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Thoughts on park segments

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wasatch_rat
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so i was thinking about park segments, and i think production companies could save a lot of money and still put out banger segments if they actually filmed in everyday public parks

just about all park shots in big movies are on enormous features, 90+ foot kickers, rail setups with huge gaps onto or off of the rail, and all of these take a lot of money to shoot. between building the feature and closing off the run for the film company, and then a lot of times these features can't be hit because of the weather, thats gotta be expensive.

why not just shoot in a normal park more often? snowboard movies tend to do this more, and the segments come out just as good, with a lot more creative shots. i think shooting in normal parks encourages riders to get creative, instead of just banging out some gnarly trick on a huge feature. look at adam delorme, he absolutely murders breck day in and day out, but his part in movies is usually pretty short because its all on enormous custom features. honestly i think i got more stoked on his shots in the jibberish movie, which was all on public parks, than in refresh (haven't seen eye trip yet).

sparknotes: filming in public parks would be cheaper, and would encourage creativity, i think more companies should do this. discuss
Sep 23 2010 4:27PM
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FUUUCK
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because so many edits are put out from those same parks, when you shoot on unique features you get unique shots.
Sep 23 2010 4:29PM
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quixotic
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I think what makes ski movies dope and worth the money is the fact that they are shot on unique, massive features that you don't see online everyday in every other edit.
Sep 23 2010 4:34PM
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Elmo.
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i can agree with this.. sometimes i like to see ppl say an everyday too though
Sep 23 2010 4:37PM
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quixotic
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Yeah. But there are tons upon tons of edits released online throughout the season and summer months from camps of pro's and top AM's slaying everyday set ups. If I'm paying $30, I want to see something I haven't seen before.
Sep 23 2010 4:40PM
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A.Eberhard
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The huge features is what makes it unique, I see enough of breck and keystone on the NS video so if I'm going to pay I want to see some big jumps and unique features.
Sep 23 2010 4:45PM
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wasatch_rat
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good point. however, a lot of the "super pros" don't put out edits in normal parks, but still murder them. all you need is a guy filming and it adds footage to an otherwise short part. for that footage to be movie worthy though, it would have to be creative and different from the stuff in everyday edits, thus encouraging the best pros to get creative. again i look to delorme, where i think a lot of his best shots are in normal parks, because he has the talent to do them differently.
Sep 23 2010 4:46PM
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Jibberino
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I definately see what you mean. There is only a limited amount of novelty to a 630 out of a cannon rail, even though it's a sick trick. I think a mix of the two would be the way to go. Like you say, we need some more creativity in hitting normal "everyday" features. Look at people like B-Dog or Max Hill (just to span the whole spectre), the way they look at features is always new and fresh, and always makes for innovative and sick tricks. But i guess it might be a bit of a gamble for the film companies. They only have a limited amount of time to film with the riders, and even in spite of weather and other things, they can feel pretty confident in getting shots on custom features. Maybe what it takes is for the riders to be confident in being able to deliver unique shots on normal park features, and maybe insist on adding this to their respective segments. Well i hope this will happen, but i guess we'll have to wait and see.

Over and out!
Sep 23 2010 4:47PM
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wasatch_rat
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exactly, i'm not saying huge jump sessions and super park shoots should be eliminated, but i think a lot of riders could spice up their segments with creative shots in public parks.
Sep 23 2010 4:52PM
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LivinOuttaBounZ
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I love everything skiing.

good thoughts...

Sep 23 2010 7:02PM
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downhillkilla
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my thoughts on park segments (have done 8 over the last few years) are that one of coolest things about them is that you can go build features at different parts of the mountain, you can build gaps over chairs, in base areas, and on major runs which you could never build during mid season....

Sep 23 2010 7:08PM
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thesheik
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right bacj where we started vs. refresh/edias etc. there is a need and want for both
Sep 23 2010 7:15PM
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crankdatsoljaboy
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the setups are for something , theres rarely one feature in a park thats worth being in a movie , plus they dont close the trail for the shoots , the majority are when the mountains are closed
Sep 23 2010 7:18PM
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WIllW
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I agree. No shame in a park shot here or there if it's a cool trick or shot that you can't get in pow or urban areas.
Sep 23 2010 7:35PM
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crankdatsoljaboy
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yup thats one cool thing about meatheads
Sep 23 2010 7:36PM
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FUUUCK
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the only skiers I can think of who don't put out edits in "normal parks" are TJ Schiller and Russ Henshaw. It seems like everyone has a webisode or videoblog or is in some edit these days.

I think big ski movies are the last place where you can see some really crazy shit being hit, park feature wise. I would rather not have some parts be watered down by features that were in every videoblog and edit months earlier.

Not saying I'm 100% against the idea, just don't feel that's the way ski movies should go.
Sep 23 2010 9:13PM
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SNOWPARKCHlLE
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with bigger jump you can see bigger tricks and is so much better to watch custom features in the movies......if not, i will be in breck all day watching the park and then it will be the same in the movie...boring!
and i think like an example level 1 dont need to pay to keystone for make a park shoot because they are giving promotion puting keystone logo in the movie...
so really im not agree with you dude...and also that make the difference between am movies and pro movies..thats it
Sep 23 2010 9:50PM
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Drail
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but, wasn't part of your argument stating that it would be cheeper to film in a public park and not have a private shoot on custom jumps? now you say they should keep the private shoot? that wouldn't save them any money.



i am most likely part of the minority on this one, but i that that "pro" videos shouldn't have any park at all... no public park shots, no private shoots... you want to see footage of skier X hitting a jump, that jump should be in the backcountry, rails should be urban. it gives the rider a kind of mystique... a perception that only he (or she) is talented enough to actually hit said feature. that's always been my problem with bike videos. the fact that the trail they are riding exists (with the amount of effort it took to build the trail), means that many many people are skilled enough to bike the trail, loosing it's awe.
Sep 23 2010 10:18PM
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Willard
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ski movies used to.....
Sep 23 2010 10:21PM
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wasatch_rat
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admittedly i could have worded that better. but i think that a balance of the two could be cheaper than most park segments now which consist of only private sessions. so like one less private enormous jump in favor of a couple public park sessions
Sep 23 2010 10:50PM
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jca
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i agree darryl. Im way more impressed by a trick on urban or in the bc. Although so much more effort goes into each shot, it just makes the shot that much more impressive. +There are endless possibilities for different features in the BC or urban, creating much more diversity.
Sep 23 2010 10:52PM
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Cthulhu
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didnt read all of it but its an interesting thought, yes it would save money allowing for longer movies aswell as inspiring kids to be more creative at there home hill, but i wouldnt want to watch an entire move of hills i could ski, i think it would only work if there was a good balance of custom built massive jumps and just everyday park cruising
Sep 23 2010 10:53PM
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WVskiing
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Uhhhh?? So Far So Hood is your answer here and it is one of the sickest movies if 09 IMO
Sep 23 2010 11:02PM
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Schlop
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This is why I love TC so much
Sep 23 2010 11:11PM
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ReetsAdeets
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What about the whole secret trail thing? I agree that its less crazy to see them throwing down on A Line, but it still has that special feeling when they are riding on some crazy trail that they built themselves. Its kind of like custom park features: they build something crazy that for the most part, only they can hit (at least well), and get filmed on it.
Sep 23 2010 11:25PM
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