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Canon T1i vs. HV30

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SKIWAGEN
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Hey guys,
I'm going to need a new camera fro next season, and I'm debating over and T1i, or an HV30. I won't really need to give it to my friends to shoot, so im ok with the controls of either of them. I also like to take pictures, but i can use my dads camera whenever i want to. So is it worth the extra money to go with the new T1i, or just get a refurbed Hv30? Which has better quality?
thanks

Jul 18 2010 11:20PM
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eheath
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The t1i isn't that great of a camera, if youre gonna get a hddslr the t2i is the cheapest, but to make it a functioning camera like the hv30, you will need to buy extra stuff and end up costing 1500+
Jul 18 2010 11:23PM
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SKIWAGEN
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Ok. And i would need? want an LCD view thing, a few good lenses, a new tripod, and maybe a follow focus. So, since i dont have much money, go with hv30?
Jul 18 2010 11:42PM
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SKIWAGEN
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What about a DVX100b? From what I've seen, I'd be spending about 1500 used with a fisheye. What are some thoughts?
Jul 18 2010 11:46PM
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eheath
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DVX with give you much more control over your image/colors but will be SD.
Jul 19 2010 1:07AM
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family_vacation
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In 2010, I don't see why you would go for a tape based SD camcorder.
Jul 19 2010 2:47AM
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miroz
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I would agree for all except the DVX - people still shoot full length films on them. It's easy to get caught up in the oversaturated world of skiing, remember that any camera in the right hands can produce wonderful images.
Jul 19 2010 9:26AM
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1337
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like yours :)
Jul 19 2010 11:01AM
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miroz
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Awwwww :)

...but no, like this (obviously graded/35mm adapter, but I did say in the right hands, didn't I?):

*Demo Reel HD 2009 (DVX100) from Steven Bogda on Vimeo.

These images are fucking fantastic.

Jul 19 2010 11:35AM
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1337
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that was incredible
Jul 19 2010 11:43AM
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miroz
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...that's what I said!
Jul 19 2010 11:53AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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The reason the t1i is in the bargain bin is because no one should get it now that the t2i is out, the advantages are two great for such a small price difference
Jul 19 2010 12:22PM
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family_vacation
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but maybe a tad irrelevant in this case.

nicole+michael - all this time in mexico from Michael Y Wong on Vimeo.


this was from the other thread. Although it is filmed with a 7D that's remarkably similar to the cameras that Jamie and I own, it's not like either of us will ever be able to put out work that even slightly compares to it's quality.



I did like that video, and the guy has really mastered his camera. I just feel that the point is that it's not like someone who seems to be getting their first real camera will be getting results like that. He's also looking for a DVX with a fisheye, and those images won't ever resemble that video. Although I understand that your point is how it's not the camera, it's the guy who holds it(and the DVX is a very capable camera) I just think he would be better getting on of the flash based canon cameras if his main goal is to toss on a fisheye and shoot followcams.
Jul 19 2010 12:29PM
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icantskiiFILM
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from a DVX and homemade 35mm adapter. my friend is so pro
Jul 19 2010 12:30PM
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leahey
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Griggs is so damn pro ^^^.
A "few" lenses is definitely more expensive then you think, so it ends up that making the T1i as good of a video camera as the HV30 is not worth it. Definitely think about DVX, get a 35mm and some skills (ha) and rock the crib yo.
Jul 19 2010 1:28PM
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ILoveOhio
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Oh em geee how'd you ever find that video?!?!?

In all seriousness though.  What are you trying to film?  Chances are an HV30 suits you best, but it reslly depends what you want out of a camera.  Do you plan on shooting short films/interviews/weddings?  Do you know what shallow DOF is?  For skiing a "deep" DOF is fine.
Jul 19 2010 1:34PM
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family_vacation
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how about no?

