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PETITION: KEEP TOBACCO OUT OF SKIING

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smuggs
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After reading a thread in NSG, I'm shocked about people rationalizing that its OK for tobacco to be a part of newschool skiing.

[B]If you want to discuss the topic head here:[/B]

[URL="https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/541552/page/1/"]https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/541552/page/1/[/URL]

[B]If you think tobacco has no part in newschool skiing put your name in this thread you are reading.[/B]

This hopefully will let people step up to the plate, and maybe someone will see this who matters. It was quoted in the other thread that newschoolers.com pretty much invented this sport, so the site has say in it.

Tobacco has nothing to do with skiing. Their money will not help the sport. Anyone who takes thier money should rethink what they are doing.

THIS is taken from GT (general tobacco) 's website:
[B]GT and its employees are fully compliant with the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA), which confirms that we will not direct our marketing strategies toward youth; including the use of cartoons in advertising, outdoor advertising, free samples for minors, and restricting sponsorship of events with an abundant population of youth. In addition, General Tobacco is pleased to comply with all financial provisions set by the MSA in contributing to local, state, and federal foundations directed to the prevention and elimination of underage smoking.[/B]

Older folks usually don't look up to athletes the way young kids do. By sponsoring someone who young kids look up to a (newschool skier), and putting adds in a magazine, which is based around newschool skiing, which IS a sport of [B]ABUNDANT POPULATION OF YOUTH, GT is DIRECTING THEIR MARKETING STRATEGIES TOWARDS YOUTH and thus ARE NOT FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE MASTER SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT[/B]
May 19 2010 12:19PM
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84891jnf92048
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as creator of the NSG thread, i join this petition.
May 20 2010 11:24PM
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skientrepreneur
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As much as I hate the smell of smoke and seeing my beautiful white snow turned to a chew stain,

the resort owner has the right to make this decision to allow smoking or not, not me or the government!  I believe in a free market!  Remember that, all of you who voted for hope and change!

May 21 2010 12:14AM
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A_Zuck
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That was a completely irrational comparison. if your going to get involved in an argument at least think out your points instead of just getting angry and mashing at your keyboard without thinking about it
May 21 2010 12:28AM
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Commonwealth
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Yeah man! Because Obama has everything to do with this!

Read the thread, dumbass.
May 21 2010 12:33AM
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Kevski
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Do you really think that anything even remotely encouraging the impressionable and immature "youth" to use tobacco (and its already discussed health effects) is worth some $$$? If lives are worth a little bit more money for the industry to you, then honestly you make me sick.

It's easy to talk about people's lives that you don't know in a detached way when you're on the internet, but just think about family or close friends suffering/dying directly caused by tobacco addiction. I never knew my grandma because she had a stroke before I was born, and has been totally out of it the whole time I've been alive. I honestly can't accept anything that leads to a smoking addiction, because it's completely preventable.

With all the citations and all that for how youth are definitely influenced by ads, along with being an active NS member and seeing all the dick-sucking of people's favorite pros, in addition to total gear whoreishness for anything those pros use, it seems logical that allowing ads promoting tobacco use to be in the skiing industry can lead to addictions in "youth". No, one ad isn't going to make someone try snus. But that one ad means a change in standards and a likelihood that more will follow. And it'll put the idea in their mind, remind them that the product exists. Some kids are gonna be curious and try it. Some of those kids will become addicted, and have unnecessary health issues.


That said, some of my friends and people I respect smoke/chew/dip, and I have no problem with the fact that they do it (other than the fact that in Canada taxpayers cover the health bills that tobacco causes). Like Frodo said, everything is hidden from plain view, so unless you are looking for a pack of cigs you won't see them. There aren't any ads for the products on TV or billboards (except anti-smoking ones and nicorette), and the only way people see them is when people see them in person. People can't smoke within like 3 meters (like 10 feet) of doorways of public places. This method works for me.

Tobacco ads shouldn't be in skiing mags either.

-K. K.


