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Accessories for T2I

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ReedSkis~
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Hey NS,
I'm about to buy a t2i and am thinking about what accessories to buy along with it.

I have realized that I will need some sort of stabilization, so I have narrowed it down to a:

GlideCam HD 2000 ($280)

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or a

CVP SM1 shoulder mount ($105) which is used by philip bloom http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/public/view_item_cat.php?catalogue_number=cvp_shoulder_mount

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Other accessories I am thinking about are:

ZFinder Jr. ($250) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/682689-REG/Zacuto_Z_FIND_JR_Z_Finder_Jr_.html

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IDC Follow Focus ($400) [note, I would get the DFocus if it was in stock] http://www.idcphotography.com/kart/index.php?p=product&id=145&parent=30

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I would like to keep the price as low as possible, so keeping that in mind, what are the most essential of these four products for filming skiing and for HDSLR filming in general?

Thanks!
Reed
May 18 2010 8:27PM
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family_vacation
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what speed SD cards are you guys getting?
May 31 2010 2:12AM
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1337
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There is no real conclusive evidence as to which camera truly overheats faster/more. It all depends on the conditions the camera is being used in (Setting, time of day, exposure to sun, lcd brightness, 1st v. 3rd party batteries, clip duration, recording frequency, down time between shots, just to name a few) and what copy of a camera you get (there ARE some bad apples out there). People can say that the t2i will overheat faster because of its plastic body and smaller body, but the same can be said about the 7d being weather sealed, having two processors, and having a metal body. No real true "scientific" test has been conducted yet to truly confirm which one in fact overheats more. As for the skiing comment, I will admit that was a bit ignorant and foolish to say. However, being in the cold does help cool things down, to what extent I don't know, and that's as far as I can back it up. You are going to read stories of BOTH overheating, but keep in mind, these are all case related. Please.

SOURCES:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1988797&highlight=overheating
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=201843&highlight=heating
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1985180&highlight=overheating
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=14591&p=105102&hilit=overheating#p105102

I hate to come across as bashing anyone and acting "retarded." Paul has thrown together some great work and I enjoy watching and learning from his work. Believe me, I too have spent countless hours doing my research and reading up on all the cameras as well, and for me, the t2i was worth it. I'd hate to thread jack and make an uber long post, but if anyone wants me to, I can. Yes I know the 7d is the overall better camera (regarding stills and some video options) but that is why it costs $600 more. Yes I am aware that the t2i doesn't have some features of the 7d, but may I remind you all that these are fricking HDSLRS and if you compare them to a standard prosumer camera you could think of a million reasons why NOT to buy one. Well, most of us know the problems of them, most of us know how to get around these issues, and most of us know the promise that these cameras hold.

Quoting ski.the.east's reply
Lololololol Paul has a perfect point and your just retarded.
You need to gtfo of all HDSLR discussions cuz you just postwhore and have no idea what your talking about

OH RLY???

I will close out with this quote from Barry Green (google him if you want his credentials)

Quoted Quote [[[[I will buy the t2i now, learn to shoot with the shortcommings of the VDSLRs and get "the new breed" at the end of the year or in early 2011... Just my 2c]]]]

I think those are wise 2c. If I was buying into a Canon at this time, I'd go with the t2i as well. It's so incredibly affordable, its disadvantages in video are very minor compared to the more-expensive 7D, and it has a movie-sized frame as opposed to the 5D. t2i seems like the real sweet spot of Canon DSLRs.

:)
May 31 2010 2:36AM
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PBraunstein
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ive never said the 2i was a bad camera. the only point ive been trying to get across, is if you have the money, spend it. dont hold back and "buy an extra lens" with the money you saved... buy the 7d, wait another month, and then buy your extra lens.

no matter how much you want to argue it, the 7d is a superior camera, in many ways.

the thing about waiting for technology to come... thats great, i got shit to do now, not later. not to mention that the canon firmware updates (and magic latern updates), which will bring new technology to all of our cameras, but the 7d, has lottts of room to improve (and power)..



and about your post, yes, the weather sealing contains some heat. but use your brain... a magnesium body acts as a heat sink (if you dont know what a heat sink is, look it up) and disperses a lot of heat. plastic is a terrible medium for heat to be dispersed from, therefore, holding much more heat.
May 31 2010 11:59AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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I still find it funny you think a 7d is gonna overheat just as fast as a T2i

May 31 2010 12:43PM
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1337
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I'd like to point out that I didn't say that anywhere in my post :)
May 31 2010 1:42PM
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1337
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Oh yea definitely, the 7D is the superior camera. Intermediate isos and kelvin white balance, etc all help in video mode. If i had that extra $700 laying around I definitely would have gotten a 7d, but I only had as much as my DVC30 sold for, so I went with the t2i.

