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PETITION: KEEP TOBACCO OUT OF SKIING

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smuggs
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After reading a thread in NSG, I'm shocked about people rationalizing that its OK for tobacco to be a part of newschool skiing.

[B]If you want to discuss the topic head here:[/B]

[URL="https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/541552/page/1/"]https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/541552/page/1/[/URL]

[B]If you think tobacco has no part in newschool skiing put your name in this thread you are reading.[/B]

This hopefully will let people step up to the plate, and maybe someone will see this who matters. It was quoted in the other thread that newschoolers.com pretty much invented this sport, so the site has say in it.

Tobacco has nothing to do with skiing. Their money will not help the sport. Anyone who takes thier money should rethink what they are doing.

THIS is taken from GT (general tobacco) 's website:
[B]GT and its employees are fully compliant with the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA), which confirms that we will not direct our marketing strategies toward youth; including the use of cartoons in advertising, outdoor advertising, free samples for minors, and restricting sponsorship of events with an abundant population of youth. In addition, General Tobacco is pleased to comply with all financial provisions set by the MSA in contributing to local, state, and federal foundations directed to the prevention and elimination of underage smoking.[/B]

Older folks usually don't look up to athletes the way young kids do. By sponsoring someone who young kids look up to a (newschool skier), and putting adds in a magazine, which is based around newschool skiing, which IS a sport of [B]ABUNDANT POPULATION OF YOUTH, GT is DIRECTING THEIR MARKETING STRATEGIES TOWARDS YOUTH and thus ARE NOT FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE MASTER SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT[/B]
May 19 2010 12:19PM
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Meadows
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I have to agree; it has no place in skiing! Where does one draw the line?  Alcohol, energy drinks, pain meds, this list goes on.  As a skier, I love all the magazines and wish there were more; many have failed due to a lack of revenue streams.  If tobacco can help keep my favorite magazine afloat, so be it.   

If kids wish to smoke/chew/suck/sniff tobacco products, its up to their parents to educate them on the problems they cause.  Unfortunately, maternal tendencies never seem to curb use of a substance!  I think the problem is douche bags like Schmuck and Olenick glorifying these products.  Kids look up to these people, not adds!!!!

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May 19 2010 5:02PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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WOULD SOMEBODY PLEEEAAAAASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN????

I guess freedom of press doesn't really apply to advertising now does it??
May 19 2010 5:02PM
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smuggs
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either way the MSA would still apply
May 19 2010 5:03PM
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J_BISCHOF
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I dont know if this was brought up yet but redbull and Monster and all of those drinks are as bad or worse for you in the long run then cigarettes. A lot of people don't know it yet cause they are marketed as "energy supplements" and things to "kick into gear when you need them most". Little do we all know, we are all killing ourselves with these awesome energy givers.

yet they have taken over the market of sponsorship, and event management. Everybody jizzes over red bull events, red bull sponsored videos and redbull riders (replace the word redbull with monster in all that) and not one person says "those companies are setting a terrible example for what is healthy and should not be involved in our sport especially because children can permanantly ruin their lives by drinking 4 redbulls a day".

If your gonna say that tobacco shouldn't be a part of our sport then your gonna have to use the same arguement on all those energy drinks.

And the sport is deadly dangerous anyway, so anyone that is participating in it in the first place is subjecting themselves to a world that its as easy to die in a fraction of a second as it is to be permanantly parapalegic.
May 19 2010 5:06PM
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ectreeskier11
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i agree, but ya should have read the thread before posting that. it's been pointed out numerous times.
May 19 2010 5:08PM
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J_BISCHOF
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plus, cigs are fucking cool. You don't see max hill bein a bitch and not smoking cigs. and hes the man.
May 19 2010 5:08PM
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Midwestjibski
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Epic thread.  People who want to control other things/people clash against the free man.  I vote for the free man.  You do what you want and face the consequences.
May 19 2010 5:11PM
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J_BISCHOF
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word bro, next time.
May 19 2010 5:12PM
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smuggs
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FOR THE LAST TIME this thread isnt about saying you dont have the right to smoke cigs.