And would any of the smokers in this thread be willing to tell me why they do it? Like I'm legit curious. PM an answer if you don't want to get personal in this thread.
May 21 2010 2:48AM
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Colt45er
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im with ya bud, i aint into it. pollution.
May 21 2010 9:27AM
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Schlop
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this point has probably already been introduced, but i read a lot of the 7 pages. if you've ever looked through a magazine of another sport, tobacco ads are in their too. this is nothing new to the world of sports.
May 21 2010 12:39PM
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Static
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page 1: skier sliding huge handrail, with 30 ft drop to concrete and cheese grader stairs leading into a busy street
page 2: snus ad
weenie's up in here: OMG "tobacco" what a dangerous thing to promote!
May 21 2010 12:54PM
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Trashpuppet
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agreed
May 21 2010 2:17PM
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MrLarsen
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That head spin is called nicotine-shock, and is your bodies reaction too the enormous amounts of nicotine in snus (way more than in cigarettes). I had pretty much the same reaction the first time I tried it too, except I also puked my guts out, and I've never done snus again (atleast not in a state sober enough to remember).

The other thing to remember about snus is that they contain more pure tobacco, but less other shit (like tar etc.) that you get from smoking cigarettes. And with snus you don't get any second-hand "snusers". So in some ways it's better than smoking.

When it comes to advertising I'm against it. But then again, I'm from Norway, where it's illegal to advertise for alcohol and tobacco products (a law which I quite like by the way)
May 21 2010 3:20PM
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Mike.Records
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I hate tobacco, it smells like shit. I hate being around tobacco. I go to the mountains to be somewhere natural, not to be somewhere that smells like a burning dumpster.
May 21 2010 7:38PM
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artrud
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agree w OP for some many reasons....
May 21 2010 7:54PM
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TheUngroomed
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FTW /thread
May 21 2010 8:16PM
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Fischer-Addicted
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May be a dick move totally fucking this thread over, but he's correct.
May 21 2010 10:29PM
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ankhou
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You idiots need to stop quoting that post and read the rest of the thread.
May 21 2010 10:50PM
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KneeDrop
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^^I read every page buddy, this still wins.
May 21 2010 11:41PM
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wolvmatt
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Quoting mrstskierClick for larger image from May 19 2010 12:31:10:
no, just no. why do you or anyone else give a fuck? does it affect you? no, it doesnt. if someone wants to smoke/chew its their issue, not your, and if freeskier needs to sell ad space then they sell to the company with the most moral offer. Snus puts sin into our sport, so i see many single problems with it. would any of you bitch about say a victoria secret ad in freeskier? how about you all stop bitching about the monster ads, sense that drink and all energy drinks are good for you. very few things in this world are bad for you, get used to it. if you have a real problem with a little ad in a crappy magazine, grab a porno instead, the magazine clearly doesn't need your money (sarcasm). most people have been raised being told that tabacco is bad for you, so if someone wants to use it any way, that is there problem and they deserve to get cancer.
Most logical of arguments is here.
May 21 2010 11:53PM
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Jthoms
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TROLL
May 21 2010 11:54PM
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smuggs
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"But we see it everywhere",
"a little add in freeskier wont hurt anyone"
is exactly the reaction they want. its just like
"a little ciggarette never hurt anyone"
 "a fat wad in my jaw never hurt anyone"
 "i know im gonna die from it but this shits off the charts"
" its not gonna hurt anyone. it couldnt hurt anyone"
" red bull is worse for you"

THERE IS NO rationalizing, this money ISNT doin shit for u and i and the MONEY that does nothing for u and i, comes from PEOPLE THAT KNOWINGLY KILL OTHER PEOPLE, and not just killing them but in the mean time, making it so they cant easily stop once they start and EMPTYING their pockets before they die. This also is putting a burden on tax payers, and helping to make it so insurance really is not affordable to u and i. all while packaging it up in a friendly bundle waiting for your family to read.

so have fun dumbasses, and the people that see the point of this thread, right on. /thread,

smuggs is out of this one.
May 22 2010 2:51AM
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84891jnf92048
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exactly. since we started seeing tobacco ads has anyone gone, "oh wow, the ski industry is suddenly booming!"? nope.
May 22 2010 7:15AM
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KneeDrop
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I'm still just blown away by the hate level. If you don't want do use tobacco then don't. If you don't want the kids you know to start using this dangerous and addicting drug then tell them how you feel about it and hopefully they make the right decision.  Advertising doesn't force you to do anything. Anyone who would start chewing because PeteO does it is a very weak minded individual with no good role models in that area.  Hiding the ads and the sponsorships doesn't stop tobacco. Advertising is most definitely NOT the reason tobacco is successful.

