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SCOO-WOOP
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So I'm a pretty competitive skier, and my friends who are in other sports are raving about Creatine.  I'm considering starting to use it, but I don't know for sure. It seems like it could be potentially harmful to your body in the long run. Suggestions?
Jun 11 2010 1:06AM
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Yung_Gnarley
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HGH!!!
Jun 11 2010 1:07AM
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californiagrown
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show me some documentation of it being harmful in the long run...there is none.  the worst it can give you is cramps, and stomach discomfort, but only if you become really dehydrated.  some people dont react to creatine, while others (myself included) react very well.  It increases your max power output, and allows you to sustain that max output for longer.  you should be able to stomp bigger hits while on it. 
Jun 11 2010 1:10AM
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zerospinskier
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Just take a lot of a good quality protein, take good multivitamins, eat right, and work out hard. That's all you need unless you want to get crazy and get into some prohormones.
Jun 11 2010 1:13AM
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TannerBalls
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I've noticed that my legs didn't burn as much while i've skied on creatine
Jun 11 2010 1:13AM
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Moisty_Goat
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Not gonna do that much for your skiing man
Jun 11 2010 1:17AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Word up. Thanks.

How much should I take?

Any good brands?
Jun 11 2010 1:18AM
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Yung_Gnarley
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just work out and eat well kid
Jun 11 2010 1:19AM
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2L208
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Jun 11 2010 1:22AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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mum wheres my FUCKING PROTEIN
Jun 11 2010 1:25AM
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Thenowhereman42
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This. Also when you build a lot of muscle on Creatine and then stop taking it, your muscles all like "deflate", its really gross. Some of my MMA buddies have considered it but most decide not to after doing the research.
Jun 11 2010 1:53AM
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MADDECENT
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It made me poop avacadoes. literally. just so you understand:

CREATINE LITERALLY MADE ME SHIT AVOCADOS!
Jun 11 2010 2:01AM
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@skiinmitch
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technically. its just water weight. Once you stop using it you will lose weight lots of it
Jun 11 2010 2:03AM
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ButteredToast.
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My trainer says NO.

I've asked him about it and he looked at me like I was retarded. He said basically the only thing you should really ever use is maybe a good whey protein recovery drink for those REALLY hard workouts.

Other than that, I don't use anything else. Just protein shakes for after really hard workouts to repair muscle tears faster.

Don't use creatine. Sure, you might look better faster, but so much of it is water weight that it's disgusting.

Don't use creatine. Build legit muscle the old fashioned way.
Jun 11 2010 2:06AM
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geteducated
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sorry, but the deflation isn't as dramatic as you're making it out to be. your body isn't retaining that much water.

i do creatine. it helps with the healing process due to working out. 5 grams a day is good. gotta keep it up everyday for the stores to build up in your bones. just can't take it every once in a while. so if you think you're ready for that commitment then do it.
Jun 11 2010 2:09AM
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JSiegel
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creatine is retarded, if ur a competative racer i take it, then work out real hard and eat healthy, protein rich meals like 5x a day. work out like 3+ hours day, eat 4000+ cal./day, all full of protein. and drink a tittyload of water. Plus, racing is a combo of endurance, agility, and strength. u don't want to just gain hella water weight and look like a lil fat baby.

in addition, i recently read this article that found dangerous traces of metals in protein drinks, metals which take 20 years to flush out of your body. In addition it stated most people can only process 5-9 grams of protein/hour.

Conclusion: work out/train like a fiend, eat healthy protein meals, smoke weed err day.
Jun 11 2010 2:12AM
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geteducated
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you are either lying or your trainer is a moron, because if he is only suggesting a protein drink pwo and neglecting to mention that you need a carb source as well, then you should either stop going to that trainer, get educated yourself.
Jun 11 2010 2:15AM
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ButteredToast.
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My trainer is a pretty big dude, I trust what he says.

And I do know as well that I need carb source, he just suggested not using creatine.
Jun 11 2010 2:26AM
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geteducated
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well if its simply a matter of recommendation to not use it then fine, but if he is saying not to use creatine because its dangerous, then he is an idiot. your body produces creatine naturally. some people don't work out hard enough to need it. so maybe thats where his suggestion is coming from. although, if that is the case i don't see why you need a trainer.

and you have a trainer? why?
Jun 11 2010 2:37AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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I used creatine for a while.  I wasn't using it to get big or to train or whatever.  I used to work as a bricklayer, and there were some days that I would take it just to help my body recover.  It didn't make me a massively ripped dude and I didn't use it all the time.  I always made sure to drink lots of water the days I took it.  The only thing I would notice was that I wasn't so tired the morning after a long day of block work.

