Reason to support arizona's immigration laws? here's one.

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if we could find find a way to legalize them, and stop them from being street criminal drugs? I'm all for it, as long as it's regulated and taxed the fuck out of... with all of the taxes from the higher category drugs going to help rehab addicts and abusers as well as educate about the true effects of such substances.

It works pretty alright for the netherlends... if we did the same thing and even improved the education and regulation of such substances, then I think we could do even better than they do.

And I will REFUSE to hear anyone who says, "oh, well that's the netherlands, they are a different culture and a smaller country blah blah blah they have the ability to do that stuff a lot better"

This is america bitch. Stop being a pussy. If you think a small european country can outperform americans at such a thing, then you dont deserve to go around saying "america, fuck yeah" and go around toting your gun...

Grow some American sized balls, and do this shit, America!

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Been done in Portugal too and works pretty well.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Aug 15 2010 9:19PM

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Isn't hypocrisy some sort of requirement for being considered a member of the "tea party"?

Aug 15 2010 9:45PM

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While I do think it's your own fucking problem for getting caught breaking the law, you make a very valid point.

You see the same issue on "dry" college campuses everywhere.

In the neighborhoods surrounding my school, people are regularly robbed and mugged, and there was even a rash of home invasions, but instead of going after those people in a legitimate way, cops just continue to chase after the easy pickings. 18-20 year olds with red dixie cups and noise complaints.

Power needs to be put back in the hands of the people to handle the riff raff. I am ready to be deputized. If the government will pay my mileage, I'll be happy to spend my summers deporting illegals in my personal vehicle. Talk about having fun and serving my country at the same time!

Aug 15 2010 10:21PM

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You live in GA...

Most kids on NS have no idea how many illegal immigrants there are in the southwestern states. My dad's cousin who lives in Mass and spent a year in CA said "people on the east have no idea just how real it is, they just don't get it." he's right, all these people constantly picking on AZ don't really know that this shit is real. What does it mean to my citizenship when someone comes in illegally and has an anchor baby, which is a citizen automatically. It's horseshit. Dingo, I'm not trying to pick a fight and I usually agree with you, but what seems so incorrect about the law? If you live here, show the officer your papers, if you don't live here, then you don't belon here? Seems totally sensible to me. America is full of dumbasses. If i weren't on my phone I'd go into issues about drugs, but it's too much to type on an iPhone.

Aug 15 2010 10:28PM

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i agree. in the begining of the migration of the immigrants it wasnt so bad. but then more and more people came to the states which made our economy go to hell. because they don't pay taxes and are illegally living in the states. they use our public schools for free so essentially we are paying for immigrants to live. when i go to work i know that my money is know going to help an immigrant

Aug 15 2010 10:33PM

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Because those are totally what Mexicans are bringing into the US....

Learn to think.

Aug 15 2010 10:33PM

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The issue is that it discriminates against a certain race. Just because most illegals are mexicans doesn't mean its acceptable to just pull over any brownish person you see without probable cause.

Aug 15 2010 10:37PM

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True but USA is an awsome country and people shouldnt be able to abuse the country

Aug 15 2010 10:41PM

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It would be an awesome country if people still upheld the constitution.

The solution to the immigration problem is not any sort of discriminatory law.

Aug 15 2010 10:43PM

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if we dont start taking action immigrants are going to run this country into the ground and everyone will be dirt poor

Aug 15 2010 10:44PM

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Annndddd im out.

Aug 15 2010 10:46PM

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how about people look up the kidnapping and crime rates currently in arizona, california and new mexico. funny how they drastically went up since the war on drugs began... but hey man, don't want to insult those legal immigrants by asking them for papers!

Aug 15 2010 10:50PM

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Yeah man fuck Mexicans because Mexico sucks.

Aug 15 2010 10:52PM

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Hmm... crime rates go up when the war on drugs start.

I wonder what the solution could be...

Aug 15 2010 10:53PM

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well seeing how the current laws are not helping... we should just leave them the same and deny the states' right to protect themselves because they may offend some people.

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wat?

Surely stopping the war on drugs which is a MASSIVE failure is the solution...

The laws aren't wrong because they 'offend' people... they're wrong because they're discriminatory and unconstitutional.

Hitler wasn't wrong to round up all the Jews and send them to concentration camps because it offended people. (Bad example but you know what i mean).

Aug 15 2010 11:11PM

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I was mostly just alluding to the asking people for their papers. Who the fuck else does that? Shit dude... Australia and Europe have immigration issues too, but they find ways to cut them off rather than just wasting time asking for their papers, and sending them back in buses so they can just sneak back over again... Asking for papers just sounds plain Nazi...

With all that stated, I never said the law was entirely incorrect, I just think there are much better ways of going about mitigating the immigration issue than installing such a law... Dont try to push back the immigration... cut it off at its source... nip the fucker in the bud.

stop being a pussy, Arizona. Stop wasting time making legislation that goes after the little guys that are just here picking peppers, and start going after serious immigration offenders, the ones who smuggle drugs in past the Gila River, and into the country... You know where they are... theyre in meth houses outside glendale, and growing weed in those empty houses in Mesa, Scottsdale, and places that have been hit hard by the housing bubble...

