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hoodratz47
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which one do u think is better... i think wood.. lasts a hellov alot longer.. and is much more damp


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wood.....even though i have foam core skis


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J.D.
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Carbon, unless cost is one of the deciding factors, in which case the THC in Scratches is pretty damn sweet. Aside from that, wood. But obviously carbon should be the best. That being said, I've never skiied on them, although I've seen them and flexed them a bit. I'm told they don't break down or lose that pop either.


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May 2 2004 10:58PM
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wood fosho, i love the woodness in my pe's

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May 2 2004 11:39PM
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carbon of course, but in reality i can afford wood which is good in the hood.

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May 2 2004 11:51PM
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hoodratz47
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wood is really nice.stuff. ive never skied on carbon and i dont plan to shell out my left nut to ski on them..



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May 3 2004 12:02AM
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DB is my dream ski right now... the one I wish I could have but it's totally out of reach.


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May 3 2004 12:04AM
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I don't think anyone besides DB is making a ski that just has carbon in the core. The Lines have wood and carbon. Personally I don't really feel that big of a difference in the skis. I'd say wood is probably the most durable but I've never actaully skied wood core. I skis 25 days on foam core skis this year and everyone said they'd soften up but they didn't one bit so I was stoked about that. Foam is great and it is lighter which reduces swing wieght which is a nice benefit.

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May 3 2004 12:34AM
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hoodratz47
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then you must weigh like 10 pounds



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May 3 2004 12:41AM
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i'm curious as to how DB did this year. i want to ski a pair really bad, but affording them is a different story



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May 3 2004 2:14AM
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UTmeathead
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Carbon is a joke. Yeah it makes the skis lighter, but it also causes them to shear, in which case the ski will eventually snap. Goode has been making carbon skis for years, heard anyhting from them? Didn't think so.
Wood is the only way to go, it's the most durable core material out there, and will keep it's camber the longest. Maple is probably the best.
Foam is just a cheaper way to make skis, don't beleive the hype.
May 3 2004 2:39AM
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shasta
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wood is tried and tested, and has proven to be the choice of all the best skis. foam is a joke - ski on a pair of 1080s for a solid week and u'll see why. i really cant say much for carbon, as i've never skied it, but i'm not gonna morgage my house for a pair of skis any day soon....


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May 3 2004 6:43AM
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FortSkier
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You are fuking idiot, goode skis and DB skis have totally a different method of layering the carbon fibre. Go to www.dbskis.com and go read it for yourself. Carbon Fibre is 40% more torsionaly stiffer than any wood core and probably 80% to foam cores. These skis will literaly last you forever, if core shot do.
So I suggest you shut the fuk up before you compare carbon to wood if you never skied them asshole.
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May 3 2004 3:09PM
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h3ofilms
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^ ive never ski'd a carbon fiber ski, but a friend of mine has a GOODE carbon fiber slalom waterski. 1100 retail without bindings. insane. My connelly waterski is also carbon fiber, and the tech is almost the same amongst both
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May 3 2004 3:15PM
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May 3 2004 3:23PM
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wood is def the way to go



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May 3 2004 3:27PM
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FortSkier
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all you people who say wood cores are hurt assses and cant aford carbon fiber skis or never skied them, Once you do you will never go back. Read the fuking DB website its a tottaly different way they lay the carbon fiber on which makes it super strong.
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May 3 2004 3:29PM
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shootr
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Reading what it says on a company website about how superior their particular product is and taking that as gospel is ignorant.
I have worked with carbon fibre and carbon composites for over a decade. Carbon has it's place in a lot of things. However one of carbon fibre laminates LEAST promising features is its ability to withstand repetitive flexions.
Its greatest strengths are in tension. and in certain designs torsional stiffness of carbon composites are extremely high.
In most carbon layups its max. elongations are below 1% before it fails.. however to reach those elongations requires trememdous force.
In a ski this translates to an extremely stiff ski.. both torsionally and longitudinally. We all want a stiff ski, but I know that all skis flex..and these repeated flexions can and WILL result in eventual failure of the the material.
Carbon in my opinion should be reserved for competition race skis.. where the maximal performance not cost or longetivity is the primary concern..
I think a park ski in carbon is NOT a wise investment.
However that said, I do believe that carbon has it's place IN the core.. to aid in developing certain flex characteristics.. I just don't believe it should BE the core.

