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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
Anyone interested in starting a Libertarian cult?
Sep 14 2010 11:52PM
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gregorio
Posts: 2372 - Karma: 151
LEGALIZE IT
Sep 14 2010 11:53PM
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Funkadelic
Posts: 1967 - Karma: 391
I am. Everyone shits on you for it until they realize they are actually libertarian too.
Sep 14 2010 11:55PM
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Wolvmatt.
Posts: 529 - Karma: 12
I'm libertarians. 
Sep 14 2010 11:58PM
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Bob_Loblaw
Posts: 8384 - Karma: 38
I'm a librarian
Sep 15 2010 12:00AM
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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
lol, no
Sep 15 2010 12:01AM
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Wolvmatt.
Posts: 529 - Karma: 12
Count me in
Sep 15 2010 12:02AM
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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
impressive knowledge. Do you want to be in the cult?
Sep 15 2010 12:03AM
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1337
Posts: 31059 - Karma: 29,314
invite plz
Sep 15 2010 12:04AM
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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
https://newschoolers.com/ns/cult/home/id/5032/t/Libertarians+of+Newschoolers/

cult link for anyone interested in joining
Sep 15 2010 12:07AM
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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
bump... join the cult!
Sep 15 2010 9:37AM
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Michelle.Obama
Posts: 39 - Karma: 10
anybody who is sane is a libertarian
Sep 15 2010 9:46AM
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TheButterHashira
Posts: 9691 - Karma: 1,702
I'm registered in the libertarian party. I agree with them for the most part. I am all for guns, weed, abortions,and lower taxes.
Sep 15 2010 9:52AM
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.KYLE.
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I heard one person call himself a populous libertarian, I lolerskated all the way home.
Il take an invite though
Sep 15 2010 10:40AM
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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
theres a link to the cult above guys! Feel free to join!
Sep 15 2010 11:12AM
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RubberSoul
Posts: 11249 - Karma: 14,642
uhhh...no
Sep 15 2010 12:04PM
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RubberSoul
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i really doubt that claim... source please?
Sep 15 2010 12:15PM
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naftel
Posts: 830 - Karma: 12
libertarian hells yeah.
Sep 15 2010 12:27PM
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Yung_Gnarley
Posts: 9092 - Karma: 3,022
I am a liberated libertarian librarian.
Sep 15 2010 12:35PM
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Gorilla.Steeze
Posts: 2215 - Karma: 43
woozy already has an austrian economics cult which covers the economic side to libertarianism.
Sep 15 2010 1:01PM
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T.L.
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joined.
Sep 15 2010 1:06PM
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grown-ninja
Posts: 3031 - Karma: 175
I'm registered libertarian count me in...not a chance though 85 percent.  90 percent are brain dead dems who know nothing but how to hate on the right, 5 percent are ignorant republicans who only know how to knock every thing the dems are doing, even though republican leaders have done the same shit....and maybe MAYBE the remaining 5 percent have some scene of individuality relative to the political spectrum when "picking" sides
Sep 15 2010 1:16PM
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skiminnesota
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+1

free markets, free minds, free people
Sep 15 2010 1:46PM
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tommyp1ckles
Posts: 1337 - Karma: 55
^this right here
Sep 15 2010 1:56PM
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skichicky3
Posts: 2593 - Karma: 64
+K to you
Sep 15 2010 2:00PM
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RubberSoul
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well i was kidding but that was assuming he was too...if he's serious then i guess my post was too
Sep 15 2010 2:41PM
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Rachy
Posts: 4355 - Karma: 2,761
Libertarianism is awesome...

But it is super diverse.

I'm more of a classical libertarian that also believes that in the "basic human rights" should include protection, education, and health. I'm all for privatization of common needs like roads and what not, but with corporate regulation rather than individual regulation. And the most common business practice would be a co-op.

Blah ok. hi.
Sep 15 2010 3:14PM
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theabortionator
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I'm libertarian to a degree. At the same time I like what the republican party stood for back in the day, it was more along the same lines. Actually even some dems made some solid efforts. That could be more the person though regardless of party affiliation.