Not only that, but ALSO GO AFTER BUSINESSES THAT HIRE THESE PEOPLE... I forgot to mention that. That's the fucking D: part of my plan... If there are no jobs for these people... if you're hiring real legit fucking americans, then there is no goddamn problem, because these people wont have jobs once they get here. What happened when the housing bubble burst? Mexicans went back in DROVES because they couldnt get any goddamn jobs... Keep cutting off jobs to them, and they are not going to be coming here... Shit... they were running back so fast after they couldnt get landscaping jobs that Mexico started getting a bit pissed at us. KEEP THAT UP...

Dont build a wall to keep them out... cut off their jobs so they wont come in. DUH...

The arizona law itself isnt the problem... It's the fact that nobody sees the REAL FUCKIN ISSUE.

Aug 15 2010 11:23PM

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trying to legalize all drugs is still an attack on the cartels and there will still be violence. they're not dumb. they will still defend any attacks on their income including legalizing drugs.

Aug 15 2010 11:34PM

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What are they going to do? Storm the White House?

Aug 15 2010 11:39PM

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you really think the giant multi-billion dollar drug cartels are going to lay down and go, "welp, sorry guys that's it! let's open up some opium dens and weed shops and make honest livings now!" it'd turn into the mob but magnified a thousand times worse. not to mention that wouldn't solve any of the kidnappings, extortion and cartel violence issues going on right now. not everything can be solved by saying its ok to smoke weed outside.

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Legalizing drugs has lowered crime rates everywhere it has been attempted.

I don't see how it can make the problem any worse.

Aug 15 2010 11:49PM

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Skiierman, are you an alt of Klazo? Nobody else on this website is wrong as frequently as you two are.

Aug 15 2010 11:55PM

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Arizona like the ice tea? dat isht tastey.

Aug 15 2010 11:56PM

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No, obviously I'm not saying thats the issue with illegal immigration, that would be retarded. I'm saying the safety thing is the big argument that proponents of the Arizona law are associating with the Mexican drug cartels.

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No, that's not it at all... The point is they'd be forced into a bit of a corner... Losing a lucrative thing like Marijuana trade would force them to only trade in harder drugs that have much stiffer penalties involved for those they employ.

Not only that, but it would make enforcement agencies focus go more onto exactly that trade... the harder drugs that is.

No more petty bullshit meddling with a few kids who grow a few pot plants in their backyard and then making yourself feel good by busting them...

How bout making serious busts and fuck the shit out of some foreign drug operations? That sounds way more rad, and would gain my support right away...

Not everything will be solved, no... but it will cut off a MASSIVE part of their funding.... its cutting off an entire product trade, basically... and the ONLY thing they could even do is hope they could make enough by undercutting the US government with shitty mass produced weed that we'd figure out is crap within seconds... and even then they wouldnt make even half of what they're making now on the shit because it's no big deal anymore.

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well i think what my point is of this whole thread is that one reason to provide stronger borders/boarder enforcement is because of the drug war that is going on right now in mexico. they're going after the head of the snake and a lot of the cartels operatives are not legal citizens. they sneak on in along with the other illegals and they're not hanging out in a home depot parking lot. this drug war violence is seeping into our country. yeah legalizing weed would help drug enforcing in THIS country for sure and may in turn help (a little) in keeping the cartels out. but really what i'm getting at in this thread, my point, is that because of the growing/intense violence in mexico a law like checking papers and putting pressure on a lot of illegals will drastically help keep the violence of mexico out of our states... and of course help with the illegal immigration. hell 2 million illegals left arizona when they heard about it becoming close to being enacted. call me crazy but i believe its a necessary evil to deal with such a unique blown out situation that other countries don't deal with. are there other ways to deal with illegal immigration? sure, such as what you proposed already. but will that deal with the cartels coming in turning our border states into unsafe and potential war zones? no. yeah legalizing marijuana would help our drug enforcement agencies fight the cartels by going after the more hard drugs, but why let it get to that point? drug cartels are not sensitive to other peoples' feelings so why do we have to not enact something that is PROVEN to be very effective because it'd hurt the feelings of legal immigrants? there's a fucking war going on and it has and will continue to creep into our country if we continue to be pussies about it. again, necessary evil to deal with a much bigger issue.

Aug 16 2010 12:33AM

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Here's the thing... anyone really involved with the drug trade is not going to usually be in a spot where some cop is going to be around to check papers... Yeah, a bunch of illegals are said to have left for new mexico, and nevada and colorado and california and shit, but really, i doubt the grand majority of them were by any true means really part of cartel drug trade. Maybe a few of the pussy henchmen... but nobody who really had anything set up...

If you want to really catch them, you're going to have to do a lot more than checking papers... these guys have multi million dollar budgets... they can forge the fuck out of shit... they are not the guys in the camp on the great escape here... If they want to get in? they'll get in... and that's what we need to stop...

killing some of their trading possibilities is going to screw up their plans quite a bit, and allow us to focus more in on arming some homies to the teeth with assult rifles and shooting the shit out of these guys' meth labs and warehouses where they store all the coke and heroine to distribute...