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May 3 2004 4:38PM
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May 3 2004 5:05PM
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FortSkier
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Okay dude, the main and almost only reason I love carbon fiber is the weight,. The things are fuking feather weight, no wood core comes even close by being that light weight. Take for example the 200cm Igneous FFF(120mm) and the 186 DB Tabla Rasa (118) The Tabla Rasa weighs in at 7.2 pounds a pair. The Ingeous almost 13 pounds. My 189 pistols weight 10.5 pounds and not even close to those dimmensions.
Carbon Fiber is the future dawg. Look at what every skier doing mount everest is riding........custom made carbon firber skis that are extremely light weight and custom flexed. I dont know about you but I want a ski that I can skin up the mountains without feeling fatiqued of a heavy ski while still shredding the gnar on the way down without sacrificing performance.

Carbon Fibre is now, wood was yesturday.

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May 3 2004 5:06PM
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hoodratz47
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fortskier,, by your tone it seems like you taken alot of wood up your asss, how about tryig carbon....



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May 3 2004 5:30PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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wood
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May 3 2004 5:35PM
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these...

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grrrr pic didn't work...

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somebody have a link to this GD sitee?






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May 3 2004 6:00PM
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wood.
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nice skis tamara, i'm saving up for mine next season.... cannot wait





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May 3 2004 6:04PM
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I would not pay for DB skis without demoing them first. Never really hear of the company and the name of the ski is 'R' so how good could it be
May 3 2004 6:08PM
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UTmeathead
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Carbon,cause we're all gonna ski Everest.

May 3 2004 7:27PM
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FortSkier
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damn, you guys gotta be the stupidest fuks on earth. First off I am sick of wood and ski carbon fiber s. Second refering to mount everest wast'nt saying everyone is able to do it. Sh*t, if you don't live in colorado 95% of you probably never skied down a peak from 15,000 + feet. So inless you want a better longer lasting ski go for carbon fiber if not be some fagot.
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May 3 2004 7:32PM
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FortSkier
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Oh yea hellmut, Type R is a fuking name you moron. I bet if the Public Enemy was called Type A half you fukers would'nt even buy them and the other reason is the graphics, If alll k2 skis were black like DB, k2 seriously would have some trouble making profit. Support a company like DB that takes skiing to its roots.
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May 3 2004 7:38PM
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hoodratz47
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are you on the team^^^^^ cause i want one of thsoe db doo-rags realy bad....



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May 3 2004 7:42PM
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they dont have dew rags idiot
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May 3 2004 7:49PM
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if they dont have doo-rags who gives a fuck!!



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May 3 2004 8:08PM
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^ i think he means the line doo rag

carbon fiber is a very reasonable and applicable material to build skis. unfortunately the price is prohibitive for the use. I bet if a ski company could sell a jib ski made outve carbon fiber for the same price they sell a wood/foam core ski, they would. I took the GOODE skis for a few turns last industry demo day at killington, and although they werent my favorite skis (mostly because all they had were their all mtn ski, no twin, more of a carver), ive ski'd MUCH worse
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May 3 2004 8:08PM
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its better than honycomb construction from teh 70's



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May 3 2004 8:19PM
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THC is best acording to rossignol, but maybe thats cuz they came up with it and use it...
who really knows
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May 3 2004 8:29PM
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h3ofilms
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^ haha yeah, they say its the best cause they made it...i dunno if it is or not...im a fan of Lines maple macroblock 60/40 birch/aspen mix. if youve ever seen just the core of the ski, its rediculous and durable. ive seen them flexed while someone stands on the tail almost to the chest (considerable force pulling up) and they release and it snaps down. their new skis have MAJOR pop
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May 3 2004 8:32PM
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shootr
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Prohibitive cost is hardly a concern to ski manufacturers... most of their revenues are generated by entry level skis, (with exceptions of course being boutique manufacturers), For a company to manufacturer a high end limited production carbon ski would make marketing sense IF it were to prove to be the 'IDEAL' material.
Unfortunately it is not.. there is NO one ideal material for ski construction because what atheletes want from a ski evolves along with the equipment.