I try not to put myself under a particular party. I believe what I do but refuse to vote for people just because they're in the party I'm with.
Sep 15 2010 3:18PM
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RubberSoul
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i'm sorry i'm not trying to start shit but really? and you call lefties idealists?? you really think unchecked capitalism manifests itself as "free minds and free people"?
Sep 15 2010 3:24PM
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theabortionator
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Well when people look at the problems in free market capitalism, most of the time they look at points where we had nothing close to free market. The government has been interfering hardcore. Free market might not be 100% perfect but it is far better and far more free than what we have now. The government creates bubbles in the market then when they burst, they print out money and create new bubbles to temporarily "fix" it. Then repeat the process while america goes on oblivious and arguing about the dumbest of shit.


I mean we still have the fucking federal reserve. That's cripple our economy so badly. You can you have a steady economy when your currency is dropping that fast.
Sep 15 2010 3:32PM
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Gorilla.Steeze
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Not that I know anything about you, but you seem to be the type of person who blamed the "free markets" for the asset crash and recession in 2008. In fact, the US markets are far from being free. Back in the 19th century, the government rarely, if ever, intervened in the markets and as a result, the US experienced a continued economic boom like no nation has ever seen in history.

I could have judged you wrong though.
Sep 16 2010 5:54PM
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RubberSoul
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i know, and i agree with a lot of that. but let's not kid ourselves, do you think the private sector wasnt/isnt also responsible for creating bubbles, then creating new ones to fix it? this is not just the big bad government impeding your rights..private sector can make you just as not "free" (for lack of a better term) as any government measures.

federal reserve? agreed. horseshit
Sep 16 2010 5:59PM
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RubberSoul
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i'm not saying that's the only thing going on.and none of these things (okay, almost none of these things) we're talking about are absolutes, its extremely subjective. i just dont like the insinuation that a free market would equal "free minds, free people, free ideas" or whatever.
the private sector has a very dark side that rears its ugly head every so often and to deny that would be silly in my opinion. you think the government is the only oppressor here? private sector doesnt give two shits about you, me, or freedom of people and ideas, it cares about the bottom line and i would never deny that this doesnt lead to progress but it has very many obvious negative sides

libertarianism is a school of thought that i can totally understand as a logical argument. i just disagree that we are better off playing every man for himself when we can make so much more progress when we have each other's backs
Sep 16 2010 6:07PM
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Mr.Panda
Posts: 17711 - Karma: 564
This man is a Libertarian:
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And he is the biggest badass on this planet.
Sep 16 2010 6:25PM
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skiminnesota
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have i called lefties idealists? (perhaps i have, and maybe i havent)

i am an idealist.

in a free market there is no coercion. you are free to trade, or not to trade. no one, or government entity can make you trade.

free people, and free minds are not possible without a free market. (controversial statement of the day?) i suppose free minds can happen even in the most deplorable of living conditions, but free markets and free people go hand in hand.
Sep 16 2010 7:25PM
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skiminnesota
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the private sectors serves its customers (you and i)

when we purchase their product we are making a decision and effectively saying that our lives will be better by making the trade for that product. (or we wouldnt buy the product, service right?) we dont have to trade. we choose to trade.
Sep 16 2010 7:31PM
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theabortionator
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Well I mean technically the fed is private anyway. But they pretty much hold the reigns on our economy. If we had booted the fed a long time ago we would be in ridiculously better shape regardless of any smaller issues.
Sep 16 2010 7:32PM
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RubberSoul
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this is the kind of shit i cant understand. education is a good, not a right? safety is a good, not a right?

