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McDonalds Rail session

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poniverus
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i HOPE this shall cause some reasonable convo's....post your position and a reason why...i think its sorta good i mean look at that setup....dope dub kink w/stairs, when was the last time a company gave us one to play around on? none that i remember...everyone is saying keep our sport away from the corporate world and what not...yes i agree but lets not keep us totally sheltered from it!! we need money, look at snowboarding, they get paid HUGE bucks because they grew big with other companies, skiing is the opposite. i donno about you but it'd be nice to do what you love AND get paid the way snowboarders do (more than us) haha....well if ANYONE understood that then give me a reply...lates


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Apr 28 2004 11:42PM
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shootr
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^precisely.
Read your original statement.. the opening of this thread. You asked for Opinions, and opened up to 'convos'.
Well you got an opinion that differed from yours..so you don't want to hear it.
That is Weak.
you should have wrote 'this is what I think, all that agree chime in'.

I am going to add my opinion.
Though skiing is in sore need of cash influx towards the progressive sector of the sport, (the rest of skiing is fat with capitol.. ), and greater prize purses will inevitably lead to more people training themselves to achieve the skills required to win these purses therefor progressing the core of this sport.. there is a price to pay by allowing just ANY corporation to supply the funds.
McDonalds did not set up the 'McD's rail session' because they believed that it would benefit skiers or snowboarders, they did it because in their fifty plus year history they have for once lost money, and are now scrambling to target a wider market. This goes hand in hand with the 'I'm lovin' it' campaign. Mcdonalds corp. looks at the rail session as an avenue into a future market share... THEY DO THIS FOR THEIR PROFIT, NOT OURS... now this is fine in corporate world as ALL companies sponsor for their own benefit... the problem comes with WHO sponsors.. if mcd's sponsors a large prize purse event, they will attract alot of top atheletes, which gives them great exposure.. all fine and good, but core companies to the sport (Ie small ski manufacturers, like 4frtn and Armada) will NEVER be able to financially compete.. so they will LOSE exposure.. if they lose exposure, and with it sales.. they will die. This is the most important thing to consider, because McDonalds will NEVER provide you with a single peice of gear for the sports you love.
They will like a parasite infect these sports, and drain the financial tools from them until the host dies.
Then where will skiing be?
Remember.... skiing DOES need a future.. and the future of skiing certainly won't be found on a grill.

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Apr 29 2004 11:25PM
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EaStCoaSt11
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anthony the last thing you need is free dollar menu for a year. hahahhah




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Apr 30 2004 12:06AM
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canonrider
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^^ Thanks alot dude....i didnt even think of that point, and i agree 110%

Before the mcdicks sponsored event, down home events like the triple challenge had a purse for 5,000$ for first place? and the X games is a 10,000 grand prize, and i think that the US open as well as the VT open have pretty hefty purses.... it doesnt seem to me that there is a shortage of prize money, and pros are still heading to these events in flocks, and this season we saw more rookies then any year, from schiller and rainville, balsen and soldberg, bibby, reed and countless others are coming out WITHOUT the aid of mcdonalds.
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Apr 30 2004 12:36AM
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oOOo
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Ok, Read this book:
Fast Food Nation: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal, then you wont be so down with McDonalds.
Some scary knowledge to be gained right there. Ok brief summary for you who dont believe me:

'he moves behind the counter with the overworked and underpaid teenage workers, onto the factory farms where the potatoes and beef are grown, and into the slaughterhouses run by giant meatpacking corporations.
Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat. '

Schlosser's myth-shattering survey stretches from California's subdivisions where the business was born to the industrial corridor along the New Jersey Turnpike where many fast food's flavors are concocted. Along the way, he unearths a trove of fascinating, unsettling truths -- from the unholy alliance between fast food and Hollywood to the seismic changes the industry has wrought in food production, popular culture, and even real estate. He also uncovers the fast food chains' disturbing efforts to reel in the youngest, most susceptible consumers.'

