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ARABIAN CAN U SEE ME

I CAN'T SEE YOU

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i hope i dont suffer the consequences

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wat

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New page lol.

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no more brain fuck.

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so to conclude my argument from the previous page, using simple derivatives and fundamental quantum physics can easily disprove the existence of any god.

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Only if people stop posting their grade school knowledge of Christian history, scripture, or half-baked Liberal/Atheist rhetoric. Let's keep it clean, and start over. Full thoughts, and good debating please.

OR I WILL BRING MY FULL WRATH UPON THEE.

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The only thing I find curious is that in the span of time of the whole universe, modern man has been here for a very tiny percentage. If intelligent design exists, what was this intelligence doing for the other 99.99999999...etc% of time the universe has been around? Maybe taking classes at the local community college on how to make complicated "humans"?

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I will side with Blaise Pascal and his "wager". His idea was while it cannot be proven whether or not god exist we should wager on his existence, because if he exists we have only to gain by living a life of faith and believing in him. Yet, if he exist's but you wagered on his nonexistence, you will suffer eternal misery in hell; and in the end if it turns out you were wrong and he doesn't exist, you then lived a life of meaning.

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Sorry for the double post. What I am trying to say is, it doesn't matter if god exists unless you care about your existence post mortem. Also, none can be atheist because atheism rests on the principle of the rejection of deities and it is impossible to prove they don't exist, so you are agnostic!

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I have enough proof in my mind to be able to disprove a deitie. O shit isn't that the same argument that a religious person makes? FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Proof such as...? A deity doesn't have to be a character who cares for all beings and has a son who dies on the cross for our sins. Greek Mythology is littered with vengeful gods and goddess, but that doesn't change the fact they are a deity.

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I read the whole thing and care less about it.

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so how did fundamental quantum physics get here?? it just always existed right? yea sure lets not question where this stuff came from, it was always here to begin with right....

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thanks for putting that into better words...i've been trying to convey that message this entire time

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This is not the case.

It is impossible to prove that something doesn't exist. To do so, you must search the entire universe, and once you have done that and not found the thing you are trying to prove exists, you can claim it doesn't exist. Because the universe is infinite in size, it must therefore take an infinite amount of time to search it. This means that there is never a time where you will have finished looking for the thing (god in this case), so it must be impossible to prove its existence.
On the contrary, to prove something does exist, all you have to do is find that thing.

You are only ought to do something if it is possible for you do to it. For example, if you are a doctor and someone is choking in a resturant you are in, you ought to do the heimlich (sp?) maneuver. If you just sit there while he dies people will think youre a bit of a prick.
However, if you are in the same restaurant and are chained to a wall, making it impossible for you to save the man, you are not ought to save him, because it is impossible. Nobody would hold it against you for not saving him.

Anyways, long story short, there is an infinite number of things we know don't exist, yet are obviously unable to prove don't exist. You don't believe in Santa, faries, goblins, flying spaghetti monsters, pink unicorns etc. etc. You are not agnostic about these things, you know they do not exist. In order for it to be logical to believe in one of these things, someone must show you proof that they do exist.

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This argument has been made multiple times, and the logical flaw of this argument has been given many times. This argument has already been invalidated. STOP USING IT!

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12 pages of the same argument.

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To explain it to you so you don't have to go searching back, quantum mechanics is a method of explaining what is already here, devised by very intelligent people.

The laws which it describe have always been here, and we still don't completely understand them.

Chicken before the egg. Science attempts to describe the world we live in. Not the other way around.

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don't science and religion both try to explain how the world became and what it is we live in. the whole argument is on which is right, and since no one can prove the existence of god, many people disbelieve, which i think is completely a fair thing to do, and it's not at all a glass half empty mentality.

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This is a fallacy which, in and of itself, is pretty old. Science and religion are not incompatible. I believe in Newton's Laws, Quantum mechanics, I am an electrical engineer working on my MS.

It boils down to whether you believe that the universe and the laws that govern it arose naturally or were created. I choose to believe that they were created.

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well exactly.

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Yet you insist on quoting the Mosaic scripture to support yourself. Had you stated this exact case 6 pages ago, you would've been untouchable in debate, and 99% of us would've tipped our hats to you. Neither side is completely provable with our current knowledge, but I believe the burden of proof lies upon religion, not science.

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Would you care to explain why the burden of proof lies on Religion?

And please spare me the "Religion makes the affirmative claim" argument, because it is all in the wording. Either side can be seen to be making the affirmative claim. It is simply a matter of how you word it.

"God created the universe." - Affirmative claim on Religion. My job to prove it.

"The Universe arose out of completely natural phenomena." - Affirmative claim to you. You have to prove it.

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i shot myself twice in the leg with a nail gun, then crashlanded my A-wing into planet Hoth. at this juncture it was God's plan and i shall not question it.

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Science, despite all the crap spewed by the other kids in this thread, is the human way of categorizing patterns. Nothing is inferred, unless it corresponds to a pattern. In religion a Diety, an external, unobvservable, and wholly unique force outside of the realm of natural law is said to exist, thereby adding a +1 so to speak to our categorization of patterns. While conventional science starts at 0, in which nothing exists, Religion starts at +1. What science asks (in a much more respectable way than presented in this thread) is how that +1 existed in the first place, when all of our data suggests that 0, or some negative number (implying bud universe theory or brane theory).

That is why the burden of proof lies upon religion.

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I don't think that was an affirmative claim. And before you quote my post above, also note that science must prove the <0 claim on it's own. To be mathematically logical, 0 cannot possibly exist in our scientific theorem, as well as +1, which is why the Big Bang and God are both considered illogical theories. Something HAD to come from somewhere, and that's what current cosmologists and astrophysicists are trying to find out.

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Now see, I would argue that it is just as much a +1 state to assume that there was matter and energy present in large enough quantities to produce an event of cosmic proportions the likes of which would start the Universe.

If that's not enough of a +1 assumption, no event of similar spontaneous generation, even on a much smaller scale, has been observed since.

What theory of cosmogenesis do you apply to which can explain the presence of matter or energy or a combination of both in sufficient quantity to create the universe in a basic form, without simply assuming their presence to begin with?

And to clarify, you assumed that I believed science and religion to be incompatible. I never stated anything which directly stated this. You simply inferred it because you were clearly angry.

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Sorry for the triple post, but one last thing:

The reason proof is a burden for religion, is that there are no natural patterns or evidence to support their claims, other than anecdotal. Science is attempting to prove it's claims slowly but surely, via analysis of the Universe's patterns and latent information, so it is not considered a burden, but a process. Religious debaters lie on circular logic and philosophical arguments, rather than hard evidence to support their claims.

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