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Start your curve from the outside slow, so you don't get any slack, once your already craving in you can really bite in the edge and whip towards the wake.

Jul 12 2010 4:40PM

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thanks man, do I want to stay super loose when I land? And also, when I was jumping in and out of the wake on the weekend, I felt like I was more stable in the air when I looked past the wake rather then down at the board while i popped. Kind of like when you are sliding a rail while skiing. Is that actually keeping me more stable?

Jul 12 2010 4:41PM

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im not sure you will get the hang of it once you start gettin some air

and i thought of a good way to explain how to keep the rope taught in ym mind atelast

try to steer away from the boat like when cutting towards the wake cut in and away from the boat like your trying to pull the rope off the boat thats how you get big cut speed

Jul 12 2010 4:42PM

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Holy fucking fail, Batman. Do NOT flatten out. Carve out from the wake as far as you want, and then start to cut back in in kind of like a seated position. Try to keep your back straight and lean against the line instead of bending over and squatting. The closer to the wake you get the harder you will be cutting, so if you want more pop, cut out farther when you start. When you get to the wake, STAY ON YOUR EDGE. This is where all your pop comes from. Don't really try to jump, but instead, extend your legs at the lip of the wake. Keep the handle by your hips and let go with your back hand if it feels more comfortable. It will feel scary and kinda weird at first, but you'll be throwing bigger tricks in no time.

Jul 12 2010 4:44PM

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can we all assume a heel side approach is the way to start?

its hard to get our far when your toeside (heels toword wake) but try to get out as far as you can, make sure to carry momentum from coming acrosse the wake. once your as far out as possible start a slow cut it and slowly build some momentum, then about 3-6 feet from the wake really lay into that bitch. dont oull so hard you bury the front of your board (this has happened to me twice it sux) but really crank that sucker. then right before the wake stand up a tiny bit and pop like a skateboard ollie. the coming down tail first and try as gently as you can to lay the rest opf the board down, and dont freak out if you over shoot..its much better than undershooting.

good luck and tell us when you get it

Jul 12 2010 4:45PM

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sorry bud your wrong.

The only time you want to flatten your board out is if you spinning. stay on the edge all the way through the way and flatten out a little as your landing on the toeside edge of the wake.

Rope tension is key to everything wakeboarding, whether its slack on a spin or gnarly tight tension on a raley. The key to lots of pop or not a lot of pop is have a stiff front leg.

Its all water tension. If you slap water with you hand its alot like slapping a solid surface, if you slowly put you hand in the water all you do is get wet.

Stiff front leg = pop

Loose front leg = distance

Speed + stiff front leg = lots of pop and lots of distance

Then you have to figure out the right speed and how high you want to go to land perfectly on the otherside of the wake.

When cutting outside the wake. just cruise on out or speed demon on out then line yourself up parralle with the wake but not so much that you start to come in back towards the wake

when you ready cut straight in hard on you heels like hurrisun said stiffen that front leg right BEFORE you hit the wake and stand tall NOT crouched down like you taking a shit.

Lemmy know if that helped at all :)

Jul 12 2010 4:46PM

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ya man if you hit the wake on ur edge you get mad pop thats what im sayin like if you are carving hard in i was a beginer like this guy at the time i would stay on ym edge to long and as soon as i took off i lost all the resistance from the water so my legs lift and i end up on my ass

by flatten out i mean stand up get stable dont be carving your tits off the wake

the edge you use to cut in is not the same edge you use when you are jumping i dunno what the pros do but as far as beginers go im pretty sure its a solid tip

Jul 12 2010 4:48PM

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youve got the right idea. I did the same thing when i first started. But in the long run its gonna cause problems. Like i said. flat based gives you slack in the rope even when your spinning you dont go completely flat. you lose all your speed. Edge in Not edge out unless you landing in the flats.

My first heelside wake to wake jump is my 2nd scariest wakeboarding moment. My 1st was my first toeside wake to wake. which still scares me.

Jul 12 2010 4:55PM

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yeah this did help, thanks! So I don't want to be sitting back when I hit the wake? I want to stand up and and that leads to the pop?

Jul 12 2010 4:57PM

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haha yeah I'm scared as shit to jump it the first time, but you gotta start sometime. haha

Jul 12 2010 4:58PM

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ya like i said im no pro i havent been in a couple years but thats me in that pic and i have been inches froma backflip i get the psyics when im out there maybe not the best explanation

but i think im going this week actually and im pumped as fucked i wanna try a rally raely how ever u spell it can you do those? r they hard they seem doable im just scared to go balls out

Jul 12 2010 5:00PM

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I learned how to do raleys on a wakeskate. You want to cut in really aggressively, with a ton of load on the line, and when you pop, sort of let your legs just drift behind you and let the tension in the line pull you forward. It's kinda hard to explain. To land, don't pull the handle in to your body, but try to push it down towards the water and bring your legs back under you. If you have a wakeskate, use that to get the edge and the pop down, and once you're pulling yourself back to your feet, take it to your board.