Boom, read that shit then make your mind up.
Apr 30 2004 5:11AM
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oOOo
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What bothers me about it is that McDonalds are aligning themselves with a sport full of healthy people in order to make that link in your mind between health and mcdonalds when in fact if you eat load of mcdonalds you aint going to stay healthy for long.
Apr 30 2004 5:17AM
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apestead
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o my god, who gives a flying fuck, you all should just be happy that mc donalds ponies up the large amount of money to put this on, who gives a fuck,, just be happy that large corporations are willing to sponser such events, with out them, there wouldnt be events
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Apr 30 2004 12:04PM
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canonrider
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^ did you even read the points that were making??
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Apr 30 2004 1:21PM
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newschool_huck69
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Basicly is what you guys are saying is you dont care who sponsors our sport? as long as we are getting sponsored? Cause that is what it is pretty much coming down to.
off the topic... how much was the prize?
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Apr 30 2004 2:07PM
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mckeeman
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apparently mcdonalds CEO just died of a heart attack like a week ago...irony?


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Apr 30 2004 2:09PM
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newschool_huck69
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And companys like Armada wil never be able to out do Mcdonalds cash... so in order to have a skiing world with Armada and and other progressive companies, they need all the support they can get. Or once we grow to a larger scale, companies like mcdonalds will move in and ruin what we and comapnies like armada helped get us there, just cause they see an advertiement threw our sport.
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Apr 30 2004 2:11PM
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shootr
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Why should I be happy that McDs ponys up money?
did the money go in my pocket?
Did the money make a better ski for me to ski on?
Did the money lower lift ticket prices?
WTF did the money do to benefit skiing?
The money was used to align Mcds with as someone pointed out.. an extremely strong symbol of healthy living.
Most of the people watching the contest could have cared less about Iannick's sex changes.. or 270 disasters.. they cared that JT was going to be there handing out some oversized cheques.. it was a crowd of teenage girls.
with too much makeup.. and not enough clothes.

As an event it was well organized, yes. it went very smoothly, but it REEKED of smarmy commercialization... Yes, Rex could use the money, so he get dressed as a clown and slides a rail..
but think of that statement alone..
'Look at the clown on skis..sliding a rail'
Skiing is a sport.. not a circus attraction.

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Apr 30 2004 2:13PM
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vantownloc
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mcdonalds is my pimp.
Apr 30 2004 3:05PM
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poniverus
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ok we're not talking about how bad mcdonalds is for you....we were talking about how it is good to get some money in the sport.....and yes it sooner or later WILL benefit the ski you ski on.


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Apr 30 2004 3:36PM
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canonrider
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'we were talking about how it is good to get some money in the sport.....and yes it sooner or later WILL benefit the ski you ski on.'

The dude with the armada icon, just spelled out simply, how mcdonalds sponsoring events will NOT benefit our sport, but rather bully the other roots companies like armada and PONIVEROUS out of the game, because they cant compete. READ THE POINTS PEOPLE ARE MAKING. Stop being so ignorant and thinking that any money is good money. It goes so much deeper then that.

And to the dude who talked about rex dressing up as ronald mcdonald, thats a huge point. We dont want to be look at as a circus attraction.
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Apr 30 2004 3:54PM
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vantownloc
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^ dude, you are so so correct.
Apr 30 2004 4:00PM
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poniverus
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i'm laughing......see hahahaha


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Apr 30 2004 4:06PM
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Ryno
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it is next to impossible now to keep skiing 'core' and not trying to make it a big thing. to all you 'corporation haters' out there...all hypocrites. like (i think it was kami) said that look at what you are wearing and where you eat most of the time, where you buy your clothes...this large corporations you hate so much own most of these places now. Hell, Tim Hortins isnt even Canadian owned! its owned by wendy's now. These large corporations are the people who run the world. they can pressure governments into bending the rules for them n e wayz. these are the people who influence the rest of the world...also, i am pretty sure that the 5 largest corporations in the worlds (in terms of revenues) are all U.S based...
A view on the downfall of the US by 221:
'godzilla man. he's gonna show up and shit will hit the fan.'