that's really easy to say from your position in society maybe but moral discussion aside, i sure as shit dont want to live in a country where educated and safe people is not a given. your society being educated benefits you too for obvious reasons.
you sound like you want to live in the wild west or something, with a fuck everyone else attitude
Sep 16 2010 8:05PM
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Mr.Panda
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Most people have a fuck everyone else attitude whether you want to admit it or not.
Sep 16 2010 8:06PM
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RubberSoul
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yeah well i mean that sort of serves my point.. this isnt just freedom versus the government, if you think you arent enslaved (i know, overly powerful word but im just saying, opposite of free) by the private sector too youre being naive
Sep 16 2010 8:07PM
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RubberSoul
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even if i conceded that, what's the logical progression from there? everyone has a fuck everyone else attitude, so let's set our rules up as an every man for himself competition that punishes helping your fellow man and rewards disregarding everyone but yourself? do you think that's the path to progress?

whether you want to admit it or not, we've made so much progress by WORKING TOGETHER. we dont live in the god damn wild west
Sep 16 2010 8:10PM
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Mr.Panda
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After me you come first. That is the mentality I have. Let me take care of myself, get myself set up, and THEN if I CAN help I will. Not before me though.

Sorry, but my welfare and happiness comes before others.
Sep 16 2010 8:12PM
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RubberSoul
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like i said, we can argue all night about our subjective ideas of what is something people should have by virtue of being a human. i think that people deserve safety, basic sustenance, shelter, education.

but even if we push that aside, and i concede for the sake of argument that those aren't rights...do you really want to live in a country that you cant guarantee many of the citizens can read, write, eat, stay alive? you really cant see the neighborhood effect of living in a society that has, at the very least, every person being safe, educated, and fed?

like i said i think youre selfish, but even beyond that, saying that you dont necessarily want people in your own damn country to be educated is painfully myopic
Sep 16 2010 8:16PM
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skiminnesota
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are you selling yourself and others into slavery for others?

thats what you call someone who works for the benefit of others correct? (seeing no return) and being forced (force is key)

when you deem something like food, shelter, and the like a right. you call upon others to provide you those things in the event you A choose, or B cant provide them for yourself.
Sep 16 2010 8:18PM
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Thenowhereman42
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Libertarianism only works with Socialism, which is basically just Anarchy. Libertarianism is a massive fail with Capitalism unless you are dumb enough to believe that corporations wouldn't ass rape the entire world given half a chance. Which you know....obviously they would.
Sep 16 2010 8:18PM
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RubberSoul
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but that's the thing, there DOES exist coercion in a "free market" (i'll stop putting that in quotes from now on, promise).

it's not as if a free market is this wonderful paradise with no bullying, no power differentials, no coercion. if you guys are so afraid of the government being oppressive why arent you concerned with massively powerful companies making important decisions for the country, with their main concern being pleasing shareholders?
Sep 16 2010 8:18PM
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skiminnesota
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i take it back.

you my friend have taken the cake for "preposterous statement of the day"
Sep 16 2010 8:19PM
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Thenowhereman42
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The fact that corporations would very much like to ass fuck us or the fact that "Libertarian Socialist" is the prevailing political description for most modern day anarchists?

Cause the first one is obvious and I can argue the second on with references and such.
Sep 16 2010 8:21PM
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RubberSoul
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i agree to an extent but the Good that you speak of (Good, not goods) that comes out of the private sector's workings is purely instrumental. a seller is more than happy to benefit the society as a whole as long as it also means making them money. but if the production of negative externalities means more profit, they're still down like a clown and it's been shown way too many times
Sep 16 2010 8:22PM
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PeterWojnar
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But now I'm not
Sep 16 2010 8:27PM
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RubberSoul
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drop the condescending bullshit you prick, it's not going to get your point across at all and it's a waste of my time and yours.

i have "schooled myself on natural rights" (the most subjective fucking topic in the world) thank you very much.

i dont look to the government for shit, i come from a good family in a nice area and ive worked my ass off and done very well in life so far, so the notion of my needing the government to provide me with "everything i want" is horseshit. i just can look at the state of affairs and realize not everybody is as ridiculously lucky as you and me, and we sure as fuck dont live in a situation where how much effort you put in is directly proportionate to how much we have. it's just not true

Sep 16 2010 8:30PM
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