i dont know about u guys, but if it is nething, i dnt really like selll outs. i know they are pobalby making much more money selling out and turning pop or whatever, but i think it is gay. like blink 182 is so much better on there cd 'dude ranch' than on any other cd of theres. or green day used to be much better but then they became popular. i think that jimmy eat world is goin to sell otu but i dont really care cause i still think they will be the shit. later