ellermann -> i hope you realize you just threw yourselves a birthday party online. just think about that for a little while

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Apr 30 2004 4:12PM
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newschool_huck69
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whoa justin timberlake gave out the check?
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Apr 30 2004 4:22PM
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vantownloc
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^^ hey guy, be careful. i don't eat any food but non-gm and free renage. i also don't shop at the gap or any clothing stores that manufacture their products overseas to take advantage fo cheap labour. no mind you i live in vancouver and the community in which i live (east van) is notorious for allowing this life style.

just cause you are willing to sell your soul to a money grubbing corporation dosen't make the rest of us who take these things very seriously hypocrites.

you have a lot to learn about the world.
Apr 30 2004 4:25PM
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vantownloc
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i would add that it's ppl like you who keep these death machines going with your blind support and manufactured consent. sheeple.


Apr 30 2004 4:27PM
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canonrider
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Ryno, who are you to say who i support and who i dont? I never eat fast food or tim hortons, and the clothes i wear, and who i buy them from are small core companies or from thrift stores. Assuming things about people isnt a good way to go about winning arguments
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Apr 30 2004 4:35PM
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Ryno
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unless u sew ur own clothes...u are probably supporting them too. most of the 'template' shirts that companies use to screen on there logo ect are all made by some divison of the companies. It is almost impossible to cut these corportaions out of your life.

and what do u mean by 'people like me...' ?

A view on the downfall of the US by 221:
'godzilla man. he's gonna show up and shit will hit the fan.'

ellermann -> i hope you realize you just threw yourselves a birthday party online. just think about that for a little while

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Apr 30 2004 4:37PM
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vantownloc
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^ werd.
Apr 30 2004 4:37PM
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vantownloc
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'werd' make that to canonrider.

but ryno,.... actually it is not that hard at all to get away. you just don't know how to escape from it because you don't really want to and that is the point.

there's a whole world out there man. open yr eyes.
Apr 30 2004 4:39PM
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canonrider
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^werd... .and i never said 'people like you' so i dont know where your getting that from.

Ryno, judging from the points i've made in this thread, you can probably see that i do care about the stuff i put in and on my body. I do look into the stuff i buy, i do look into who does the screen printing, and i do look into who produces it. Im very concious of where my money goes, because i dont want to support the people im fighting against.
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Apr 30 2004 4:48PM
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Durtschi
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you dont see Siver Cartel sponsoring a rail jam because they dont have 10000 bones to blow, and mcdonalds does, so welcome to corporate america



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Apr 30 2004 8:48PM
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shootr
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First let me clarify, I am NOT anti corporate.
I am NOT anti big business,
I am however PRO skiing.
Being pro skiing for me means that when someone asks my opinion on what I think is good for this sport I will offer it honestly.
And I honestly feel that though it was great for Iannick and some of my peeps to make some dough the other night, it was not good for skiing in general.
I don't expect to stop corporate involvement in my life or my sport, I do however have and hold opinions on whether the effects are positive or not.
In this case I think the short term benefit (cash to a select group of INVITED atheletes) was far outweighed by the long term negative effects.
I might have felt differently had McDs sponsored an OPEN rail jam.
This being a pro invite only event solidified the rational that the only benefit this really generated was providing leverage to MCds target market campaign to young america.
They brand associated themselves with icons of the youth such as ski/board pros.. and young pop singers like JT.

You can all come here and say whatever you like about the benefit of money in the sport.. that is undeniable, but if there is to be an actual benefit, the money has to head back to the sport.
in this case it heads away.


