Pretty interesting, why dont we do this?

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It's like this scene... all over again.

Sep 10 2010 11:04PM

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InYourBrain

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wind = everywhere. you cant monopolize and the US is too stubborn to move away from money towards solutions.

repost btw

Sep 10 2010 11:42PM

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anyone thinking this guy is serious needs to get their meters checked

Sep 10 2010 11:50PM

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idk his karma-to-post ratio says otherwise.

Sep 10 2010 11:52PM

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People don't understand sarcasm

Sep 10 2010 11:56PM

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Wind=windfarms that ruin property values:

Sep 10 2010 11:58PM

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wind power wont detract from the value of properties if it is just on windfarms or just windtowers on normal farms
the only problem with wind is it isnt always blowing, but in certain places it usually is, and experts have the ability to measure that, and make sure that windpower is in places that make sense

Sep 11 2010 12:59AM

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houses = not everywhere

Sep 11 2010 1:11AM

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Sep 11 2010 1:19AM

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Seems simple enough, the only problem is those little pink dots are millions of square miles of solar panels. What are we going to do, just designate hundreds and thousands of square miles of land to these things? What about the people/animals that live there? What about the millions and billions that it would cost to put up suck structures?

Its just not practical at all...

Sep 11 2010 1:32AM

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lol fucking idiot

Sep 11 2010 1:34AM

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Lol really? Wind is not everywere, unless you are 1000 feet in the air, the wind turbines on 93 near boulder, I have seen maybe actually working like 3 times. Wind will never work since it is to inconsistent, since wind does not blow at sufficent speeds even close to enough

Sep 11 2010 1:41AM

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haha, this thread is worth a few lols.

But for real if we could run the world on stupidity......

Sep 11 2010 3:01AM

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Wind and Solar both seem great... but then you are stuck waiting for when nature wants a breeze or wants it to be sunny. This would be nice:

But everyone thinks Chernobyl will happen again in their backyard.

Sep 11 2010 3:01AM

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you're silly.

but seriously guys, the future isn't wind or solar it's tidal!

tides are predicable which means that connecting the power to the national grid is 100times easier, a problem that is encountered with wind. all coastal regions have tides, boom. when cost come into line with wind we're gunna be fine.

Sep 11 2010 3:08AM

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no one said repost yet?

Sep 11 2010 3:10AM

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throw em in the midwest. no one cares about that flat shit hole.

Sep 11 2010 3:10AM

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although you're (YOUR?) probably about to get karma raped for not being "environmentally friendly" you are actually supporting something realistic, i mean seriously i dont think people can grasp the cost of a couple of a few million Sq. KM of solar panels and the maintenance required to power the entire world off it.

Sep 11 2010 3:40AM

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You were correct with the "you're".

The biggest problem with wind is what powers it, the wind, it is not consistent and it can't be controlled.

Solar has the same kinda inconsistent ability to harness it (is it sunny or cloudy or dark dingy and raining?) plus the solar cells, for now, are super SUPER unreliable and not really economical.

Seriously, look at these solar farms:

Yeah, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, southern Cali, and Texas it may work... for the majority of the year. What about the part of the year it ISN'T sunny during.

For now, really nuclear power works great and can be used everywhere. But like anything, there are drawbacks. The spent fuel rods, possibility of someone being a douchebag and pulling a Chernobyl, and last crazy psychos trying to sneak shit out to make a bomb with it (dirty bomb, not nuclear bomb)

Sep 11 2010 3:49AM

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i know i was making a point.

but yeah i didn't want to quote YOUR whole post but i have to agree we have not reached the point where solar and wind power is efficient enough to implement as a main power source. also they are more susceptible to damage, for example a really bad sandstorm could do a shitload of damage to a solar farm in the desert.

Sep 11 2010 4:12AM

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they are economical, for wind the initial capital required is repaid within a couple of years of power production with low power production costs once running.

i would love to give figures and could rant for a while as i have a lot of research on renewables, (i work for large finance fund specialising in renewables project finance and power) but all my reports are at work.