Jul 12 2010 5:06PM

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You wanna be in "ATTACK" position approaching the wake. According to Gary Nunn then as you come the the little roller before the wake roll it like you would a mogul (sort of) and then straight that front leg and stand tall, Not straight up and down like a statue but ya you get it.

I should have just done this in the first place. Im uh Ruh-tard

http://wakeboardingmag.com/how-to/2009/11/16/how-to-do-more-with-less/

Perfect article.

And if you dont know who shaun murray is....

Jul 12 2010 5:07PM

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oh a wakeskate would be dope to learn those... alot of tricks actually handle passes and shit thats genius

Jul 12 2010 5:07PM

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that was so sick!!

Jul 12 2010 5:13PM

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Ive only wakeboarded 1 year so far last summer but i live in a huge wakeboarding community. I cant raley. ive tried many many times. i cant get the pull back. Someone just described it with a wakeskate and hes right in every way. I just cant do it. Doin a backflip in wakeboarding its a tantrum. Basically a heelside layout. As soon as the nose of your board is above the lip of the wake just do a layout. Hold on with your front hand and look at the handle. Eventuallly you will want to be spotting your landing but for that first one I looked at the handle mainly because i use to close my eyes when i flipped haha.

Jul 12 2010 5:13PM

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also, do I want to take out the removable fins in the middle for more forgivness?

Jul 12 2010 5:16PM

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nah the fins wont fuck you its the edge of the board but youll be fine just giver wakeboard crashes only really really hurt sometimes

Jul 12 2010 5:18PM

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Middle fin. Boy be riding old school. Keep it on or its gonna be sketch city for ya.

Jul 12 2010 5:21PM

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haha aight, thanks. I'll try to get ready for the pain and then I'll let everyone know if I made it. thanks for the help!

Jul 12 2010 5:24PM

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When I was learning I used to get really stiff legs in the air. I found it helps if you bend your knees and launch off the wake and then bend your knees to absorb the impact. It sounds pretty obvious but a lot of people keep their legs straight and screw up. What mastercraft did you get?

Jul 12 2010 5:28PM

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i slalom ski and when i cut i lose slack but i have to pull my arms to take the slack...anyways i used to makeboard....its not like skiing where you get some momentum and get a rythem... just cruise...cut hard to the outside...chill...and then cut...HARD. and the easiest way to make the whole wake is to have a tower. idk if you have one but i used to ride behind a 21ft deep v hull larson (not a ski/wake boat) but it put up a real nice wake, but i couldnt get passed half cause the line was hooked low...basically, you need a tower if you dont have one

Jul 12 2010 5:30PM

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I got an old prostar 205. It actually is really nice for the age. It has no tanks, but I am thinking of adding some fatsacks once I get better. It throws a pretty nice wake though at wakeboard speeds. And if you get up to like 30+ it has no wake so you can slalom behind it too. Its pretty sick.

Jul 12 2010 5:44PM

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unfortunately, my dad wouldn't spend $2200 to get the mastercraft tower put in with the boat for this summer, but we are adding one in the winter. But we got an extended pylon. It is 7ft of the deck, so it doesn't look beautiful, but it actually works pretty damn well for $150. I would recommend it if you have a pylon. It just slips on top of the built in pylon and then it has a wire you attach to the bow. It gets the job done for the price.

Jul 12 2010 5:47PM

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ok, so I didn't read any of this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. here's what i've got for you after 20+ years of competitive water skiing....

cut out real hard toe side so you can come in heel side.

let off of your cut and the line will slack a little.

cruise straight for a second and wait for that line to start to get tension again. (loadin' the line)

as it starts to get tension, charge that mother fuckin' wake like no other. keep your knees bent and your back straight. don't break at the god damned waist like so many gomers that I see.

stay on that line like you're trying to rip the pylon out of the boat and keep on it all the way through the wake.

pop harder and harder as you get more and more comfortable.

spot your landing.

make sense? you'll have no problem clearin' the wake of an old mastercraft.

good luck bro and happy shreddin'.

Jul 12 2010 5:49PM

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thanks man, that was super helpful!

