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9/11, 9 years later... loose change

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snomaster
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take a minute and watch this if you never have...

in case embad doesn't work here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501#

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7866929448192753501&hl=en&fs=true style=width:400px;height:326px allowFullScreen=true allowScriptAccess=always type=application/x-shockwave-flash>
Sep 10 2010 7:04PM
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JibbaTheHutt
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shit...is it really 9 years feels like yesterday.....i remember i ddint really understand what had happened but i knew it was big
Sep 11 2010 7:29AM
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shout out to my cousin michsteeze; today is his birthday.
Sep 11 2010 10:40AM
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snomaster
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have any of you haters ACTUALLY WATCHED THE MOVIE?

^BC, you are correct. so, why were bomb sniffing dogs removed from the buildings a week in advance of the day?

I'm not saying that this movie was done perfectly, but it brings up plenty of valid questions.

why were firefighters and so many witnesses reporting multiple explosions in the twin towers?
Why did three steel frame buildings collapse on that day due to fire, and only that day, EVER?
what hit the pentagon?
why was building 7 omitted from the 9/11 commission scope?

when I first looked at this shit 4 years ago it blew my mind. I didn't even want to hear about conspiracies before someone convinced me to sit down and watch this movie. From everything I've seen since, these questions above cannot be answered by the 'official story'. For the record I think Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, and I believe we've put a man on the moon. But there is no way a plane hit the pentagon on September 11, 2001.

every 'debunking' article or program I've ever seen has been BS and dodges the toughest questions.
Sep 11 2010 10:47AM
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steezbox
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I did not post this video and I do not believe that the government did it. There are a lot of supicious things about 9/11 however that should not be overlooked. Just remeber - a country will go to war usually only if they have something to gain out of it. That is why people do shit all about Africa right now.
Sep 11 2010 10:50AM
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987321654hgfd
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It would take an army of people and much longer than a week to go into both buildings, remove tons of sheetrock and run thousands of feet of wire to have perfectly timed explosions to bring down the buildings.

People also seem to forget that a plane hit the building which would drastically weaken the structure itself plus a fire that further weakens it.

Things were extremely hectic that day, people didn't know what they were hearing and rumors were flying all over the place.

Every 9/11 conspiracy theory can be debunked with facts from experts. Not facts from an 18 year old with a computer who made loose change.
Sep 11 2010 10:55AM
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987321654hgfd
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It was also a plane who hit the pentagon, the video of the plane hitting it was a 1 fps video so the plane cannot be seen.

The plane that crashed in PA hit the ground at near the speed of sound and pretty much disintegrated on impact. That's why there was debris spread 2 miles from the crash site.
Sep 11 2010 10:57AM
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fujarome
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bomb sniffing dogs in cities typically operate in rotations at random. They arent a limitless resource, so for awhile they were at WTC, then were moved to a new location.

citing firefighters is a bit stupid if you ask me. It was chaos, it was like nothing they'd ever seen before, and they had a massive task ahead of them. Do you think they stood there watching and were in the perfect state of mind? Most witnesses lie. Not on purpose, but because there was too much going on. I'd like to see how many of these witnesses declared they saw multiple explosions without knowing that other people had too. I bet the number would be much smaller.

Strange how the first 2 times a steel frame building collapsed was also the first 2 times 110 story buildings were hit by planes going upwards of 600mph.

Building 7 is a bit strange, i admit, but again, nothing like this has ever happened. This documentary actually leaves out that there were massive fires raging in it all day. But due to collapse risk, they withdrew all the firefighters. Add the fact that 2 110 story buildings essentially collapsed onto it, and it starts to make sense.

for the pentagon, go to youtube and search "f-4 phantom concrete wall" It should bring you to a video of a test they did back in the day, flying an f-4 at high speeds into a wall. The f-4 is GONE. No airplane left. Now i know a 757 is larger, and the pentagon isnt a concrete wall, but it's the same concept. They did find airplane parts outside as you would expect. But what people don't realize is how fragile airplanes really are. They are for the most part aluminum. When hitting a large, solid surface...they disintegrate.