Sep 11 2010 4:25AM

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Nuclear and this. Also, if there was any way to harness currents without completely ass-raping the ocean, we'd be golden.

Sep 11 2010 4:34AM

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i guess these wind turbines are 1000 feet in the air... at sea level???

and yes, its pretty damned consistent

Sep 11 2010 4:35AM

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it's not consistent.

the predicted/advertised load factor of wind power is about 40-30%. in reality some are struggling to average 10%.

Sep 11 2010 4:45AM

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Why don't we all drive electric cars? The technology is there and so are the plants to make them...

...the same reason we're not being powered by solar power, money hungry oil companies get to chose the path. I'll let you do the rest

Sep 11 2010 4:49AM

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where does the electricity to power your electric car come from? and we don't drive them because they are shit, make a good and cheap elec car people will drive it

Sep 11 2010 4:53AM

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Then you have the fun task of disposing millions of dead battery cells in 30-50 years...

Sep 11 2010 4:55AM

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Solar.

A while back large companies were told they had to make electric cars by a certain date, i think it was 1998... they overrun the bylaw and destroyed all but 500-1000 of these cars.

read something in the paper the other day of someone who got their hands on one of these cars. their power bill for the year was $44. The only thing that's happened to the car in the 60 000 miles he's driven it is the shocks went out.

you could probably google some shit and research it yourself, i'm too lazy to provide links right now

Sep 11 2010 4:56AM

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it comes from burning coal, so from the huge machines used for mining coal to processing it to shiping it etc makes your green little prius probaly have a larger carbon fooot print then a 4runer

Sep 11 2010 4:58AM

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what part of 'SOLAR' is hard to understand?

I don't pay bills, but $44 a YEAR for electricity for his HOUSE doesn't seem like much.

Sep 11 2010 5:02AM

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Yeah. For everything "good" we try to do to help the environment there is something about it that is absolutely horrid for the environment that goes along with it.

Steam could be an interesting prospect but you still need something to heat up said water to create steam.

Sep 11 2010 5:02AM

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are you retarded?

yes we can produce electricity from solar, but can we produce enough to power a whole country full of electric cars. probably not. hence the slack is picked up by coal and fossil fuels.

this dudes house probably didn't have a tv, internet, or lights. guess what dude, i can run off $0 a year if i wanted to.

Sep 11 2010 5:10AM

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The lack of facts or evidence for this discussion saddens me at the moment.

Let us rest and join again tomorrow with copious amounts of chilled orange juice and cooked bacon strips.

(ps, saying he 'probably' didn't have such items, leaves room to say he did...food for thought)

Sep 11 2010 5:14AM

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You deserved to be banned for being such a stupid fuck

Sep 11 2010 5:19AM

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it angers me.

you have no concept of how the energy market works. half of my job is to research renewable energy projects to finance/build. and i'm telling you as someone who is older and wiser than you that you are wrong. i'm sorry if that's too brutal.

Sep 11 2010 5:26AM

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I may have no idea of how the energy market works, but in theory if we all were able to use less energy that would mean a substantial decrease in use as a whole.

May I inquire as to the other half of your job?

And tis not too brutal~! But simply telling me that I'm wrong isn't going to shut me up, I need some evidence so we all can understand as to why I'm wrong!

Sep 11 2010 5:33AM

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the other half isn't focused on renewables, i'm in syndicated banking, so we go from bank to bank (think UBS, Goldman, RBC) asking what they've got for us to buy some of as the banks underwrite the corporate loan and we buy a slice on the secondary market. our deal size ranges from £10million to £75. /claim.

electric cars are a marketing scam. the energy require to make them, think of the zinc mining, shipping etc.... far outweigh any savings, for the reason that there aren't many saving because as said before the energy isn't coming from solar sources. unless you stick solar on your roof, it's coming from fossil fuels.

the notion of energy efficient appliances is very nice and gets people to get their wallet out and raise awareness. but in the long run we need to go to the source. be it wind farms, solar, tidal = ) or nuclear.

Sep 11 2010 5:45AM

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