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Phantom
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How long should i expect it to take for my on3p caylors to arrive if i ordered them on the 23rd of august?
Sep 6 2010 9:58PM
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Dustin.
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I'm actually not sure what order they are planning on making skis this year.  In my opinion it would make sense to get park skis out before pow skis.  We can ski park in October, but having pow skis at that time is kind of pointless.  I'm sure someone will chime in with some valuable info after my ramblings :)
Sep 6 2010 10:21PM
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RudyGarmisch
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If your order was in the presale or the few following weeks after, your pair will be pressed in the next two weeks. Its 191 Caylor next, 181 Caylor after. Good news continues, because this year we're pressing preorders first (with a limited number for stock) and then looping around after those are done to make our stock for the year. Coupled with the fact that we've doubled the employees here, more skis made in less time, they'll be in your hands soon.

Also, I usually upload a few photos of whatevers being made on facebook, friend me or Thirteenth and Proctor if you want to check them out.
Sep 6 2010 10:23PM
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Mr_pretzel
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So you guys will actually be able to ski this year?
Sep 7 2010 3:24AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Its a good goal to strive for.
Sep 7 2010 3:58AM
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matt22matt
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when do you guys expect to make the blue steeles 181? and ship them?
Sep 7 2010 10:29AM
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BerGNARdo
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this.
Sep 7 2010 2:15PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Late this month/early next.
Sep 7 2010 4:15PM
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arandomname
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What about 181 Jmo?
Sep 7 2010 4:20PM
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matt22matt
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alright thanks so stoked on gettin them... hopfully mid to late october..
Sep 7 2010 10:45PM
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Dustin.
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I hope so!  I smashed my Pipecleaners and I've got nothing for Keystone next month yet (well...some urban AR5s but those are terrifying with any speed.  No edges at all.)  MAKE PARK SKIS FIRST AHHHHHH!!!!!
Sep 15 2010 1:56AM
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Balto
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pshhh park skis, you cant ski real mountains on those ;)
Sep 15 2010 1:59AM
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DHogg
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Don't you already have a pair of J-mo's?
Sep 15 2010 6:59AM
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Dustin.
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Those are not for tearing up in October, those need to last for a few years.  Park skis I can replace every 2 years or warranty if they break, my pow skis and everyday cruiser need to last for a few seasons.
Sep 15 2010 10:07AM
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factory81
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there a few reasons i won't buy a pair of on3p's.........on3p should listen and try and remedy these issues.

1. this thread. i understand yuo are a "core company" and all. But last year i couldn't even get skis, but be put on a wait list instead.
2. back to #1, since you can't produce enough skis fast enough. it's obvious yuo don't exactly have extra pairs to let people demo or touch or anything like that
3. you aren't in any shops. i have no way of demoing, or testing your skis.

I buy your skis......i wait for you to put them in to production...and hope I like them. It's just not going to convince me.

I didn't buy my one life's until i had a chance to ride them. rode them, bought them when i returned the demos to causwell.


fix deez issues so that we may consider spending $650
Sep 15 2010 10:35AM
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Mr_pretzel
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1. They have demos at their shop so if your going to ski at hood you can go pick up a pair..
2. Its their second year so wait a few years they will be probably be in a few shops by then.
3. Also they are super small they are only 3 guys and 1 intern their making skis.

And who gives a shit if you buy theirs skis? Other people will and your missing out on som great skis.
Sep 15 2010 10:41AM
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Aenigma
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I have a pair of Wrenegades to demo if you're ever in Montana, and I'm pretty sure they have a few pairs of other skis kicking around for people to use in the Portland area (correct me if I'm wrong).

And yeah, it's a starting business, so it has its flaws. There are going to be some people who are willing to deal with a few delays or whatever to get what they want, and for the others there are plenty of options out there. So while your claims are certainly legitimate, someone else could easily fill in the blanks with their complaints about any other company.
Sep 15 2010 10:46AM
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wazzucrewskier
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1.  it was their first year and they started moving into their warehouse when most other companies had them in shops already.  i think its a miracle they got most of them out when they did and even through the crazy hours those guys pulled none of the skis blew up and fell apart on people.

2.  so you have literally demoed every ski you have ever bought?  until i worked at a shop i had never skied on a set that i purchased. 

3.  i mean this is just the same two points over again, but i guess the only reason i would want to see the ski at a shop would be to flex them and get the rocker profile, so i guess i hear you on not being able to see them in person.

i dont know, i guess i just feel like it is the same with every other start up brand, and why there are 300 thousand million how does XXXXXL saga fit if i am 4'6". 
Sep 15 2010 1:14PM
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Dustin.
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Any idiot can look at your complaints and understand why they are stupid.  You know they are small, they tell you the time frame will be large, and they clearly lay out their demo policy.  It's not like some companies that say they have a sick product and send you a bag of shit, they are straight up with what's going on - they even post updates on the status of the shop projects.