and by the way, everyone can stop saying "i've got my eyes open" about the conspiracy. Your eyes are closed if you only believe 1 side, regardless of which side it is.
Sep 11 2010 11:03AM
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Zump.
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Yeah, I remeber being in second grade when it happened. Long time ago
Sep 11 2010 11:05AM
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GayWolf420
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I remember they had this documentary last year on 9/11 where it was all filmed by people with camcorders. And one guy was walking down the street and out of the corner, You see the second plane hit the tower. That shit was fucking powerful.
Sep 11 2010 12:12PM
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fujarome
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that documentary was probably 9/11. The one made by a pair of french brothers who just happened to be filming a documentary about a new NYFD firefighter at the time. They are pretty much the only people who managed to film the first plane hitting the tower. Other than them it was like webcams, and news helicopters. they were only a few blocks away though.

and if it wasn't, then check out 9/11. Incredible documentary. They were inside one of the towers when the other collapsed. it's insane.
Sep 11 2010 12:15PM
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GayWolf420
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I remember watching it on History Channel. I couldent believe it when the plane it hit the tower.
Sep 11 2010 12:19PM
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bryansbryan
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you are quite possibly the dumbest mother fucker out there. way to list off a bunch of links to EXACTLY what isn't credible. here's what one of your sources say, even just the first sentence is a fucking gem...

Who benefits from this atrocity? Islam? Israel? Or is it those who wish to establish a NEW WORLD ORDER on the smoldering ashes of American Sovereignty?

There's been a greater assault on our Bill of Rights in the past 120 days than in the past 200 years. Who'll call for a police state? Who'll call for martial law? Who'll call for national ID cards to give us "security?" It won't be Bin Laden. Are we watching the Nazi-ization of our true nation?

In this 86 - minute volcanic video, former FBI chief agent Ted Gunderson blows the lid off the "FBLies" involvement in the 1993 Trade Center bombing. THEY SET IT UP! Illuminati historian Jordan Maxwell, publisher Clayton Douglas at The Free American, Gunderson and Anthony J. Hilder are calling the attack at the U.S. an "inside job." America has been suckered one more time. This video will shake and shock you into a reality check.

"You're right! We are witnessing the Nazi-ization of this Nation. More Rights & Freedoms have been lost in the last 120 days through Executive Orders & our cowardly Congress than were lost in the past 200 years. Illuminazi 9-11 tells it all in clear, precise terms. This is the beginning of World War III. Make no mistake about it."

i mean if this is what you're using as sources, you obviously are out of your fucking mind and have no clue about proper research or what constitutes actual evidence. try and write a research paper with that crap and see how that goes mr. eyes-are-open. still waiting if you actually have anything aside from a bunch of random, paranoid douche bags looking for something to be angry at.
Sep 11 2010 12:38PM
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feihlination
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you are just calling "us" idiots. whatever point you stand for, i dont care. you have to be skiiermans alias



Sep 11 2010 3:23PM
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bryansbryan
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you're not because if you get an answer i'm pretty sure you're not going to keep denying it and keep asking the same question. on the other hand, that kimjong joke is going full retard right now.
Sep 11 2010 3:30PM
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feihlination
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thx. so we can agree that believing every official statement without questioning is as dumb as believing every statement by some random ass conspiracist.

both sides feature dumbasses and intelligent persons and both have their fair share of followers who dont think for themselves.

as i said, if you thinked for yourself and you came to the conclusion, fine. i did the same. have a nice day.



p.s.: on a german news channel they are showing a anti-conspiracy-theory thingy (popular mechanics dude is also thereI. and its actually worse as loose change. the only thing they are trying to do is make conspiracists seem like retards. they are mostly talking about how JFK and pearl harbor were real, how holocaust was real and how dumb you have to be to believe 9/11 is any different, blablabla.. then they pick the dumbest conspiracy-facts they can find on the interwebz and "destroy" them. big up. yes, loose change has flaws too, but this documentation is really really bad.
Sep 11 2010 4:36PM
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MatRich
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lol at people getting angry
Sep 11 2010 5:36PM
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Utard
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The real truth


Sep 11 2010 5:44PM
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cbeebzthasteeze
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Today is my Birthday.
Sep 11 2010 6:01PM
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casual
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Loose Change and Zeitgeist are both very entertaining MOVIES.