A lot of other NS'ers are in the same situation as I was, and they only can afford the t2i. Like you said, they COULD wait to get the money, but they need a camera now. I am here to tell them that the t2i is a great budget alternative IF THEY CANNOT AFFORD the 7d.
May 31 2010 1:48PM
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eheath
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If you can't afford the 7d then you can't afford the t2i with the right setup, IMO.
May 31 2010 1:50PM
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Keyjibbs
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While I see where you're coming from, I disagree. For the price of the 7D body you could have the T2i plus a lens or two, follow focus, viewfinder, H4N, plus batteries and memory cards. That right there is a decent setup for under $1600.
May 31 2010 1:57PM
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PBraunstein
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so you're going to pile mediocre equipment on top of mediocre equipment? Eheath is right.. id like you to find me a QUALITY full rail rig, QUALITY FF, lcdfinder for the kind of money you are talking.

IMO, if you are serious enough about filming where you are going to dump money into an SLR, and all the shit you need to make quality vidoes with them, then i dont understand why you would choose the cheap route. Even myself, I took the route of the 7d knowing that i wouldnt have the money (right away) to buy everything i needed (mostly a rig, ff, mattebox, lcdfinder,more lenses, audio set up... @$2000) but i feel like ive gotten away with making some fairly quality edits (although much improvement is still needed) with my body, my 17-40L, my pentax 50mm from the 60s, manfrotto lightduty tripod with fluid head and my glidecam (extra batteries, filters, and memory is obvious).

im done in here... sorry if im coming of as an ass.
May 31 2010 2:14PM
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eheath
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1600 cheap setup that will not be what you want.
May 31 2010 2:55PM
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Keyjibbs
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I wouldn't consider a Zacuto Z-Finder Jr. and Zoom H4N cheap in quality by any means. As PBraunstein said, there is some awesome older lenses that you can find for cheap. Which is what I factored into my kit. While the D-Focus is pretty cheap and may not be Redrock, it does get the job done and for money it's a good deal and many users swear by it. I would rather have a decent kit than to have a 7D body and lens.
May 31 2010 3:15PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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You did write a lot, like you always do, so you must have forgot, I'll help you out :)

"People can say that the t2i will overheat faster because of its plastic body and smaller body, but the same can be said about the 7d being weather sealed, having two processors, and having a metal body."

^I lol because you think the magnesium body is even comparable to plastic...
heres a link to the 7ds body because it seems like you dont know what its made of: http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/canon-7d-magnesium-body-600x234.jpg


and my favorite: "There is no real conclusive evidence as to which camera truly overheats faster/more"

unless you are retarded a plastic body is going to boil before you feel the heat using a 7d

Heath and Paul know pretty much exactly what they are talking about, you on the other hand, do not... ☺
May 31 2010 3:16PM
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family_vacation
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Everyone is off to buy a new exciting camera, so lets all be nice to each other even though some people might not know as much as others. This thread certainly took a turn for the worse.

and yeah, you have to spend a fair amount to get a decent setup. Still, people can buy these in stages. For starting out, a solid lens, the body, and a mic will get you some okay looking stuff.

This is just with a 7D, the kit lens, and a rode mic.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000071748575&v=app_2392950137#!/video/video.php?v=1273546521939

and with everything being available separate, you can buy in stages. You can start with bare bones components, and you can continue to buy more stuff as you get more money. Most people here will be primarily buying these to film skiing. Next year's ski season is a way off, so you will have time.

I'm lucky enough to have stumbled upon my dad's collection of old glass from the 60s and 70s, and I'm sure that everyone here will make it work for themselves. and hey, I'd much rather see a flood of DSLR edits in the video section than the go pro explosion after Christmas last season.
May 31 2010 3:17PM
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1337
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:O what'd you find?!?!
May 31 2010 3:27PM
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family_vacation
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there are a few bigger lenses(like a 135mm), but then there are a couple smaller primes as well. I think there is a 24mm and a 50mm.
May 31 2010 3:47PM
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family_vacation
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/36919-GREY/Nikon_1416_Wide_Angle_24mm_f_2_8.html

This guy.
May 31 2010 3:48PM
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1337
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are the bigger guys primes as well?
Fuck I gotta get me some of those m42 primes, they are soooooo crisp
May 31 2010 4:04PM
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TravelsTI
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Finally found one on costco.com yesterday, 799 for kit plus 8gb Sandisk + free shipping. 
Jun 2 2010 1:49PM
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J-Evs
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u lucky bitch ahah
anyways