"Try to remedy these issues" - No shit Sherlock, you are officially as insightful as a 4th grader.  The goal of a business is OBVIOUSLY growth.  Stupidity pisses me off to no end.
Sep 15 2010 1:48PM
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Balto
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1. already covered
2. there are a handful of demos floating around, I personally took the new BG demos to mammoth this summer, then my buddy took them to south america, there were 2 solid demo days at stevens pass with every ski, and at hood just swing by the office. I know you live on the east, but people out eat have them to you know, why not ask someone when you see a pair.
3. i dont think you understand why very small brands do not sell in shops. Say it cost x amount of money to make a ski, well a shop will only buy it for close to that amount(due to current product volume), so on3p wouldn't be making any profit at all, so they sell in house and cut out the middle man. There is talk about having a showcase in a shop or two in the northwest, but nothing is final yet.

most people do a thing called read reviews and some even ask questions about a ski before they buy it, shocking right? out of everyone that bought on3ps, very few of us were lucky enough to get to try some out in the proto stage, and even then it didnt tell us what the final product would be like. We had faith in scott, gave him our money, and we walked away with the best skis every pressed.
Sep 15 2010 2:26PM
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RudyGarmisch
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And I'll be the sixth one to quote you, sorry.

My goal in this company is to produce the best ski I can make and be able to give it to people for as cheap as possible. Everything else comes after these two principles.

Last year when I joined the company, we were making tons of Billy Goats, and in finishing, we werent happy. We ended up scrapping all the skis because they weren't a high enough quality. Mostly minor things too, like edges being a bit thin in the tips. I've seen thinner edges at ski shops from major manufacturers, and yeah, they could have gone out and lasted as long as any ski would. But what I'm passionate about is making a better ski. Theres no point in us making small batches of OCD-induced handcrafted and finished skis if they're only as good as everything else.

We did have our delays, and we've stressed how sorry we were to people who canceled last year. It was a rough year last year, Scott and I definitely didnt sleep much, or have days off or ski or see our friends or family. But in the end we were satisfied with the skis we were making and are proud of the quality we've achieved. With double the workforce in here and a huge jump on the season, delays should be history for us, and we're making double the number of skis we could last year. We've got different things planned for this year and you'll see proof of that soon. Not to spoil anything, but we are running a huge demo tour this year. We always have had demo skis at our factory (we had every model and size last year, will again this year), and Mt Hood is conveniently almost always open. Shops are a longer discussion, but the quick of it is, to really do shops we either need to charge a lot more for our skis or produce in a much larger volume than we're doing now, and I wont ever push for an increase in volume if that means I can no longer hand inspect and work with ever ski that comes out of our press.

If its anything to back up what I'm saying, people that have our skis are happy, I think. You just had three people above me offer to lend their personal pair to you or anyone to try them out, kinda cool.
Sep 15 2010 5:22PM
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factory81
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I respect you the most mrt :P, so i will respond to you.

In regards to #3. I think that is a necessary evil to unfortunately get your shit in to shops. i know its cutting out the middle man. but that middle man allows me to touch and hold their product in real life.

if they add a middle man to the equation they will devalue their skis. since they will be sold to dealers for less, and then they can be the next ski company that ends up having year end blow outs on their skis because thye have to produce more than just the exact demand for their skis.

reviews are great but i still find it hard to purchase a ski based purely on reviews.

I want to see what all the hype is about. And my hope is that ON3P would try and get themselves in every ski town/area worth it (Mammoth, Tahoe, Jackson, Bozeman, Whistler, Park City/SLC, Colorado is "difficult" but you could say Dillon I suppose.)


Once people have a chance to ski on a pair of skis, they obviously feel much more comfortable pulling the trigger and getting the plastic or cash out.
Sep 15 2010 5:50PM
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factory81
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I appreciate your desire to produce the best quality product, and the fact that you strive for perfection.

I hope to have a chance to ride a pair of Wrenagade's myself. You have no idea how much I wanted to buy a pair last year, but just like you don't buy cars without test driving them (i hope?). I don't buy skis I don't have a chance to ski.

I did that one time (bought b4 having a chance to demo), and that'll be the last time I ever do that. It was a mistake, but good reviews on the net gave me the impression I made a great choice.

I wish ON3P the best of luck in the 10-11 season and hope you grow and prosper as a company.

I didn't want to come off as griping. It was either a pair of ON3P's of some Surface skis last year. I got my hands on a pair of Surface skis, and yeah I knew what I was buying and I loved the product. Your average consumer cares about these things.

