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Can having no racing background mean I'm not a good freeskier?

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Cincher
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I've been skiing for approximately 4 years, and I'm hearing that a lot of members had some racing background. This kinda makes me nervous, as they always tout it as improving their skiing ability overall. So, as the title says,is having no racing background mean I'm not a good freeskier?

Is there any way to make up for this? I don't wanna be grouped in with those excellent park rats that can't ski for crap outside the park!
Jul 25 2010 8:16PM
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Wobby
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Don't be stupid.
Ski outside the park if you don't want to only be good at park.
Racing is a good way to improve rapidly, but you don't have to have raced to be a good skier.
Go out and have fun, ski with your friends and push each other, and don't worry about whether or not you're a "good" freeskier.
Jul 25 2010 8:20PM
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WVskiing
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i raced for 2 years. it really helped me how to learn to ski good.
Jul 25 2010 8:24PM
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DlX
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I can see how it would help.  I've skied park the majority of my skiing life.  Up to this past season, I felt pretty solid with my trick book but I had no idea how to ski properly.  This year I took some time to actually work on turns when skiing to and from the park, and this helped a shit ton.  Being able to hold an edge and have good form can save you from crashes, as well as make you way more comfortable and gives you some style points every now and then.
Jul 25 2010 8:29PM
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Masties
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if you can ski good in the park i'm pretty sure you can ski good anywhere on the mountain....

and whats so bad about being labeled a park rat? i'd rather be labeled that than a racer.
Jul 25 2010 8:30PM
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.jesus.
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well then don't ski the park alot until you consider yourself to be a good all mountian skier try tricks off cliffs and stuff
Jul 25 2010 8:30PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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Joining a race team is not the only way to become a better skier. Ski difficult terrain and push yourself like you would in the park.

and to WVstyle+ease did it help you learn english good? (jokes)

Jul 25 2010 8:31PM
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BenWhit
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it didnt teach you how to speak english good
Jul 25 2010 8:33PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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Just charge the whole mountain, man!
Jul 25 2010 8:33PM
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JahJahBinks
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I have never taken a lesson in my life and have been skiing for 2 years, one of those years being like 8 days on snow.
Jul 25 2010 8:35PM
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panojibber
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Learned racing technique, skied like that for a few years.

Joined a mogul team, learned that and never looked back.

There is definite crossover material, but I honestly think that a mogul background is way better. Best thing I can suggest to you to improve your skiing if you don't want some mogul lessons is to join a mogul team, or to take instructor courses. The higher level instructor courses will really help you out with your skiing.

I can honestly tell exactly who comes from a mogul background when I watch ski movies - they're the ones that bend their knees.
Jul 25 2010 8:42PM
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Da_CONK
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I have been skiing for 10 years (not racing though). I have only recently moved to park. It defiantly helped not going straight to park, basically any time spent on skis will make you better. If you want to build up your general skiing skills leave the park once or twice a week and just lap the hardest trails you can do. Also I tried racing last year and for me there's nothing that I can see from just trying it that will make you a better park skier.
Jul 25 2010 8:44PM
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nickyp
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I cruised groomers for 12 years, before taking up freestyle 6 years ago. I never entered a single race, never did any training, and I don't think I'm any worse for it. Messing about on groomers taught as much about balance and ski control as any race training would have.
Jul 25 2010 8:46PM
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Cincher
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Problem: I'm in Manitoba, AKA the Canadian prairies. Cliffs and deep powder is like finding a unicorn.
Jul 25 2010 8:47PM
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Cincher
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Nothing, I just mean those people who suck outside the park.
Jul 25 2010 8:49PM
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PartyHon
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super man does good. you do well hahahahaha
Jul 25 2010 8:50PM
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summersover
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you definitely dont need to have a competitive background to be a skilled technique skier
sure doing something like racing will be beneficial to your technique but I've been skiing since I was three or something and never raced but my technique is definitely well above average (if i do say so myself haha)
the basic skills will definitely help you out in freeskiing but by no means is it necessary
the only thing that pisses me off are park rats that can throw down in the park but put them on a nice pitch and all they can do is bomb it straight down
as far as im concerned the better you are at every aspect of skiing the more fun it is
Jul 25 2010 8:58PM
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willy_baller
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that made me laugh. +K