It's kinda hard on your liver, so if you do use it, one week on one week off. 
Jun 11 2010 9:20AM
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Tyran
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it will make you bigger. there is no proof that it is bad for you. there is also little proof that it actually does anything.
I cycle it, and I get much stronger with it. the idea is to lift heavy while your on it, make gains, then maintain the gains while off it.

you will never get a conclusive answer to this question btw. everybody in the gym and on the internet has a different opinion. try it, if you like it, use. if not, dont.

if you do, GNC's new brand is quality controlled at least. alot of em arent. not saying its the shit, but at least it is what its supposed to be
Jun 11 2010 9:47AM
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Mr.Panda
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Once you start it you can't stop. If you do... those pecs you get turn into man boobs.
Jun 11 2010 9:48AM
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Tyran
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thats false man.
Jun 11 2010 9:49AM
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Mr.Panda
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That's what I always heard about it and when my friend stopped using it but kept working out a ton of his definition left.

He ended up doing roids though so well, the kid was an idiot. Probably a bad example to use.
Jun 11 2010 9:51AM
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foodisfun
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*sigh*  i wouldnt come here looking for fitness/supplement info.  creatine has been the most highly researched supplement in like the last 10 years and it's benefits have been proven time and time again. just go over to bodybuilding.com and get real info if you're interested.   can't say first hand how it would affect skiing but it probably wouldn't do much
Jun 11 2010 10:09AM
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theabortionator
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Meth or yao. You will learn mad tricks fast. you won't get tired hiking, won't be scared to try shit, and won't get hurt
Jun 11 2010 10:11AM
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[tightpants]
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there are benefits (ie faster muscle recovery) but there are also risks involved with taking creatine.

It increases the water content in your muscle cells, but it doesn't differentiate between skeletal, smooth, or cardiovascular muscle. Therefore you're increasing the amount of water in ALL of your muscles and organs, even your heart. This can be dangerous if it goes on over extended periods of time, and can definitely cause heart palpitations. I've talked to a couple doctors and trainers about it and they generally say it isn't worth it.

Creatine is produced naturally in your body though, and short-term use probably isn't going to do any harm. I've used it before and it didn't seem to help me that much so I just stick to protein.
Jun 11 2010 10:24AM
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gmack24
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I disagree with using it.....
First off, you sound completely clueless to bodybuilding. You can't just take creatine to ski. You have to lift religiously on it....Second, you will lost almost all of your gains when you stop taking it, and the majority of the size you put on is going to be waterweight....

It can be great if you know what you're doing, but I only take protein and have gotten ripped.
Jun 11 2010 10:46AM
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notomatoplz
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So much broscience in this thread it's making me sick...

but OP i highly doubt that creatine will do much for your skiing unless you are lifting as well and therefor using it to aid in lifting which will carry over to skiing. i would recommend taking beta-alanine which is an amino acid that converts to carnosine in the muscle. carnosine buffers the positive hydrogen ions in your muscle which delays the 'burn' that you feel when exercising.

Jun 11 2010 11:05AM
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gyarados
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it fucks with your urinary track and makes it hurt when you pee, my coach said he would kick anyone on the team off if he found out that they were using creatine.
Jun 11 2010 11:17AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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+glutamine & high protein diet.

creatine is meh.
Jun 11 2010 11:21AM
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geteducated
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glutamine doesn't do shit and you can only digest a certain amount of protein.

when you stop taking creatine you lose the water weight. but NO MUSCLE.

Jun 11 2010 1:32PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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glutamine doesn't do shit except aid in protein synthesis, etc. basically, you don't have any idea what you're talking about. geteducated.



Jun 11 2010 1:44PM
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geteducated
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ya right kid, thats what you think glutamine does for you because the supplement companies told you so.

you get the glutamine that you need in whey. no need to supplement with more. why don't you read this, complete with supporting studies.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=277659051&postcount=26

you're just talking bro science slim.
Jun 11 2010 1:48PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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kid? i'm 29 dude & have been lifting 5-6 days a week since I was 18. anyone can find articles that will argue for or against any sort of supplementation. creatine is a great example. based on experience, i would take a high protein diet with glutamine supplementation over cycling creatine all day long. creatine is a waste of money imo.
Jun 11 2010 1:56PM
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MCIRONCOCK
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If you have doubts, don't do it. Supplements aren't necessary, just helpful.
Jun 11 2010 2:38PM
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geteducated
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you keep doing your thing and keep wasting your money on supplemental bcaa's

and who said anything about cycling? are you a dinosaur? you don't have to cycle your creatine anymore. and a waste of money? creatine is cheap compared to buying glutamine supplements.

haha a waste of money. hilarious.
Jun 11 2010 3:12PM
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Tasche
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What do you do 5-6 days a week. I mean how are you not just jacked out of your mind?
Jun 11 2010 3:19PM
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A_Zuck
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Anything that can bring up this much debate/ discussion is an easy NO for me. It seems to me like the cons outweigh the pros in this stuff. Im sure in stuff like this your gonna find people that say yes and people that say no. My doctor and the weight lifting teacher at my school both said its not worth it and it kind of screws with your growing patterns. why not just choose something safer and work out a little bit more

I just bought some EAS whey protein and i have a couple scoops a day with milk. Its 100 percent fine and pretty cheap. and you dont have to commit to anything
Jun 11 2010 3:28PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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i'll keep "wasting" my money on what I have found to be effective. creatine doesn't do shit for me & is therefore a waste imo. I've gone months on and months off with no noticeable gains or losses in strength or size. btw, price per serving between the two is damn near identical dude.




