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Salomon suspects, review/opinions please

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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
im hoping to get the 09 or 10 suspects for this upcoming ski season, i would love it if people who ride the skis or have could pretty much tell me everything about them

how they handle in powder, ice, rails, jumps
how lightweight they are, or anything else you guys can tell me.

thanks a bunch newschoolers
Jun 12 2010 6:47PM
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Kangbang
Posts: 14211 - Karma: 423
dont even think about suspects, get different skis
Jun 12 2010 7:20PM
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STEEZZZZ
Posts: 88 - Karma: 19

durability is kind of an issue, and if you actually want to ski on them for more than a week, get different skis

Jun 12 2010 7:28PM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
steezeball, can you please elaborate?
Jun 13 2010 12:04PM
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arandomname
Posts: 1989 - Karma: 18

Suspects are supposed to break very easily.  I've never rode a pair, but from what I've heard, they aren't durable at all.  That's what he's trying to say.  Just don't get them.

Jun 13 2010 12:35PM
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brakes
Posts: 457 - Karma: 11
I think too many people get their information from too few sources, and don't give the skis a chance. I'm still rocking my 08-09 suspects that are going to be my younger brother's skis next year. Their totally free of edge cracks and have very little topsheet chipping for the amount use they get (a whole lot). The bases are extremely durable and Ive only had 2 major core shots happen with them, which were both easily repaired with p-tex. They are great stiff and poppy symmetrical wider-ish park skis with great all-mountain performance. Buttering is difficult but not impossible, but the amazing pop you can get out of these things definitely makes up for it. I was so happy with the performance my suspects provided that I will be purchasing 10-11 suspects for this coming season. Stop the the suspect hate and don't regurgitate other people's opinions, develop your own.
Jun 13 2010 2:48PM
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ski-swagga
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do not get suspects. most of them break after a couple weeks.
Jun 13 2010 2:53PM
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Mr_pretzel
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you have been freaking lucky dude.
Jun 13 2010 3:31PM
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Randy_Quench
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i had a great season on my 08/09 suspects this past year. if they wernt standing below my chin i would be riding them again this upcoming season. only damage i can see is topsheet chipping around where my skis cros for mute grabs. if you like the way suspects ski, go for it.
Jun 13 2010 5:42PM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
can you tell me how the suspects ski? what did you enjoy about them? how are they on rails, jumps, ice, powder. etc?  thanks
Jun 13 2010 6:10PM
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BjornR
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They are heavy and my pair is starting to loosing edges.. Already got 4 edgecracks. 08-09 pair.

I had some pressurecracks on the topsheet too.
Jun 13 2010 6:50PM
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Randy_Quench
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for park they skied fine for me, a little heavier than i wanted but that didnt bother me so much.
they were fine on rails, poppy and pretty playful. jumps were so so.. small jumps were fine, bigger jumps were hard to stomp, but that might just be because my skis got way too small on me by the end of the season.
Jun 13 2010 7:31PM
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VCharette
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This has been said before and I will say it again. Don't get those skis. They might be fine for a couple people but ALL of the suspects/dumont that I have seen were eventually fucked. There are so many better skis to buy out there.
Jun 13 2010 7:39PM
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Randy_Quench
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this, they hold up fine for a while, then they just shit the bed. cant say mine have yet, but there are def. better skis out there.
Jun 13 2010 7:46PM
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VCharette
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By that I mean in a very short period of time.
Jun 13 2010 7:49PM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
anyone have a recomendation for a lightwight, good park/ allmountain ski.  not the invaders. i skied thouse in 8/9 and didint klike them.
Jun 13 2010 9:27PM
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hsavage
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ohk here is where its at.
i have 09 suspects. now suspects did have durability issues for sure. mine didn't so obviously not all did. i have LOVED my suspects and i find they are super durable. they slay everything and are super poppy but have a stable flex.
such a dope ski.
pretty sure 2010 suspects had even less durability issues so id go for them.

soooo dope.
holla
Jun 14 2010 4:32AM
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pigglywiggly
Posts: 4482 - Karma: 305
i got the 09-10's after breaking my armada ar6s in 25 days.

so far i have had the suspects for around 25 days as well and they far surpass the armadas durability. i have had zero issue with mine so far.