if you ski outside the park you will be a good all around skier. just ski outside of the park on bad weather days or pow days. and depending on where you are that should even you out fairly well
Jul 25 2010 9:04PM
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Cincher
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Thanks man that makes me feel much better. +K
Jul 25 2010 9:16PM
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StReEtPIRATES
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the main advantage of a racing backround is edge control. 
Jul 25 2010 9:22PM
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EmperorKuzco
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never raced in my life
Jul 25 2010 9:25PM
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JahJahBinks
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Good job. Well***
Jul 25 2010 9:27PM
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GayWolf420
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i'm 15 (inb4 gtfo underage kid) and ive been skiing since i was 3.  i havent raced a day in my life i would consider my self a good all around skier.  theres more to skiing then just park.

Jul 25 2010 9:29PM
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scitti73
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no.
Jul 25 2010 9:36PM
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hokkanee
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You're an east coaster huh?
Jul 25 2010 9:43PM
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DlX
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Yep, and all aspects of skiing translate into eachother in one way or another.   You're hauling into a jump, groomer/race experience will help you get that little extra speed you need to clear the knuckle.  Putting on some park skis after a while of pow skis makes things much easier.  Shit, I even use rail experience when it's supppppppeeerrrrr icy and you have to side slip down a steep section.  If you're good at any aspect of skiing it's gonna help in other areas too.
Jul 25 2010 9:44PM
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FoxRiderAR77
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Theres no reason only racers are good skiers, as others said it helps, but theres a bunch of skiers like me who have never taken a single turn on a racecourse. I like park, but am pretty basic, and want to get better at it, but stay well rounded by skiing the bumps, pow and woods.
SKI MORE, thats how to get better haha
Jul 25 2010 9:49PM
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Rachy
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I raced until I was 18. Even started a team in college.

If you never join a race or mogul team in your life, you will probably be fine and can certainly still become a very advanced amazing skier.

Racing does have its benefits though. You learn how to actually use your poles. Depending on the coach, training is pretty intensive and you end up working out every single day really hard. Some people do this on their own, but being forced to do it does help. You learn how to control yourself at high speeds in many different conditions. You learn proper stance and are a lot less likely to lean back.

It is usually pretty obvious when I'm out who has been trained and who hasn't when the person is obviously under 30. But as you get older, it becomes more difficult to tell because people either have so much experience to make up for it, or they have relaxed their style so you can no longer tell.

My first days in instructor certification i was getting asked constantly if I had raced. I considered it a compliment.

Racing doesn't really help you with powder/big mountain... at least my race background doesnt...... I feel like I'm learning a new sport. :)


And the comment above about mogul skiing...... You guys are crazy amazing skiers.... so impressive.
Jul 25 2010 9:54PM
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SKIU4EA
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agreed, I think i appreciate and probably respect a skier more, that has taken the time to become well rounded, compared to some1 that laps park everyday of the ski season.

But like mentioned before, as long as you're on skis skiing somewhere, this will build the fundamentals of balance and form in park. my guess is racing could get you there a little faster.
Jul 25 2010 10:00PM
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Scrambles
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My racing background didn't help me as a park/bc skier at all. It just taught me how to look fucking stupid while skiing, I didn't enjoy it at all
Jul 25 2010 10:00PM
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Lemuel
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Yes it can mean you're not a good freeskier.
Jul 25 2010 10:12PM
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wesley.
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racing helps so much with pipe because it teaches you to stay foward. if you have a racing background it makes you a very good skier in general. like everyone on this site can slay the whole mountain(hopefully) but racing helps you be able to "properly" ski it. i put in properly because in racing you learn technique
Jul 25 2010 10:13PM
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Baskin.
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if you really like to be in the park stay there because nobody is making you leave just so you can practice a less exciting aspect of the sport

Jul 25 2010 10:22PM
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FUUUCK
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being a racer doesnt make you a great all around skier. It helps you with certain aspects of skiing.

