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yeah but nascar had nothing to do with group b being around or not so why even say fuck nascar, like it did? and don't discount nascar, its just as fucking gnarly as any other racing out there. almost 50 have died JUST in the nascar winston series. that's not even including the busch, craftsman or modified series. just because its boring to watch doesn't make it any less "manly" of the other motor sports out there.