The way the guy above me explained the suspects is a perfect description: super stiff, but incredibly poppy ski that is ridiculously stable. and the weight is normal-light.

...its just a risk if you get a good or bad pair. its just seems like its super hit or miss.

and by the way, im NOT easy on my skis at all. i bash the shit out of them.
Jun 14 2010 10:09AM
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Scrambles
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I have one friend that has rode his hard all year with only minor topsheet damage ( he is also realy short and light though) And another who has the topsheet delaming realy bad, over a foot of edge missing, and a huge chunk of base missing after about a month. It's realy hit or miss.
Jun 14 2010 10:54AM
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Newschool_Pope
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wow u have symmetrical suspects? maybe thats why they didnt brake...
Jun 14 2010 12:12PM
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mmallender.
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for some people they have been okay, i myself havent used them, i chose to stay away from them, but a large majority of people have had real issues with them. a good way to look at it is, yes maybe you might be lucky and have a good pair that will last, but if you dont, which seems more than likely based on all the issues they have had, you will be fucked, they arent covered by warranty, so you will be out $xxx.xx and stuck with a fucked pair of skis.
Jun 14 2010 1:29PM
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SOLID7
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I was skiing with a guy with suspects. He hits THE FIRST rail of the season (A small flat down) and the edges on his skis are already like melted... :/
Jun 14 2010 1:37PM
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.caleb
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ok so some people have had theirs good but as of mine and my friend we killed ours.  mine have 8 edge cracks i broke the edge armor somehow and  my edge is separating from the base. my topsheet is killed im threw to the core in 3 places and they chip so easy. i also have 2 base shots and im just going to use mine as a urban/backyard/summer ski and am getting the ar6

my friend has loads of edge cracks missing edge and core shots tons of chipping way more than mine (he does mostly rails i do lots of jumps) ill also add this is his FIRST year on skis ive skied all my life and park about 3 yrs he hasnt.  he kills on rails and we both are extremely hard on our skis.  1 thing i will say is i will probably never go back to salomon unless they change their durability. 

They are a very fun poppy ski but mine got really soft at the end of the year and can butter really easily so wat im saying is DO NOT waste your money on these skis most likely you will get a bad pair.
Jun 14 2010 2:21PM
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*TURBONERD*
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moment reno jibs. great skis.
Jun 14 2010 2:34PM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
i was under the imprestion that the suspects were an upgrade of the thrusters? and ive never heard any problems related to durability with them? am i misinformed?
Jun 14 2010 4:06PM
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mmallender.
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sarchbar suspects and read all the bad feedback there is on them? theres alot haha
Jun 14 2010 5:41PM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
i said thrusters.
Jun 14 2010 11:34PM
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joshua
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The Suspects have edge-armor, while the Thrusters didn't. The edge-armor is one of the reasons why Suspects have bad durability. (I think anyway.)
Jun 14 2010 11:46PM
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mmallender.
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sorry, i thought you might have, but it sounded like you were talking about suspects as they are supposed to be higher quality.