Its about targeting youth with their adds. And a massive settlement that tobacco companies have already done, and then the MSA was formed.

The master settlement agreement said it was not ethical to direct advertising, sponsorship, lobbying, and litigation activities, particularly as those activities targeted youth;

U can smoke as many cigs as you want or throw 10 dips in if you feel like it, i aint treddin on that shit. tobacco companies love you, so do doctors.
May 19 2010 5:15PM
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AwR
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fuck that lets keep skiing out of tobacco. With the high death rates skiers make horrible tobacco users.
May 19 2010 5:21PM
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Abc567def
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It does seem that the average age of NS is a minor https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/370522/
May 19 2010 5:25PM
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-ROY-
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i enjoy a smoke on the lift
May 19 2010 5:27PM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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Who cares really?
May 19 2010 5:41PM
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404404
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Shit needs to stay out of skiing.
May 19 2010 5:41PM
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VT_scratch
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im with ya pal
May 19 2010 5:43PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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although I don't really care its a pretty easy/obvious choice to side with the OP


May 19 2010 5:45PM
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smuggs
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we dont need a pole to show that an abundant amount of kids are on this site...... we have this thread.
May 19 2010 5:46PM
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Afeld
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I agree. Tobacco Products should have no place in skiing

A. F.
May 19 2010 5:56PM
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EMK
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i agree
May 19 2010 6:02PM
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yohaass60
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Def needs to stay out of skiing, i don't care if people do it but when its advertised around me in all the freeskier podcasts its whack!
May 19 2010 6:10PM
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*TURBONERD*
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May 19 2010 6:15PM
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Malczyk
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Agreed!
May 19 2010 6:23PM
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jayo.
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Okay I guess its time to throw in my two cents

First of all I don't smoke or chew because I think it's revolting, but I know a lot of people who do and that's their choice, which I'm cool with.

And as for the advertising to children, even if they don't see it in a skiing magazine, they will be exposed to pro-tobacco advertising elsewhere. So, honestly, I don't really think it matters where it's advertised and there's really no getting away from it.

The thing that really needs to be considered is whether or not children are properly educated on the effects of using tobacco(or doing drugs, drinking, having sex, etc.). Kids need to be taught more effectively and at a younger age the HONEST truth about these things (not all the biased shit that health teachers give you).

If kids are effectively educated about all of the consequences, then they should know enough not to fall for ads in a magazine. So even if they are in Freeskier, not every 13 year old skier kid will go out and buy a pack of cigs (which I'm not saying is what will happen, but you get the idea).

And please excuse my rambling
May 19 2010 6:27PM
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jeR.
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who gives a shit
May 19 2010 6:33PM
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Peter.
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epic thread backfire
May 19 2010 6:41PM
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smuggs
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Not so sure if this is "an epic thread backfire" more so that a bunch of people getting defensive and voicing their heartfelt opinions in a thread that asked for no opinions. Not a backfire just people being dumb
May 19 2010 7:02PM
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TOK
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i have never seen a beer commercial in a freeskier mag or on freeskier's website.
May 19 2010 7:09PM
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Juice.Doctor
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hi:)
May 19 2010 7:23PM
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Mike-O
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As long as it doesn't affect anyone else, what's the problem? I've never seen anyone smoke tobacco in a gondola, but I've seen people toke in one. I think there's something to think about that one as well..

Yes, I smoke from time to time.
May 19 2010 7:26PM
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Malcolm
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i dont really have a problem with people who smoke, but i still think its wrong to have tobacco advertise in skiing
May 19 2010 7:55PM
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wolvmatt
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Smokers are so rude.  It never occurs to them that all the people around them are disgusted by their smoking.
May 19 2010 7:55PM
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leahey
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Hope you enjoy throat cancer your ignorant twat.
May 19 2010 7:57PM
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wolvmatt
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How are energy drinks killing us?  They don't have nearly as dangerous side-effects as tobacco does.  With all the evidence you gave us, energy drinks could prolong life for all we know.