Why on earth would you tell someone who is trying to learn about filming and wants to do follows to buy a DVX with a 35mm rig? That will cost a whole lot of money, and be almost impossible to really use on the snow while filming. Have you ever used a 35mm adapter? They are really fucking hard. and no, the T1i will never be as good as the HV30. It's frame rates are terrible, and the manual mode for video is lacking. Pouring money into a T2i can easily exceed a HV30 though.
Jul 19 2010 1:40PM
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SKIWAGEN
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Ok. Thanks everyone. I'll be filming mostly skiing, hopefully a full length this coming year. Also longboarding, and biking. Probably like nature type edits from wherever I travel. I'm going to save up my money and if by about christmas time i can have enogh for a DVX i'll get that. If not, I'l get an HV30. I'm a quick learner with cameras, so I hopefully will be able to get used to it quickly.
Jul 19 2010 2:25PM
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miroz
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If he's looking to tose on a fisheye and shoot follows, why the FUCK should he get a DSLR? The DSLRs take WAY too much work for that sort of shooting. A traditional "camcorder" has been proven to be best for someone learning/doing basic ski filming - if you're going to get down to it, of course each has its advantages/disadvantages, but I don't think for a moment that a DSLR would be good for him.

The DVX, on the other hand, gives him the opportunity to learn about composition and color if he chooses to get more into it - however he could also turn it all on auto, who gives a fuck, he can do it. It'll be easier to zoom, focus, and adjust the camera overall. For him starting out, the DVX > DSLR.

If he wanted HD and less work, I'd say HV30, but the DVX is obviously superior in manual controls to it.
Jul 19 2010 7:26PM
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HD is only an industry standard. In no way should it be an aesthetic crutch. Keep in mind that 28 Days Later was shot on miniDV, and the footage was massively better than most of the shitty RED footage I've been seeing.

About Video v. DSLR:
A DVX has a huge advantage over DSLRs because of Panasonic's famous color controls. It grants you an astounding amount of internal image control for what you pay. The downsides are that it records to tape in SD, and has a fixed zoom lens. (Of the fixed lenses found on videocameras however, Panasonic's Leica glass is superior).

DSLRs triumph over all video cameras in the optics department. The downside to DSLRs is the lack of internal image controls. This is sort of ambivalent, because these restrictions are what pushes us as videographers to better understand the actual light CAPTURING process, instead of the light PROCESSING.

In short: video cameras use superior processing to capture an inferior image. DSLRS use inferior processing to capture an inferior image. Both routes have their strengths and weaknesses depending on what you shoot and how you approach it. Pick your poison.
Jul 19 2010 8:18PM
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[~_~]
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*DSLRs use inferior processing to capture a superior image.
Jul 19 2010 8:21PM
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family_vacation
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that's why I recommended the flash based canon ones. Those or the tape based HV30 would do the trick. My post there never even mentioned DSLRs, they would be a terrible first camera.
Jul 19 2010 8:36PM
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miroz
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I misread "flash based" - for whatever reason I understood it as flash as in SLR flash...lawl @ my stupidity. I'm sorry, you're right...so am I, but my point is misdirected.

I'm going to stop being dumb and stop posting.
Jul 19 2010 9:26PM
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SKIWAGEN
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DSLRs definitely not an option anymore. I've convinced my Dad to let me get a used camera, but only if it's on Craigslist, and we can see it. So, on the DVX, is there any malfunction that is common, and i should look for? I already plan on asking how many hours on the heads, has he cleaned them, what kinda tapes has he used, etc. Anything else?
Jul 20 2010 12:17AM
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[~_~]
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As long as the heads and glass (on both ends) is good, then go for it! Only shoot Panasonic tapes and use a capture cam, and your camera will be running smoothly far beyond its years (like mine).
Jul 20 2010 3:24AM
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CoachG
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that's also a 7D with $4,0000 Glass mind you.
Jul 20 2010 3:02PM
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CoachG
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$4,000*
Jul 20 2010 3:03PM
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*$800 glass. He was shooting Zeiss Zf primes, not CPs.
Jul 20 2010 6:11PM
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SKIWAGEN
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capture cam to import it right?
Jul 20 2010 9:33PM
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miroz
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Yep.

That's so you're not playing back the tapes on your main camera, because that causes further head wear.
Jul 21 2010 10:58AM
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SKIWAGEN
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I can just buy a used crappy one of ebay right? And i just put the tape in that one, and import it?
Jul 21 2010 2:08PM
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