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Gasoline = Gone in 20 years

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ErikT
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That's right, of all the known oil in the world, if it is all used up at the current rate, and the demand doesnt go up (which is highly unlikely) we have approx. 20 years left of oil. Just to let you all know, maybe you will use it more conservatively, if not to protect the environment, then to lessen the demand and waste of it.

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May 7 2004 9:24PM
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lenzner
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It's cool to see companies developing new sources for energy. On a business trip I visited Statoil, an oil company based in Norway. They told us that they have plans to use tidal energy. So basically they plan to put what would be a series of windmills in the ocean that uses the water current. How effective these 'tidalmills' would be, is a good question.
May 8 2004 3:43PM
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lenzner
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For my above post

May 8 2004 3:56PM
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twix_182
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haha, as it chops up schools of fish. idea, it can also slaughter fish so that now the fishing industry will grow

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May 8 2004 4:03PM
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skiierman
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/\ yeah what happens if a whale gets caught in that?


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May 8 2004 4:29PM
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freeride1260
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you would hope they would have barriers of some kind


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May 8 2004 4:34PM
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snowforblood
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yea solar panels are definitely the most non-efficient way of doing things. I am definitely going to start riding a bike a lot, because when I was in europe people over there drive as little as they possibly can, and not just because the gas is about $4-5 a gallon, its because its not hard to walk or bike to somewhere thats within three miles if you think about it. we are so damn lazy here, like i usually drive to my friends house thats only about 6-12 blocks away or whatever. we drive way to damn much. i am gonna jog or bike everywhere now. plus i will get fit as shit n save money.
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May 8 2004 5:07PM
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volpetrolski
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it's a bit more complicated then '20 years of oil and all cars will stop'. We will have oil for a longer time then that; the only thing that will change is the quantity we will have. The estimatedd peak of oil production will be within the first 5 tot 10 years. From then more advanced, work-intensive and therefore more expensive techniques will be needed to drill for more oil. (you can compare it to squeezing a spunge somemore, which costs more energy to do)
Nevertheless, quantities will lower, and prices will raise further and further on. My biggest worry in this matter is the following: will the world industry still have the funds and resources to switch their engine (which runs mostly on fuel) to another energy source? I fear it may be too late when we realize it.
May 10 2004 6:28AM
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Adrenaline
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they did an article on ocean powered turbines in either newsweek or popular science in the last month that was an interesting read. i don't remember which one though, i've read too many magazines lately to remember.


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May 10 2004 6:40AM
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d-loc
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go buy the Honda Civic GX, it runs only off Natural-gas. still the same size as old civics, same hp (100hp), dame look and everything. only difference is it runs off natural gas. now that some killer shit now aint it?



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May 10 2004 10:54AM
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Adrenaline
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hmmm. no to honda's. if they make subaru's that still run as long and are as dependable with the same or more horsepower, and i'll be in line to buy one.
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May 10 2004 11:21AM
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Ski-hobo
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It would be nice if there were more diesel car alternatives.
May 10 2004 12:47PM
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freeskiing04
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yeah diesel is like 30 cents cheaper than normal gas... but what i think is that prices will get so high that no one will be able to afford buying gas, and we'll have a little bit left that will stay there forever.
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May 10 2004 12:59PM
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Ski-hobo
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Well Diesel give cars greater gas milege.
May 10 2004 1:09PM
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221
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diesel also gives of more nitrogen oxide emmissions due to their high compression ratios. Hydrogen is NOT a fuel in its own right, it is merely an energy storage medium, meaning it takes about as much energy to produce hydrogen as it releases when used. Currenty, all commercially produced hydrogen comes from natural gas, which does zilch to solve our problems. hydro is renewable, but still jacks up the environment, solar is expensive, wind is ugly and inconsistent, geothermal has potential but only certain places can do it. For consistent large scale power, I'd say nuclear is a nessessary evil for now, we could always bury the waste in Sweden.

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May 10 2004 1:59PM
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nilzlet
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The guy who said we should be like the people in europe and bike more is right. just think of how few fat people there would be in the us if we did that.

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May 10 2004 4:04PM
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t-roy
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gas prices here just hit 2.10. what the crap.

bush is probably getting filthy rich from these higher gas prices. same thing happened with peanut prices and jimmy carter.

last year i researched this new machine that can turn anything into oil and loads of other stuff. i found that you could put in cow poo and get a bunch of oil out of it by rearranging the structure of the atoms inside it. cool stuff.




May 10 2004 7:35PM
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ErikT
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Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future

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May 10 2004 7:37PM
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3ski6guy0
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DRILL IN ALASKA!! has anything good come from alaska?? no. we should change the name to Land O' Oil and evacuate or nuke everyone living in there currently.