Anyone directly involved with the drug trade is going to shoot the shit out of a cop well before said cop could ask to see his papers...

Aug 16 2010 12:48AM

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here's an offbeat question and you got to be honest. among the following people would you be most comfortable to run into?

1. a black male wearing somewhat gang-suggestive clothing
2. a mexican/hispanic wearing somewhat gang-suggestive clothing
3. a middle eastern wearing a turban, full beard looking very traditional

i'd say the middle eastern fellow.

Aug 16 2010 12:55AM

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Quite offbeat. I'd honestly agree with you... but i'd say the same if you put anybody in gang-suggestive clothing, black white, purple brown, asian orange, green or fluorescent against somebody who was wearing traditional or at least 'normal' clothing.

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All this proves is that you're a racist motherfucker. At least if you picked a gang member you could claim stereotyping.

Aug 16 2010 1:11AM

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whoa man, its a harmless question and you're lying to yourself if you don't know the answer.

Aug 16 2010 1:15AM

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I wouldnt say racist... I'd say prejudice...

and in this case... i'm sure that anyone in gang suggestive clothing would trigger such reactions... like i said, from any ethnicity...

Aug 16 2010 1:16AM

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yeah and it also proves that even though the media constantly portrays the middle-eastern extremists, we still don't associate them with the people blowing themselves up at all.

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Well I'll start by saying that you are crazy. According to wikipedia Arizona's population is about 6.5 million people. You're going to say that 30% of Arizona's population just up and left and I haven't heard about this? No way. And I haven't sat down in my free time to read the immigration bill but as far as I know, it really only mimics what Federal laws already state, that being in this country without proper citizenship is ILLEGAL. Obama's little rant on how the "suddenly, if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re gonna be harassed. That’s something that could potentially happen. That’s not the right way to go." That's the actual quote and thats complete bullshit. You have to be caught committing or under suspicion of committing a crime to be asked about your immigration status. I'm pretty sure Mexican-Americans are already carrying identification and have no reason not to, by law i'm pretty sure to drive to a place as simple as an ice cream shop you're still required to carry ID. Perhaps a case could pop up where someone of say spanish descent in Arizona is detained for a short amount of time because they had no identification and maybe also didn't speak english? Not that that means they really are illegal immigrants but i'm just hypothesizing a scenario. People are wrongfully detained for things all the time and end up released shortly after. Yeah it fucking sucks for them, but ya know freedom isn't free and many times it's at the cost of American lives. While I was searching for that Obama quote I came across an awful story (but obviously relevant), but i'll link this one because this post got out of hand and i'm tired.

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/13757

As for the cartel violence in Mexico. Wikipedia also has a listing for the the number of deaths as a result from the Mexican Drug War.

62 killed in December 2006

2,477 killed in 2007

6,290 killed in 2008
7,724 killed in 2009

6,768 killed in 2010
Total killed: 23,321 (December 2006–August 2010)

That's a huge amount of people, it includes 1,000+ Federal forces, police, and prosecutors killed,

208 Federal Police, and 58 reporters killed. I'd say protecting American lives and safety is paramount, nothing has worked so far so back to the drawing board. Taking away a huge market like weed no doubt force them to alter their business model. Hopefully forcing them to commit to the hard drugs that ruin/end people's lives, and law enforcement can focus their attention on things that really matter and

not spend so much time on our outdated marijuana laws that have not at all impeded it's use.

For more on the weed issue, just find a copy of The Union: The Business Behind Getting High. Great documentary.

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>implying Arabs wear turbans you ignorant racist idiot.

Aug 16 2010 1:27AM

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Legalize weed then i will.

Aug 16 2010 1:28AM

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Even these pussy Korean ones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0

They ran away from that... fucking babies.

Aug 16 2010 1:29AM

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funny how you have a problem with that, but you dont with black or mexicans all wearing gang clothes? i mean, not all blacks or mexicans wear gang clothes so i feel it shouldn't be implied that not all arabs wear turbans unless you're racist yourself! fucker.

Aug 16 2010 1:44AM

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Stop being pussy. California's doin it...

Aug 16 2010 1:46AM

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No arabs wear turbans unless they're Hindu for some reason.

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Gangs are different - they are stereotypically dangerous, thereby imposing a threat devoid of racial background.

An arab with a turban is not a threat, unless you're assuming his clothing and race make him a terrorist, and also a muslim, because of his full beard.

You are a racist because you fear muslim arabs wearing culturally significant clothing more than gang members.

Aug 16 2010 1:48AM

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They are not Korean actually haha. They are Hmong.. which is from like... laos, vietnam, and china.

Anyways... yeah... those guys are ultra fuckin pussy.

Aug 16 2010 1:49AM

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AND WILL YOU GUYS STOP CALLING EACH OTHER RACISTS... GOD DAMN...

Aug 16 2010 1:50AM

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BUT HE'S A GINGAH SEAN! A GINGAH!

Aug 16 2010 1:51AM

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whoa what? haha did you even read my shit correctly? i said i would be more comfortable with middle eastern people. get your eyes fixed you blind idiot.

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