Jun 11 2010 3:38PM
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cobra_commander
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creatine is great if you are more concerned with looking 'big' and being able to have a high max.

For effective strength it is not very productive.
For working out the most important thing you can do is have a well balanced carb/protein/fat/fiber ratio, and not starve yourself. Carbs should be more complex, the simple ones pass through your body too fast. Protein should come from a variety of sources and forms. Whey is good for right after a work out, as it is digested very quickly, and gets your body the building blocks it needs when it needs them. Egg protein is good as well to take over the whole day, your body digests it slower, allowing your muscles to keep developing at night and when your not working out.
Carbs will provide the most of your energy, if you want high output in the gym, you need a good energy source. Rice, potatoes, oatmeal are all great sources and are energy heavy.
Fat's, you need them. They keep your body running. You obviously shouldn't be pounding doughnuts, but trying to be 100% fat free is going to lead to you being a weak little fucker with no stamina.
Fiber, this is anther building block, as apposed to energy. you need it to build muscle strength. I suggest eating a banana right after you work out, within 15-25min of when you stopped. Eat it before your protein shake.

For 'supplements' I would just do a multi vitamin, glucosamine (for joints) and if you are working out often glutamine to help with recovery. creatine is for frats and Jersey shore.
Jun 11 2010 3:43PM
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Tasche
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I agree with everything here but I do think creatine increase my max pretty substantially. It might just be that when I take it I am more focused though.

I have found that getting in shape is probably 60-80% diet. I can work out every day for 2 hours and eat like shit and drink on the weekends. Or I can work out 3 times a week for an hour and be really careful what I eat and see the same results.
Jun 11 2010 3:47PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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my workouts change fairly regularly so as to keep from becoming stagnant. i don't lift to become the incredible hulk man. i've got a small frame and am never going to be like arnold or anything. i lift to stay strong and cut the fuck up.
Jun 11 2010 3:49PM
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Oreos
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you'll wana try an attach dosage too. by that i mean take 3 times the recommended dose for a week then go to recommended. drink lots of water, yes some of the size in creatine is water weight but it facilitates greater levels of protein synthesis as you need water to build muscle duhhh. and lets be honest what's the worst that can happen.

you'll want to eat every 3 hours with protein in every meal. no shitty white bread pasta carbs. no fucking useless and i mean USELESS isolation exercises. look at that squat rank and get angry at it, then turn to the deadlift platform and dominate it. those are the only two exercises you need for ski muscle. and keep it heavy for goodness sake, always set a personal record [if you squatted 130kg for 3x8 next time 135 3x8 or 130 3x9] and for squats vary rep ranges, they respond well to that. only 4 lifting workouts a week, keep intense cardio to a min if you're going for muscle growth. take a week off every few months.

yea you get the jist

Jun 11 2010 4:24PM
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assface
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it doesnt matter what you guys say, this kid is just gonna see and listen to what he wants to hear, not listen to any of these people telling him that its terrible for him and hes gonna have muscles filled with water
Jun 11 2010 4:28PM
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ECfreeski3
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solid post thanks
Jun 11 2010 4:29PM
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Zump.
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No hate here, but from my experiences, I don't trust trainers. They almost mislead you to believe that you need to work out the "old fashioned way," because it takes longer and they will get paid more while you are their client. In the end, you will get the same result.

I don't take creatine, but have a friend that does. His dad is a respectable doctor and wouldn't let him be on it if it was bad for him.

Your body produces it naturally anyways and it supplies energy to the muscle, giving you a better workout. It would make sense that there are protein supplements mixed into it when it is sold so your body can rebuild.
Jun 11 2010 4:37PM
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Slinger1x1
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your an idiot

Creatine converts used up ATP (energy for your cells) back into ATP so you have more energy to work out. it does cause water retention but it also allows you to work out longer and harder which will show very real results.

and if you take CEE creatine, there is very little bloating and its absorbed much much more than the other crap.

Creatine has been called the second best supplement to take next to whey protein. if taken correctly, its very effective and beneficial. dont ask NS, go to bodybuilding.com
Jun 11 2010 4:45PM
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[-mvee-]
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if i dont drink alotta water i get the worst headaches with creatine. but i do see some inprovement in my bechpress and squating though so its worth it.
Jun 11 2010 4:45PM
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Oreos
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ever thought of drinking water to get rid of the headaches? just a thought....but if you like headaches go ahead and not.
Jun 11 2010 4:50PM
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cobra_commander
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Dude, its called the first law...

What creatine does do, is allow your body to increase the power delivered to your muscles. So more ATP per second. But you don't actually get more energy, if you did, you would get a nobel prize. It activates ATP 'carriers' but when your not on creatine, you won't see the same power going to your muscles, and you will fatigue very quickly as your muscles are not used to working on lower power. This is why I view creatine as counter productive to 'effective' strength.
Jun 11 2010 4:59PM
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