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May 10 2004 7:39PM
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ErikT
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*Side Note* The Bush Administration made a deal with the leader of Saudi Arabia before we went to war with Iraq. The deal was that they showed him the US's War Plan on Iraq and he would lower prices before the election. If you dont believe me, check out Bob Woodward's new book (hes the dude that uncovered the Watergate scandal.) What's really disgusting is that they showed him the plan before showing Colon Powell, the damn Secretary of State.

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May 10 2004 7:49PM
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SmoKinSkier
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Wow Samck u r the retard very close minded...u think u know it all but are mostly wrong...I agree hydrogen cars r not the answer but not for ur reasons. And u obviously are oblivious to how a govt runs i promise you we will be fine come 20 years so shut the fuck up and quit callin ppl retards becuase they are more intelligent than you




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May 10 2004 7:53PM
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Ski-hobo
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good points 221.
May 10 2004 7:55PM
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jtski
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they made these solar lights in my town for like a new york state experiment or something, and they cost like 300,000$ they are ugly as FUCK and they dont work good



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May 10 2004 8:35PM
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mackinnon
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i am so friggin tired of this topic.


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May 10 2004 8:50PM
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theBOSS.
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a few years back there was a guy who invented a carborator that got 95 miles to the gallon. What happened, the gas companies bought him out and most likely had him killed or something.

greed comes before the well being of our planet, ya know
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May 10 2004 9:00PM
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samck89
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ok first of all your right, i shouldnt have called you a retard, when i made that post, i was tired, whether your smarter than me or not, it was stupid of me to pass your ideas off as retarted without really giving them any thought.

anyways,i agree, in 20 years well be allright, but were going to run into major problems sooner or later. although i dont know a lot about politics, i dont think the attitude that the government has all the answers and theyll fix it when it needs fixing is a very good one.
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May 10 2004 9:10PM
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Ski-hobo
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solor panels are kinda like computers, each year there componets get smaller and smaller, and each year a solar panel can create more energy per square inch. With advancements in nano technolagy, solar panels may become so efficient that we'll be able to render Hydrogen without the use of fossil fuels and create electiristy for houses in sunny climates.
May 10 2004 9:14PM
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jarossamdb7
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WE are never gonna run outta oil! we could just have a war, then all the people we kill will eventually turn intio oil (fossile fules)
^that was scarcasim although I guess it would work but we would need to figure out a way to speed up time... (sounds to me just as likley as having oil 50 years from now, well, mabey a little less....)




about the hidrogen theing: WINDMILLS/OCEAN MILLS/WHATEVERTHEFUCK THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!

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May 10 2004 9:17PM
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Cyclone
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about the diesel thing. there are already diesel engines that run on some sort of vegtable oil. hydrogen cars cant happen because its just more steps to pollution as someone else in this post put it. But i think that a good deal of us should be using hybrid cars because its still as convienent as using a real car but it is much much more efficient. the big problem with every body is getting them to change (metric system). people dont want to have to change abruptly but if we can ween our selfs off of gas to hybrids and then to some other energy source, be it electricity or some other source that we will find in the future that would work. o shit i can believe i wrote that much.


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May 10 2004 9:24PM
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jarossamdb7
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HOLEY SHIT! hidrogen cars CAN happen! read my post! we just need people to accept windmills and for people to get more efficent appliances and shit!

and yes people need to STOP FUCKING! (unless she is on birth control or he uses a condom!)

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May 10 2004 9:40PM
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WANG>>>> who gives a fuck !!


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May 10 2004 9:42PM
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Cyclone
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HOLY SHIT! jarossamdb7 did u not read the rest of my post. it is at least improbbable if not impossible to make people just switch over and change. you might but average joe wont.


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May 10 2004 9:44PM
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jarossamdb7
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it did not seem like that was what you were refering to. plus the avrage joe would if there wasn;t any more fossile fules (or if gas was for example $3/gal and hidrogen was 1/gal....) sorry i over-reacted

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May 10 2004 9:52PM
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KootenayGuy
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theres oil off in the beaufort sea, in Canadian waters, the yanks are after it and claim its THIER property if ones borders were by magnetic north. The thing is , the borders dont go magnetic north, they go the way borders normally go over water. we'll see what kind of hardball they try to pull. But yeah, its sad that the only way humanity can cut down on oil and fossil fuels is if theres none left, fuck the environment eh? go live in a desert.
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May 10 2004 10:29PM
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ilovehead
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It's all US's fault... if they didn't spend like millions of gallons of oil everyday for military use in the east... then we wouldn't be lacking in so much
May 10 2004 10:33PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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some points:
- you have to do more than change power sources for cars... think power plants, planes, ships etc..