Engineers deal in tangible numbers, and an engineer can and often will state that material 'X' is the best for the application, but in real world use this is often not the case.

Saying someone is a 'stupid faggot' or whatever because they do not prescribe to your notion of what is best is just weak.. Ski manufacturers have explored carbon composites for many many years.. probably longer than most of you have been alive.. it has not yet proven itself.. which is why wood is still the primary construction of high end skis.

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May 3 2004 10:01PM
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this guy knows his shit...




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May 3 2004 10:16PM
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Hey fortskier, do you have anything positive to say? BTW 'you're a fucking idiot zacman' doesn't count.
Personally, I am a sailor. Carbon is the rage in sailing, but if one carefully looks through the chronicles of sailing, there are so many instances of carbon failing suddenly and causing major clusterfuckerage that it's not even funny. While skiing and sailing are completely different sports, I believe that some of the forces are the same. I don't trust carbon in my boats, and I sure as hell won't trust it as an exclusive core material.
May 3 2004 11:06PM
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FortSkier, you are definately right about the cost of carbon not being a problem for larger companies because a large majority of their revenue is from entry level skis, but some manufacturers (consequently the popular freeskiing companies) do not HAVE entry level skis (LINE, Armada, 4frnt).


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May 3 2004 11:32PM
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Deff. wood or thc. I love my scratches.
May 3 2004 11:49PM
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BOTH!
May 4 2004 6:53AM
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FortSkier
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sh*t half the airplanes you ride in are mostly made of carbon fiber. Use that in skis and it will last you forever
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May 4 2004 10:08AM
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I like wood.

A friend of mine had foam skis and dindt like them, they got REALLY soft.


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May 4 2004 11:07AM
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FortSkier
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Also do you know how long it takes to mold a carbon fiber ski? 3 hours. Most skis mold for 10 minutes. DO the math DB produces at the max 3 skis at day. Thats why they are soo expensive along with carbon fiber.
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May 4 2004 1:08PM
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shootr
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Fort skier, that is a completely incorrect assumption that 'most skis mold for ten minutes'..
Wood core skis are pressed, and it takes FAR longer than ten minutes to press the core of a wood ski.
Carbon skis take just as long as other fiber laminates to 'mold' the difference comes after removing the carbon peice from the mold.. it must be VACUUM AUTOCLAVED.. if it is not it will NEVER be strong.. don't make assumptions on the quality of a product by reading the advertising the company puts out.
Carbon fibre is not a cut and dry material.. there are so many different ways to lay up a laminate and so many different resins in which to secure the carbon. These all make a difference to the final product. People love to toute carbon as the 'material used in fighter jets, formula one and the space shuttle' to make it sound like it is the best material known to man.. it is hardly that.. those three examples alone utilize vastly different carbon construtions.
Blanket statements regarding Carbon's strenght to weight are also misleading, the strenght of a carbon layup is entirely dependant on ensuring that the strands are pulled in tension on the bias.. if they are bent they are extremely weak. It is easily possible to make an extremely light carbon peice that will fail miserably.. Look at the world of bicycles.. in the 1980s a bunch of manufacturers jumped on the Carbon bandwagon and had numerous catastrophic failures.. some of which resulted in tragic injuries. It takes a tremendous investment in testing and prototyping to get a satisfactory carbon product..
But like I originally stated, I don't think that a core made exclusively of carbon will EVER be satisfactory.

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May 4 2004 1:23PM
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um carbon fiber planes. yeah if your in th air firce and fly a f-22 raptor.. there aluminum buster...



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May 4 2004 3:15PM
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FortSkier
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hey dumbass,

the only thing matters to me is weight, no wood skis come close to the weight carbon fiber is on dimmension ratio asshole
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May 5 2004 1:00PM
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I love how kids lash out with insults when they are corrected by someone in-the-know.

Thanks shootr, that was very insightful. I seem to remember a yacht company, Wally, that ventured into carbon fibre composites for skis.
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