Loose Change has been re-edited and rereleased a few times...because as time has gone by, more and more of the claims the filmmakers made have been unequivocally disproven. The original version highlighted the alleged phone calls from the hijacked planes as being impossible and faked. Newer versions completely ignored the phone calls. Anyone who accepts the Loose Change version of events as fact is a fucking moron.

Similarly, anyone who accepts the 9/11 Commission Report's version of events as fact is a fucking moron. The truth is that we're not as safe and prepared as we'd all like to believe and that we were had. In the wake of the tragedy, undoubtedly government officials and organizations attempted to distort the truth in order to avoid being levied with the blame, but to assert that 9/11 was actually conceived by and executed by elements inside of the U.S. govt. is absolutely absurd. Yes, warnings were ignored, yes the response could have been better. If the angry mob is yelling "incompetence!", I'm yelling too...if it's yelling "Inside job!", I'm rolling my eyes.

As far as Zeitgeist...If you do even a half-hearted fact check on the claims laid out in Zeitgeist....well....you'll be disappointed. I'm somewhat of a religion hater...so, I was thrillllled at the prospect of "evidence" proving that christianity was utter and absolute bullshit. Well, it turns out that a huge portion of the "facts" presented are either out and out fabricated, or cherry picked half-truths and exaggerations that totally disregard any evidence that doesn't support their hypothesis.

Seriously, don't be lazy.
Sep 11 2010 6:24PM
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casual
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This is a good post.

People refuse to believe that we're not invincible....the truth is that to most people, the idea of our own government attacking us is less scary than believing that a few dozen brown people were able to murder 3,000 of us in a day. The implication of accepting the latter would mean that it could easily happen again.

I'm starting to think that racism, classism, and nationalism contributes to people's inability to accept that we were attacked. As in, "There's no way some fucking towelheads could pull this off against the all mighty white America—it had to be other intelligent white people that did this!".
Sep 11 2010 6:32PM
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casual
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I'm going through this thread....for some stupid reason....and I'm blown away, over and over again.

You have to be on the toddler side of 20, you sound like an idiot.

There's an arrogance and know-it-all undercurrent to everything you post. You think Zeitgeist is factual? Woooow.....
Sep 11 2010 6:36PM
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Utard
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Dude remember what website you're on. We're all 14 year old gangsters with IQ's of 190+
Sep 11 2010 6:38PM
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erboardsnow
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You dont think the death of the filmmaker would only add to the conspiracy theories. Just imagine it, young filmmaker disappears days after he releases a documentary about 911 conspiracy theories.

Sorry for the lack of punctuation my keyboard is on french mode.
Sep 11 2010 6:48PM
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fujarome
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would you notice if a youtube video put up by some 18 year old kid was there one day and not the next? And would you know or care if the guy who put it up was alive?

keep in mind it wasn't an overnight sensation. Loose change took awhile to get going. Some people would have seen it, and the conspiracy would still exist, but otherwise it would be gone.

I think the fact that they've gone back and revised it multiple times so that a different point is emphasized the strongest is one of the surest signs that it's bullshit.
Sep 11 2010 6:51PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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thats very ironic.
Sep 11 2010 8:23PM
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bryansbryan
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you know you've been torn apart, right? no? oh ok, well uh... good luck to ya, retard.
Sep 11 2010 8:44PM
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geteducated
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he gave me the same weak ass answer when i told him to present some credible evidence.
Sep 11 2010 8:55PM
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Su[G]ar
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sorry i have a life, im not gonna waste it on a 1.5 hour youtube film...
Sep 11 2010 8:57PM
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Will_
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I hope those fuckers get their virgins.

god damn it
Sep 11 2010 9:23PM
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jibjunkie
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threads
Sep 11 2010 9:25PM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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you're still a stupid ignorant fuck, and always will be. i find it amusing.
Sep 11 2010 11:34PM
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fdsa
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Hey guize! I have a new conschperacy theory!!!!