I'm currently quitting chewing, but I still have nothing against someone who chooses  to use tobacco..
IT"S THEIR LIFE WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN
May 22 2010 10:43AM
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-justice-
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while we're on our little crusade let's cut out all shots/edits/mention of booze and parties from magazines and edits as well.  In fact, let's write Voleurz and Darren Rayner and tell them that Coors shouldn't be a sponsor for their videos anymore either. 
May 22 2010 10:44AM
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Mr.Huck
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Admittedly, I haven't made it through the whole thread, but this gets my vote for best reply.  It definitely seems like the Tobacco Industry is trying to figure out a way to side step MSA and appeal to the younger demographic. 

My family originally came from North and South Carolina.  My mom grew up right next to the RJ Reynolds Estate in Winston Salem.  Her mother (my grandmother) died of emphysema.  Now my aunt, my mom's older sister, has it, and she hasn't smoked for probably 30 years.  I smoked in college and chewed Skoal for years after school.  Nicotine is a powerful and highly addictive narcotic.  Smoking or chewing may start as a choice, but it quickly turns into an addiction.  Even when you are determined to quit, it is really hard to do.  The only thing that worked for me was acupuncture.   

I do not think that the tobacco industry should be allowed to advertize in print or online to anything that has a predominately young demographic.  Since Freeskiers' readers for the most part fall into the under 21 crowd, tobacco products should not be advertized in Freeskier.  Sorry, but the advertizing dollars just aren't worth it. 

May 22 2010 12:08PM
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dirty.
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Ive given up all hope on this website. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Smuggs, who daily kills it on the hill harder than 95% of you faggots makes a totally valid point that tobacco has ABSOLUTELY no place in the ski industry for many reasons. In return he gets hate from a bunch of 16 year olds that just found out its cool to smoke butts and do snus. The tobacco industry IS the devil considering it causes more deaths in america each year than anything else combined, and has such a massive influence on the economy it makes me sick.

smoke weed not cigs, pack pussy not dip... unless youre into cancer and not being able to breath properly
May 22 2010 1:49PM
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dirty.
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D. Curtis
May 22 2010 1:50PM
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the-big-lepowski
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tobacco should remain legal. skiing magazines should not advertise it. Just look at most of the really IGNANT styles that enter freeskiing, and tell me that Freeskier/NS/any other ski media didn't play a central role in selling that image to kids. Not just ski gear, but outerwear and generally whatever lifestyle pros look like they're living is cool for the easily-swayed youth of freeskiing.
Did a few more minors pack a lip because tanner was using snus in one of his movies? I have no idea, but if a few did, and he's their role model, then that's not acceptable. Its not simply a matter of ignoring cancer-warning statements, but rather emulating the whole life of ski heros.
-T. Whip.
May 22 2010 2:03PM
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jamodeo
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I really don't care if people are smoking or chewing at the mountain I've smoked it's not my thing but I do dislike the ads it gets kids started quick if they see someone they admire doing it so

J. Amodeo
May 22 2010 2:04PM
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casual
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Minus the "devil" comment, I agree with the OP whole heartedly. Tobacco advertising in ski publications and sponsoring newschool/jib skiers is totally inappropriate and probably just BARELY legal.

None of the objectors to the ads are making any moral judgements about using tobacco nor are they(we) trying to control anyone's lives...I don't care if others smoke or dip. Sure, I don't like second-hand smoke, but I've become fairly desensitized to it, and truly don't care what others do to their bodies.

