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It recently came to my attention that a lot of people cannot tie a tie. On my way to french class a kid came up to me and had i tie on that looked awful and his friend told him to take it off and have me tie it. And as i picked up by vest and tie for prom i realized the tie was a clip on, I asked the guy giving it to me if they had any normal ties up for rental and he told me "no all of our ties come pre tied." I have been tying my own ties for since I was in the third grade and is it just me or are clip on ties for 4 year olds?