't it?
Oct 2 2010 1:54AM
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Muhammad
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No.  He has the only valid opinion. 

Don't make me torture you.

Oct 2 2010 2:09AM
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Arabian.
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You just proved your own argument wrong, above.

It IS entirely possible to think that life is a fluke and pointless. So, considering this pointlessness, what does it matter to you, as an existentialist, if someone commits suicide. Frankly, taking ones life into one's own hands can be considered braver than those who aren't man enough to get over with something that's inevitable, from an existentialist point of view, of course.

That is, of course, if they are conscious of the decision they are making. But we're not all existentialists. Either way, he should not have been caused undue harm by his criminal roommates (and they are criminal for spying and broadcasting porn), and he killed himself because of the fear heteronormative society has instilled within him.
Oct 2 2010 2:42AM
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MEGAZORD
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is astounding.
Oct 2 2010 2:52AM
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theabortionator
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Disagree, but they really should step up the game. they need a solid mix of helping people out, but at the same time not going over the top just because somebody complains. It seems to end up one way or another, Either anyone who complains about the smallest bullshit get's hooked up or the people who really need some assistance get fucked over.I wouldn't say they should try them for manslaughter in anyway. Though It's wrong what they did, I feel trying them like that would be wrong as well. They should take the matter seriously though
Oct 2 2010 2:56AM
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MEGAZORD
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They are now being tried for a hate crime. Its all over for them now.
Oct 2 2010 2:58AM
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MEGAZORD
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Well, one of them is an asian chick, not a big deal for her i guess.
Oct 2 2010 3:00AM
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