I know 3 people above me offered to let me demo their skis, but lets face it. That offer isn't on the table for everyone. I got plenty of comments on the rocker of the one life's. One guy I even saw two days in a row where there was 1ft+ of fresh. He was on his straight sticks from back out east, asking about my skis and why they are like that. I told them about them, and where he could go demo a pair.

Next day, another foot of fresh.....and I happen to run in the same guy again on Supreme.....with a pair of one life's on.

Once again, wish you guys the best in the 10-11 season.


Sep 15 2010 6:00PM
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Balto
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ive demoed out all my skis countless times (blue steeles much less due to the fks, but still did). When ever someone is interested in them, I always offer to let them take a run or 2 on them assuming their bsl is in the right range. I would hope everyone would be this kind, but I know many are not.
Sep 15 2010 6:22PM
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Dustin.
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I have been asked but I have FKS on my Billy Goats and that never works out unless the BSL is almost exactly the same.  My J-mos are a new edition and I'm sure I'm going to have to part with them for a run or two as they have Mojo 15s on them :)
Sep 15 2010 10:14PM
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factory81
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Yeah.

I guess what I am getting at is, you offering to allow NS users to demo your skis is a very generous offer.

But I believe, and this is just my stupid ass opinion apparently, but I believe if more consumers had the ability to get their hands on this product it would increase sales, exposure, and yada yada you get what I am talking about.


Thats why I said earlier it would be pretty sweet if they could get more then just resorts in the oregon area to have their sticks on hand (mt. hood, and was there another? who cares).

Oh well.....

I'll cross my fingers and hope for a place to demo skis @ in SLC this winter.
Sep 15 2010 10:15PM
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arandomname
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Quick question: Where did you mount your Jmos?

Sep 15 2010 10:24PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Hey if your every in norway hit me up. I let you ride my on3ps and show you all the nice stashes.
Sep 16 2010 3:19AM
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Dustin.
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Yes, that is an extremely obvious conclusion.  It's also been made quite clear why they can't do much more than demo locally so far.  What they've done in a year far surpasses what most new businesses manage to do.
Sep 16 2010 10:04AM
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Dustin.
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-2, but to be honest I don't think -2 or -3 rides much differently at all, and anything from center to -1.5 feels about the same as well.  For park, center to -1.5.  For a more versatile ride, -2 or -3 is great.
Sep 16 2010 10:05AM
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pigglywiggly
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Does anyone possibly know around when the 171 blue steeles will be ready?
Sep 16 2010 10:29AM
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matt22matt
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late this month early next month for 181s.. guessing 171 should be somewhere near that?
Sep 16 2010 10:48AM
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Dustin.
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They will probably do 181 J-mos either before or after the 181 BS since I'm pretty sure they are the same exact shape and rocker profile and won't need a different setup.  If it's after, then 171 would take a few extra days I bet.  This is just speculation of course...
Sep 16 2010 12:23PM
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Gnarmy
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Although im not the biggest fan of on3p these guys seem to be getting after it.. Im interested to see what they are able to pull of in the future!
Sep 16 2010 12:27PM
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Session
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If you don't believe this I can tell you first hand that they have STACKS of last years BG's that they didn't feel were high enough quality to put out the door. They could have done like some other companies and blew them out in a blem sale. But they clearly didn't want an inferior product with their name on it out on the slopes.

On a personal note. I stopped by the shop this spring intent on buying some Wren's. The only ones they had were a pair that had only just slightly been ground to far on the edge at the tail end of the ski. So minor that I hardly could tell even when it was pointed out to me by Scott. They wouldn't sell me them because they weren't perfect. THAT is how a company should be run. I totally respect that, and will be a customer as long as I ski.

If you want a quality boutique ski then you have to deal with the very minor issues of not getting them until they are done. ON3P is growing, but they are doing it in a sensible manner.

Sep 16 2010 3:31PM
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Caveman.
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When I started working here that was one of the first things I noticed. Many of the skis I would have had no problem riding but Scott and Rowen cared about the overall quality of the ski and making sure everything was dialed that they were deemed unsellable.
Sep 16 2010 5:32PM
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Killa_BeeKnees
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this please
Sep 16 2010 11:23PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Yup thats kip.
Sep 17 2010 1:54AM
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Caveman.
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Ya man. That was an interesting day Im sure?
Sep 17 2010 1:55AM
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Myfirstname.
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My threads and... AAAAH! My caylors should be here sometime next week methinks!
Sep 17 2010 4:16AM
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Luc.
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ever since i saw the hard work the guys did last year and the amount of customer service given, i have no choice but to buy a pair of on3ps as my next skis.

just on their customer service ALONE...not even taking into account the quality of their product(which from what i hear is higher then average), they should still be high on the list of skizzles.

Sep 17 2010 7:39PM
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Balto
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haha i dont think I ever apologized for the incident in the office after lunch, that wasn't planned at all
Sep 17 2010 7:47PM
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