WWII was all a hoax. We could've kicked Japan's ass from teh outset but we wanted to get involved so we let them attack Pearl Harbor!!!!

I have proof!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoS99I8wTQs

GTFO.
Sep 11 2010 11:49PM
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grapesoda
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oh wow another 9/11 conspiracy thread. why don't you respect the people who died and stop posting overplayed documentaries. remembering the event and pointing fingers are two completely different things. this is not what we or our country needs right now.
Sep 12 2010 12:35AM
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jibjunkie
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hitler was def a conspiracy.....
Sep 12 2010 2:59AM
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feihlination
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this is actually bullshit. IF there is the slightest chance that a lot of wrong (intentional or unintentional) stuff went on, its disrespectful to the victims to just shut up and believe every official version.

i dont say (and dont believe for that matter) that it was an inside job. but some (i recall SOME) parts seem a little weird in my opinion.

face it, AT BEST, the government and its institutions made massive mistakes regarding the security of your land. but they can wipe it all under the carpet with "your" argument of disrespect for victims. thats disrespectful to me.
Sep 12 2010 6:34AM
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BLKOUT
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my dad`s better than your dad
Sep 12 2010 6:57AM
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IceCreamer
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The conspiracy theorist presents a circular argument. They say "You believe what we believe and if not you are under a grave misapprehension, due to the dubious and peccant nature of all other sources". With each denial only comes a greater asseveration of the conspiratorial idea.
Sep 12 2010 8:08AM
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casual
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That's a lot of big words to say "Denying conspiracies makes them stronger".
Sep 12 2010 3:16PM
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IdaHomie
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how has he been torn apart? it's his fucking opinion  and it's probably not going to change because bryansbryan from newschoolers 'tore him apart'

get fucked
Sep 12 2010 3:49PM
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reverendwrong
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After watching it I can say this:

It has a very logical and well though out argument, with large amounts of evidence to support their theories. The traditional theory of 9/11 being committed by Osama is also logical and has evidence. Theories are meant to be tested by others to determine their validity. Thus the only logical thing to do would be to test those theories.

The only theory being openly and scientifically tested is the conspiracy theories. I am convinced that the planes did not bring down the towers or caused the damage in PA and the pentagon. Any investigation will prove that thermite was found in NY, the holes are too small in PA and DC, jet fuel burns too cool, the structural integrity of the steel, etc.

But this still does not answer why the government would do it, no conspiracy theory actually nails down a logical reason that is no more valid than any other theory out there or what the government itself is telling us. For all we know the terrorists may have planned all of the destruction themselves, and if thats the case then we may be in a bigger shit hole than we previously believed.

So what it all comes down to is putting into practice the scientific method that we were all taught in middle school science. We need to have a hypothesis, test it, and have others attempt to validate the results. This does not apply to only the way the towers fell but the motives of the group or groups that committed the acts. I feel like no one really knows exactly what happened and we need to figure that out.

Questioning and investigating is the only way we will ever find the truth.
Sep 12 2010 5:28PM
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bryansbryan
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hahaha, what? name on scientific study they did that proved any of the conspiracy theories. all the SCIENTIFIC evidence proves that they're all false and actually backs up the official report very heavily. kids looking at something and saying, "man that sure does look like a controlled demolition" is not a fucking scientific study. using shitty security footage and saying, "that white blob sure does look like a missile" is not scientific. using other plane crashes to compare to these crashes, which are completely different scenarios, is not scientific. go back through grade school because i think you missed a whole lot of what they were trying to teach you.
Sep 12 2010 6:44PM
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