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Apr 30 2004 9:31PM
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newschool_huck69
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Right on to the dude from van. I live on a small gulf island called saltspring (you know where that is?) Im a veggie, and stay away from that shit too. Its defintly possible to not surport them in many ways. and ryno, that shits weak!
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Apr 30 2004 9:36PM
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mckeeman
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you want to be core? All of you go out and buy up a wardrobe of Jib Culture clothing. We are about as core as it gets. We are so core I'll go down and make the shirts myself. www.jibculture.com


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May 1 2004 12:05PM
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core to the core
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May 1 2004 1:34PM
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Girays_Brother
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i do think its cool that people are starting to recognize our sport.. on the other hand i dont like the idea of having companys that have nothing to do with skiing try to promote it.. thats when posers come in.... our sport should only be sponsored by skiing companys



i pee on ur face but i dont care..
i take off ur little sisters underwear
shes only three so shes never seen a wee wee
so i told her it was a lollypop and the flavor was salty.
shoved in her mouth, it punctured through her cheek broke the glasses of that three year old geek.
r. kelly did the same but im not about to give him the blame cuz fucking littles girls is just my game
May 1 2004 4:57PM
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vantownloc
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corporate america true dat! but see i live in canada and got the hell out of the us so i don't wanna see their shit up here. they smell like turds.

but anyways what the fuck ever, the masters is here and that shit is the real fucking deal not some wack shit.
May 1 2004 11:55PM
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Typical
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yo we dont need money in our sport, fuck it we can ski for the sake of skiing. i dont need to be a skank ass rich kid just for skiing, i will do it becasue i love it
May 2 2004 12:09AM
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apestead
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wow this turned into a fucking hippy thread, fags
Hell yahh. im up in the motha fucka
May 2 2004 12:17AM
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vantownloc
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hippie thread? hahahaha. that's mad funny.

so my last comment on this is a movie about a guy who ate nothing but mcdonalds for a whole month.

this is nota an add so hopefully the mods won't delete it but it is more than topical. you shuld know where the money comes from. surely we can find better sponsers for our sport.

http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=aboutmovie
May 2 2004 1:45AM
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canonrider
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This is my last post on the matter as well. You cant change people who dont want to be changed.

Best of luck getting out of the box

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May 2 2004 2:58AM
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I think that mcdonalds is cool for doing it but I think that it was retarded (if this is true. i heard it on powdermags web site so I think it is) to have justin timberlake there! he is the worst! keep him out of skiing
Jesus saves!
Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
May 2 2004 8:24AM
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Girays_Brother
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^^word to that man.. fuck timberlake



i pee on ur face but i dont care..
i take off ur little sisters underwear
shes only three so shes never seen a wee wee
so i told her it was a lollypop and the flavor was salty.
shoved in her mouth, it punctured through her cheek broke the glasses of that three year old geek.
r. kelly did the same but im not about to give him the blame cuz fucking littles girls is just my game
May 2 2004 8:32AM
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poniverus
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yes lets keep timberlake out....and bring in some olsen twins? anyone concurR?


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May 2 2004 9:27AM
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Girays_Brother
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i concur



i pee on ur face but i dont care..
i take off ur little sisters underwear
shes only three so shes never seen a wee wee
so i told her it was a lollypop and the flavor was salty.
shoved in her mouth, it punctured through her cheek broke the glasses of that three year old geek.
r. kelly did the same but im not about to give him the blame cuz fucking littles girls is just my game
May 2 2004 9:44AM
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quebecfreestyler
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timberlake is so hot right now, i bet he was ronald
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May 2 2004 11:20AM
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jibber2004
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i cant believe you all think that skateboarder and snowboarders are rich because of corporations.only the best of the best and most popular people will benefit in getting more money.all the people i see who are pro in skating are pretty much broke, they get there money from sales on the products with there name on it. So you have to be extremely popular to get any good amount of money in.IT will be the same in skiing, people like tanner will get more money while the people who also deserve it might not get anything because they are not as well known. Big corporations also backstab you more.
May 2 2004 11:30AM
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skicraze123
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oh man i hate macdonalds there food tastes like shit u wanna get fast food burgers go to harveys hehe

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May 2 2004 4:03PM
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Durtschi
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you can only get the double big mac in canada that thing is tastie



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May 7 2004 9:31PM
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