Skiing bumps makes a much bigger difference.
Jul 25 2010 10:25PM
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TOK
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I raced for 4 years. The skills I bring into park most that I gained from that background are edge control, core balance, and good form or "style." There is this kid at my local mountain who used to roller blade then his first season jumped right into park. He had the absolute worst style and would just huck 7's off like 40ft tables and flailing everywhere in the process. He was the kid that on one of the best powder days of the year would be scraping an in-run to a rail in the park. Me and a couple of my friends took him to the back country area there and once he started making a few turns he fell in love I guess. He took almost a full year away from park and when he returned his style was so much better. Just charge all of your mountain and you'll see the benefit your exploring grants in your park game.
Jul 25 2010 10:34PM
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FoxRiderAR77
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I would think coming from rollerblading he would have some sort of style, but I guess not. I'm with you though, when there's powder you gotta shred it, the park is for practicing tricks to throw in the back country
Jul 25 2010 10:41PM
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Craig114
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this thread is pretty close to worthless. not exactly but really close
Jul 25 2010 10:46PM
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eheath
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There are tons of little shit heads on this site that haven't touched a race course in their life, you'll be okay. Just for the love of god learn how to actually ski, i feel like so many kids don't.
Jul 25 2010 10:46PM
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wesley.
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yes. and on a side note, racing will help when skiing pipe
Jul 25 2010 10:47PM
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Uncle.Badness
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I never raced but skied 12 years normally before I even rode through the park, so yeah I'd say I have a pretty good skiing background.
Jul 25 2010 10:50PM
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.peter
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nah but you need to have self confidence and creativity
Jul 25 2010 10:58PM
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ASkierNamedJaymz
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It really doesn't matter if you are a 'good freeskier' either, ski for fun, where ever you want, in my opinion its all good and don't limit yourself, but if you just like park, do it.  Don't worry about racing, but if you like racing, do it.  We all ski for fun and thats all that matters.
Jul 25 2010 11:04PM
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Cincher
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Don't worry I can actually carve and do it well.
Jul 25 2010 11:05PM
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Sheets-mmm
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i disagree
Jul 25 2010 11:17PM
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panojibber
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Massive difference between carving and good skiing. Anyone can set an edge.

Hit up a mogul course a bunch if you want to get good, and learn from the people there.
Jul 25 2010 11:40PM
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broto
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this. i see so many kids at my mountain go straight to the park on their first days of skiing. NOOOOOOOOOO. learning to ski groomers comfortably, carving, and being able to ski high speeds at ease help in the park tremendously. i started skiing when i was really young, so i messed around on groomers for 6-7 years before even trying to hit park features.
Jul 25 2010 11:40PM
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BenWhit
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Your meter needs inspection. I ain't s s st stupiiiiid
Jul 25 2010 11:58PM
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Fischer-Addicted
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I took off 1 year from freeskiing to do clinics (and i mean a shit ton of clinics, 30+ by the end of the year) with a few examiners and I had sooo much fun out of the park that whole year. My skiing improved 300%. that was 2 seasons ago. what i found going into this year was how much easier everything in the park was. i went from throwing 3s and just sliding rails 3 seasons ago to doing 5s and and 2s on and off as well as 10s of other tricks this year. just aspects as simple as applying forward pressure to your boots helps you so much. just because you dont have a racing backround doesnt mean you arent a good skier because racing teaches you to be a good racer, not necessarily a good traditional skier. maybe you were taught well but if you know your a piece of shit at regular skiing then its going to be that much harder to get good in park.
Jul 26 2010 12:14AM
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bustinthejus
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False man. Skiing in the park = straightlining to the jump, do a bunch of spins and flips, land, and ride away thug. That doesn't take much actual skiing ability. I'm sure if you took a park rat who's never skied anything but park and asked him to huck some cliffs, he wouldn't do very well. And really, the only reason I know this is because I basically just described myself. I ski about 95% park because I ski at a tiny mountain, and because of that, my actual skiing ability is pretty poor...
Jul 26 2010 2:07AM
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DaysToCome
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this is false
Jul 26 2010 3:18AM
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Literature
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The best skier is the one who is having the most fun and works hard to get other people to that point as well. Technical training is totally unnecessary for this.
Jul 26 2010 3:29AM
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