but no there have not been the same issues, or even as many issues with the thrusters as the suspects because there is no edge armour in the thrusters. that being said, the dumonts have the same sort of issues as the suspects seeing as they have double edge armour. in case you were wondering haha
Jun 14 2010 11:59PM
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MRoden
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Salomon defiantly stepped up their game this year with the Suspects. I love mine but I won't lie about the top sheets due to the fact they're not all that great.Mine are pretty chipped up but living in Michigan and the amounts of urban I hit with them might factor in. Swing weight is pretty good I'd say. Spinning onto rails was a little bit of a hassle but that could just be me. As for jumps I love these skis. Very poppy and springy but then snap right back for landings. Nollieing and presses were a little bit a porblem though. Just a little bit too stiff to really butter anything out. In the rail section I would say they hold up pretty good. I haven't had any problem with mine since I got them. Good edge control for switch ups and spins off. Only had one problem but that was with my base and had to get a core shot but I rode over a rock so not a problem. Pretty good ski all around other than for nollies, butters, and presses. Prolly gonna get the 10-11 ones considering mine are too short now. Hope that helps.
Jun 15 2010 12:40AM
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hsavage
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yeah sorry to thread jack but how do yoy recon the 2012's will hold up since they have no edge armor?
Jun 15 2010 5:46AM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
im dissapointed by the overwelhming hate for theese skis on newschoolers. i am also considering the armada AR6's any thoughts on thouse? can anyone tell me antyhing
Jun 15 2010 11:28AM
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cable
Posts: 323 - Karma: 25
Rode these skis through january. Edge got cracked and ended up ripping out 4 more inches of edge from underfoot as well as lifted the base from the core. Pretty much they got fucked. Now I have a $350 pair of urban skis. Prior to all the issues, they were one of my favorite pairs of skis out there.
Jun 15 2010 12:12PM
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mmallender.
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disappointed in the hate? shouldnt you be disappointed in salomon for putting out a product that held up so poorly, and then did nothing about it? its not like the hate for these skis isnt warranted
Jun 15 2010 12:15PM
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phathat
Posts: 137 - Karma: 8
....im dissapointed because i wanted to get them.....
Jun 15 2010 1:16PM
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mmallender.
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oh haha sorry, i completely misread that. i agree, the skis seem to be amazing to ride, they just explode as soon as they touch rails
Jun 15 2010 2:01PM
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Jamestown
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Next year's Boones or Moments.
Jun 15 2010 2:10PM
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Stringsteeze
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suspects are being made in austria this year oposed to china so the qulitey and durebility should be much better. And next years graphic looks so sick IMO. I'm def getting suspects
Jul 16 2010 12:03PM
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chubby3
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Looked at a pair the other day and the 2011 model has a thin white strip in the sidewall just ontop of the rail that runs from just infront of the binding to just behind. I think they describe it as edge reinforcement. Still has edge armour though. Would like a pair if this years hold up.

Has anyone skied the new ones and had any problems? Also how are the skis durability if your not doing rails? Im pretty much 90% jumps, has anyone had any issues with them apart from rails?

Jul 16 2010 5:10PM
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SweatyBallShack
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How do you ski park and not have edge damage? Is that even possible?
Jul 16 2010 7:22PM
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Mr_pretzel
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The problem with salomon park skis is that can not stand the cold, yes i know thats sounds retarded buts thats one of the reasons why they hold up so badly. This mostly effected the dumont had so many problems. My friends let his stand outside for the night( it was pretty cold that night) and the next morning he had 6 inches of edge sticking out of his ski.

The other reason the suspects broke is because of the edge armor the edge armor is metal that holds the edges together inside the ski. This got way to tight which caused them to snap and when you got edge cracks the edges started to fall out.

These are just some of the problems with salomons.
Jul 17 2010 3:01AM
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hokkanee
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The suspects have pretty suspect durability and performance. Probably why they're called the suspects
Jul 17 2010 3:08AM
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.jesus.
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trololololololololololololol
Jul 17 2010 3:12AM
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TOK
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My 09 suspects went through 2 years of pretty abusive use, all of that mostly in park. Towards the end of this last season one of the tips started delaminating and now is delaminated about 4 inches back. I just use it as an urban ski now. Besides that, everything else is in pretty good condition considering the use they went through, the topsheets are pretty beat but the bases and edges are still pretty minty
Jul 17 2010 6:20PM
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JStrathern
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although i agree many people have had durability issues, ive still got my 08/09 suspects and theyre fine, in fact i love them. theyre a bit stiffer than my thrusters and i definitely like that. so like people said, you're taking a chance, but if you get one of the pairs that dont break easily like mine, im sure youll love them
Jul 17 2010 7:26PM
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teleak
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the edges break damn fucking easily. that edge armour shit is such crap
Jul 17 2010 9:32PM
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Balto
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please change your name
Jul 17 2010 9:34PM
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brakes
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i said free of edge cracks, not edge damage, they have chips and dents in them like every ski that slides metal, but those are unavoidable. The edge itself has remained crack free.
Jul 18 2010 2:02AM
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nobody123
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I cant be bothered reading peoples post's but I do ride for Salomon. I wouldn't consider it there best ski they have had but i do like the stiffness on them in park. Although they chip easily and people claim edges and shit break easy etc etc. Im pretty small and light so i find them fine. They dont handle well in powder compared to the Shogun which i consider the best all round ski i have ever skied on i prefer them to the suspect in park powder pipe. But the Suspect skis well in park if thats what your guna do but if your wanting to do all round skiing i recommend the shogun true centre mounting and chea.

Jul 18 2010 2:24AM
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