- the first person writing about population and food supplies was incompetent... the were in a global economy, if there is a famine in china or india, world food prices will go throuhg the roof.

- to the second person writing about food supplies and population and peak world population: were closer than you think to the peak i think. world water supplies, deep aquifer supplies (similar to oil) are not immediately replenishable, and are being quickly used up. farmers in china are drilling down 4000 feet for water. china is self sufficient as far as grain production goes right now and when there water dries up, so will their food. and when china runs out of its own food theyre going to look to the good ol breadbasket of the world, us. then we get some good ol supply and demand action, super high food prices, starving poor people around the world... problems. india isnt far behind china in this regard.

- to anyone who thinks there are no problems: get your head out of your ass, and think about the rest of the world instead of just your own interests. your self involved egoism is... well its disgusting. so fuck you.
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May 10 2004 10:33PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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oh and since im angry at whistlers rails for braking me


canada uses more oil per capita
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May 10 2004 10:36PM
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ilovehead
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At least it's not used for blowing people up
May 10 2004 10:42PM
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Cyclone
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hey asshole dont make it about that. keep on topic stupid. infact most americans dont want to be in war with iraq so get your facts straight.


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May 11 2004 12:07AM
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aclsarescary
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This is the plan to save the planet from global worming/drilling in alaska/invading countries for oil:

The first thing is to start driving Diesel cars...many trucks are diesel and M_Benz & VW also have diesel cars...with simple modifications you can start running your car off vegtable oil(which you can get free from McDonalds) Buy a little bio-diesel(a true vegtable based diesel-no gasolleen/oil involved) used to get your car started.

This will take dependence off oil and will hopefully make gas companies to start producing it.

May 11 2004 12:42AM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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then you go read my post and PLan B by lester brown and realize that we dont have enough food to feed ourselves, let alone our cars.
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May 11 2004 12:53AM
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volpetrolski
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^true. the good thing about bio'oil (bit of a paradox but what the heck) is that it cycles C02 from plants to diesel to C02 to plants and so on. So it doesn't raise the C02 level more. If we wanted to produce oil for global needs tough, I think we need another planet to grow it on.

Don't think diesel is clean tough. It may produce less C02 than gas, it puts other toxins in the air like sulfur composed molecules and soot-compositions. I didn't know the right translations for that ;).

But in my humble opinion, I think your country could you use a serious upgrade in the bus and railsystem, am I right?
May 11 2004 1:46AM
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Rossi00
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Show me some real fuckin figures and info on oil running out then I will believe you. Until then shut your ass up cuz we been using it up since 1903. The world will not be shut down due to a shortage for a very long time to come.


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May 11 2004 2:19AM
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volpetrolski
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check out www.hubbertpeak.com dude. There you can find the figures you're asking for.
Offcourse you can argue it's just a theory, but I would rather be on the safe side. Once it's too late, there is no turning back anymore.
May 11 2004 2:35AM
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OpIvy
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And why should we try to conserve a natural resource like oil? It is there to be used, its doing no good just sitting in the ground, just use it up and get on with the next form of energy. There's no sense in not using something that is readily available.

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May 11 2004 9:05AM
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jarossamdb7
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there is no key for that map! also, it would be good to seewhat it is being used for. (cars? indutreal? what????)

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May 11 2004 10:05AM
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221
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diesel pollutes more than gas and comes from crude oil. bio diesel is renewable but still pollutes hardcore and is a waste of perfectly good food.

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May 11 2004 10:54AM
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volpetrolski
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^^^ you don't have to conserve it, it's just that there are better uses for then just burning it.
May 11 2004 11:46AM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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for the mnap: darker = more oil usage...
and using up all the oil is stupid, why not use all the air or food or water... this is just bible thumping bullshit... the 'god put us here and put is on top' idea...
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May 11 2004 4:18PM
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jarossamdb7
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I am sure that many of the people arguing that it is bs are not religous. on the other hand I am sure some of them are. -yes! god put the oil for us to use it! and he put the ozone here for us to demolish it! hooooray!

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May 11 2004 6:35PM
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Ryno
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solar panels are not fesiable now until they become more efficant then like 5%
wind farms seem to be all the range in northern europe with Nation Wind Power or sumthing like that hoping to have 10% of northern europe powered by wind farms. and what better plave for em then in the ocean...

and if oil does follow a Hubberts Peak we should be screwed almost 2x as fast as the upscale of the bell graph becasue rising population and commerical needs put way more strain on the same amount of oil production in 2020 as in 1980 (just using 2000 as the peak of the graph for an example)
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