Lastly, I can't believe so many people in this thread—who I assume to be adults—doubt the efficacy of advertising....seriously? Companies don't spend millions on ads because they don't work. Yeah, I think very few people see an ad for tobacco and then make the decision to pick up, that'd be a gross oversimplification. However, those ads, along with friends and family influence, and other factors DO lead people to pick up.
May 22 2010 2:12PM
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frenchfries
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exactly
May 22 2010 2:29PM
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i+am+ghetto
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100% agreed.

get that shit outta skiing!
May 22 2010 2:54PM
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johanblaze
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT1IU7Q6Q0Q
May 22 2010 3:30PM
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swanyd
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Tobacco ad's have no place in Freeskier . As a result I have stopped going to the Freeskier web site, buying the mag and cancelled my Freeskier podcast. I wrote them my concerns and a few questions but they didn't bother responding so they lost my business.
May 22 2010 5:10PM
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KRAMPUSNTROLLZ
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Adolf Hitler
May 22 2010 6:57PM
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207allday
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its funny that freeskier doesn't voice its concerns on this issue at all , not that I personally care about tobacco but it seems like enough people don't like to to say something publically
May 22 2010 7:07PM
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Travapple.
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this thread should have been over in 2 posts.
May 22 2010 7:17PM
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king.tubby
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tobacco and skiing go together like fat people and diet coke.

May 22 2010 10:38PM
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king.tubby
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further evidence. not even gonna try this time but here's a link:

http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/v9putg89u64bxs.jpg
May 22 2010 10:40PM
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popNfresh44
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N. Sun
May 22 2010 10:50PM
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T-Holt
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I was cautious about using slavery because of the huge difference between that and smoking, I just couldn't really think of anything else.

I wasn't trying to compare the two, I was trying to compare the attitudes.

Maybe a better example would be recycling. For example, someone doesn't take the effort to find a recycling bin while walking down the street, and they think, well, I'm not gonna make a difference so I'll just throw it in the trash. While one person doing it might not make a difference, it's the attitude that's the problem because too many people think like that. I hope I'm making sense.

I really wasn't trying to compare the tobacco ads and slavery, just the attitude.
May 22 2010 11:03PM
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AALT
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AALT

May 22 2010 11:08PM
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CakedWiddit
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pretty sure you cant roll a spliff without tobacco so......i think ill keep the two hand in hand
May 22 2010 11:43PM
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the_moderaper
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K. Donath
May 22 2010 11:55PM
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jason...
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GARY BUSEY
May 23 2010 12:11AM
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TAFapparel
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smuggs your a NORT. stop bitching. peace
May 23 2010 1:29AM
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TheButterHashira
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Why don't all of you buy a fucking ad in freeskier encouraging kids to not use tobacco instead of doing whatever it is you're doing now. 
Go read a sports illustrated or any other magazine and you will see cigarette ads in them. IMO snus is not nearly as bad as cigarettes. Snus doesn't hurt other people around the user and doesn't cause respiratory problems. Tobacco is just another thing we put in our body. Sugar and alcohol are extremely bad for you too. Should the man who sells deep fried snickers not be allowed to advertise as well?
May 23 2010 2:14AM
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84891jnf92048
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not true at all. sugar is necessary to live, and alcohol, if used responsibly, can do no damage. actually, certain alcohols have been shown to be beneficial to one's health. however, smoke one cigarette, and your life expectancy is shortened, you have a higher risk for cancer and respiratory problems.
May 23 2010 8:29AM
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dave_uninc
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Tobacco is fucking gay anywhere!
David Findlay
May 23 2010 9:14AM
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skodeo7
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Comparing Snus to sugar is like comparing an AK-47 to a BB gun.
May 23 2010 9:29AM
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Static
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perfect example, tons of kids have bb guns, not so many AKs. Here I bet the total negative societal cost of those BB guns is much higher than that of the AKs. They can both be bad, but the widespread use of one makes it a much larger problem.
May 23 2010 10:42AM
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remove
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just let it die......
May 23 2010 10:52AM
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