Tobacco has been proven to cause cancer. 

May 19 2010 7:59PM
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LOLO_FAVRE
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it's funny cause when a sport goes to be welknown all the big sponsors goes to it!!!!
nobody is complaining when it's an alcohol sponsor who come to the sport....
i don't make the apologie of tobacco cause i quit smoking 4 years ago but just it's just marketing and sponsors come to every sport they know they will have adds and stuff so don't blaim it but this is how the world is going on right now
i know people are complaining about it or hate it but it's like that
skiing is getting more exposure and people who get the money come to it cause on big event they just got spots
watch soccer formula one and big sport like that
skiing is getting better known i'm not saying it's great to have tobacco in it but when people like that who come in it means that our sport is going to be big and super known

lolzo
May 19 2010 8:06PM
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Just let it go. Mention tobacco on this site and the world goes into a shitstorm that lasts a good 5 pages.

PS I smoke, chew, and use snus. Its advertised heavily in magazines for more mature aduiences (like Guns and ammo) But as this thread proves people cannot live with other people making their own choices.

May 19 2010 8:17PM
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jason...
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My home mountain banned smoking on their property this year, if you're this much of a pussy come ski here! One last point, my day just isn't complete without a smoke on the lift, warm smoke in the lungs, cool mountain air, just right.
May 19 2010 8:19PM
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Mike-O
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How is chew? That's the only thing I've ever found disgusting, but have never tried.
May 19 2010 8:20PM
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just gotta find one you can stand the taste of. I like it because you keep the buzz as long as you keep in the dip. I'll sit at work or ski with one in at most for an hour though.....  But just have to find a can you can stand tasting. Skoal of some kind of fruity flavor is a great starter
May 19 2010 8:24PM
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Broseph_Stalin
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... Whats that?

o im sorry, i was just just enjoying a cigar
May 19 2010 8:24PM
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I.Love.Beezy
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tobacco is bad for you. skiing is good for you. no point in calling people pussies over it. its the simple truth is that if you chew, or smoke pot, you arent helping your body.

May 19 2010 8:25PM
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tedmgee
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chew is alot more potent i think.

you know when you smoke a cig u get a hea rush alittle but? well chew is stronger and lasts alot longer.

i have chewed bfore but not anymore. i smoke tho.

back to the topic:

why the fuck do you care if there is some tabacco ad in a magazine? people know the risks of tabacco. and its their choice to make.

doing this isnt gonna get you to heaven.

PS: FUCK YOU

May 19 2010 8:27PM
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bpalmer
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the responses in this thread appear to be between a second and third grade reading level. as such, I vote we say fuck tobacco, monster, redbull, pussy, beer, weed, coke, crack, pcp, and whatever else you guys are scared of, and petition to see if we can get Hooked on Phonics or Webster's to throw us some cake.
May 19 2010 8:36PM
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J.DUKE
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May 19 2010 8:45PM
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Schlop
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it's a hollow rule.. I've been on the chair with a liftee, smoking weed while he had a smoke
May 19 2010 8:52PM
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Davy.Crockett
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also it doesn't provide a great image
May 19 2010 8:52PM
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TheButterHashira
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Thats from 2 year ago so a bunch of those users are legal to dip now. BOOYAHH
May 19 2010 8:53PM
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TheButterHashira
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This is fucking newschoolers. If you say anything you will have opposition. second or third post was a post giving reasons as to why they disagreed with you and all you had to say was insult them and say they ruined your thread. You seem to be the more defensive one.
You may not have asked for an opinion but you're getting one.
May 19 2010 8:56PM
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smuggs
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insightful tanner. thanks for working this all out.
May 19 2010 9:18PM
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jason...
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Petition for smuggs to stop being such a goddamn pussy. I'd write a big thing about how it doesn't affect you but I'm sure you've read enough of those this thread to realize how dumb you look.
May 19 2010 9:18PM
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smuggs
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you guys are classic.
May 19 2010 9:19PM
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