Jul 12 2010 5:54PM

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no problem at all dude! MCs are the shit. i ski behind an old school one all of the time. that boat puts up a pretty good wake. you should have no problems clearing the wake, learning tantrums, etc...even without a skylon/tower. what length rope are you using?

Jul 12 2010 6:01PM

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this results from carving, keeping your arms straight and letting the boat pull you, not fighting to carve in. i use an 88 ft rope allows for more carve out and faster comming into the wake.

Jul 12 2010 6:12PM

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ok, should I keep my arms at my hips? that's what I was told by the dealer who delivered. His son is pro. and 88ft seems long. I think mine is 70?

Jul 12 2010 6:27PM

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Thats a sick ass wake! and 88 Feet!!!! thats long. Go big or go Home.

Jul 12 2010 6:29PM

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agreed that wake is a monster, but the water looks pretty choppy. respect.

Jul 12 2010 6:31PM

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sick pic man

Jul 12 2010 6:36PM

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2000 pounds of ballast behind a mastercraft. the water wasn't that choppy

heres another

Jul 12 2010 6:39PM

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raley! Ive never been pulled by a mastercraft but on malibu's even with 4000 pounds of ballast 80 feet is usually the sweet spot on the wake. I ride 75 but im not very good and i have trouble controlling my speed and pop at 80 and usually case it. you obviously dont have that problem haha.

This kid Braxton Tomlinson that rides for the same shop I do but wakeboarding. He rides 80 Feet and that little bastard boosts! I guess it depends on the boat, water, and you tho. To each his own

Jul 12 2010 6:51PM

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Heres a pic of him. Hes was 14 when it was taken.

Jul 12 2010 6:53PM

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sick dude! what mastercraft do you have?

Jul 12 2010 7:03PM

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by middle fin do you mean the only fin, or are there molded fins also. the way your board edges depends entirely on the shape of the board, with the right board you will be fine without fins, and eventually you will be able to ride no fins very similarly to the way you would with fins. what board do you have, that will help with the fin thing.

and i know it has been said before, but there has been a lot of wrong information about cutting to clear wake to wake heelside. you want to cut in with what is called a progressive edge, that means when you start cutting in you have little to no edge, and you progressively (thats why they named it that) cut harder until you are fully on your heels cutting in, knees bent in a kind of pooping on a toilet position.

once you get good at a progressive edge and you want to get more pop, you can learn to pre pop, which is when you sort of force your board downward as if you were going to ollie, right before you hit the lip of the wake.

a good way to learn this and improve your ollies is to cut out a bit on your easy ollie side (the side that you would be on after a heelside wake jump) and practice ollieing over and over again as fast as you can, so much so that you are basically touching down and you have already ollied again. keep doing this until you can consistently rapidly ollie as high as you would with a single popped ollie.

and for the guy above who was trying railies but hasnt landed any, make sure you DO NOT look down at the water at any time, if you keep your eyes on the tower it will make it easier to take it out and come back in, also if you let your body fully extend and then pull yourself back in it is easier because you arent trying to stop the upward momentum of your legs and board at the same time as bringing them back under you.

ill do my best to help with any other questions you have as well

Jul 12 2010 7:45PM

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I have a cwb pure. it has molded fins and the removable one in the middle. I tried doing some ollies this weekend outside of the wake. (We just got the boat this weekend) I got two in a row and then my nose dug in and I ate it face first. Haha

Jul 12 2010 7:51PM

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well if it has the molded then definitely take it out. and for the olles, definitely make sure you can ollie consistently before you try to pop them higher, try to keep a little more weight on your back foot than your front.

Jul 12 2010 8:30PM

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What speed do you guys ride at? We were doing 22 this weekend which I thought was good, But with no ballast, how slow can I go to get the wake biggest but still have a good ride?

Jul 12 2010 10:32PM

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jesus fucking christ.. 88ft? hahah thats OUT there. i ride 80 to throw down, and 65 to learn new tricks. you have real nice style too.

to the person learning to gap the wake.

start by carving out as far as you can. take a progressive edge back into the wake, starting off sorta mellow and then getting to pulling the hardest right before you hit the wake, dont cut as hard as you can the whole time, you will get going very fast and it will be hard to time your pop. come into the wake crouched low with your knees bent and as soon as your nose hits the top of the wake stand up tall, straighten your legs and bring/keep the handle close to your hips. make sure to pop evenly with both your legs, suck your knees back up a little in the air. when you land just try to cushion and absorb it as much as possible.

penis.

Jul 12 2010 10:33PM

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25 mph , 2000 lbs of ballast, maristar

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