what is an ideal overall good lens for shooting skiing?
Jun 2 2010 9:54PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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i hear the terms "overall" and "all around" being used quite a bit for lenses and for me the answer to that is none. SLRs are not like video cameras with one fixed lens that does "everything". You should start out with a beginner lens like the kit lens (usually 18-55) and see what length you shoot at the most. When its time to upgrade, you will know what lengths you want to mainly shoot at. Say you always shoot at 18mm on the kit lens and your looking to get even wider, then when you get a new lens get a wide angle like the tokina 11-16 or maybe even a fisheye like the nikon 10.5. If you shoot at 55mm a lot on the kit lens and are always frustrated with how little zoom that is then get a far reaching zoom lens. It all depends on what you like to shoot. Lens companies try to market them, but there is really no "one size fits all" with lenses. The best thing for skiing or anything is to be prepared with as many lenses you need to achieve excellent shots in a particular day of shooting. Hope this helps
Jun 2 2010 10:06PM
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Cheryla
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I have bought  T2i grip +2xLP-E8,it spent me $72.49

http://www.linkdelight.com/Photography/Battery-Grip-for-Canon-EOS-550D/-Rebel-T2i-As-BG-E8-w/-2xLP-E8-R/flypage.tpl.html

Excellent battery grip! Though it is a copy of Canon original, but the quality i must to say is "very good", i can't make any difference
between the original and this one. Use it to make shooting vertical photos vastly easier and longer, love it.
Jun 2 2010 10:58PM
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Coalescent
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I disagree as well.  I paid 800 for my T2i with the kit lens which IMO is a great lens for video.  100 Bucks for the 50mm 1.8 lens.  = 900.  Plus my glidecam 1060.  Tripod + a tele 75-300 lens up to about 1400.  For what I need, this works perfectly.  and for much less than what I could've afforded with the 7D. 

Jun 3 2010 10:42AM
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[~_~]
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Truth. DSLRs without a proper rig are just plain shitty to use.
Jun 3 2010 12:40PM
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PBraunstein
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stating that you believe that the 18-55 is a good lens, already shows me that youre not that serious about your filming. dump the piece of shit, dont buy the next shittiest lens you can buy purchasing the $99 50.. look on ebay and find yourself a nice old piece of glass that will have an infinite better look then the cheapest canon 50 you can find.
Jun 3 2010 1:32PM
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Coalescent
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Stating that I said its good for video doesn't mean its not. Yes its a kit lens and yes it sucks in low light but in adequate light its good. The quality it produces is great when the light is right. For the price of the 50mm, the image quality is good. Not everyone has money to spend.
Jun 3 2010 2:35PM
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Low light capability isn't what defines a nice lens. Shoot a quality prime and then tell me the kit lens isn't garbage. I guarantee you can find a phenomenally better lens for the same price.
Hell, I even found a $20 prime that destroys that plastic piece of optical poo poo.
Jun 3 2010 2:42PM
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Jun 3 2010 2:49PM
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PBraunstein
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its not even good for video. like landis said, there are sooooo many AMAZING primes on ebay for less money than what you would spend on either of those plastic pieces of garbage.

case in point:

^^ this lens will outperform the canon 50 a million times over. i coped one of these lenses for 75 bucks, right now this one is at 35 with 3 days left. jump on it.
Jun 3 2010 2:59PM
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PBraunstein
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and just so you know, all you need is a cheap M42 adapter for this to work on any EOS mount. only downside to these lenses is the loss of your light meter. With some practice though, you will figure this out no problem.
Jun 3 2010 3:02PM
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TomasAa
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^^ Your setup isnt legit if you dont use cinema lenses!!!! haha, kidding
Going to shoot with Pl lenses this summer, mainly Cooke primes.
Jun 3 2010 3:14PM
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PBraunstein
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well jesus christ... i would kill for just one of those... funny seeing it with no rig or anything... just a PL mount and a baller cine...
Jun 3 2010 3:20PM
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1337
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want
Jun 3 2010 4:10PM
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Jun 3 2010 4:44PM
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MANDER
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Few questions. I am getting two lens.
1: 50mm f/1.8
2. Haven't decided yet. I have it between the:
Canon 10-22mm
Canon 17-40mm
Tokina 11-16mm

I like the 17-40mm because it is cheaper then the 10-22. It also has a bigger range. I also like the price of the 11-16 but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Any help?

Also, what is the difference between an imported lens and a USA lens? Imported are cheaper but does this mean they are worse quality?
Jun 3 2010 4:48PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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I would get the tokina (if you can find it) and if youre going the wide route
and as long as the imported lens is the same lens its not a loss of quality, unless it gets mangled in the process of shipping haha
Jun 3 2010 5:40PM
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No. NEVER believe the lies about USA products being superior. (this applies to more than just camera gear) In fact, the nicest glass in the world is made in Austria/Germany. Russia is known for its shitty knock-off products, but even they produce some gems.

This video was made with a t2i and a $20 Russian Helios 44-3. It's full of optical "flaws," but in the grande scheme of things, who decides what "flaws" really are? Case in point: the impressionistic and painterly bokeh.

Foliage from Mikko Kämäräinen on Vimeo.


Jun 3 2010 6:04PM
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[~_~]
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To get a Tokina 11-16, simply order it off Adorama. You will be placed on their waiting list, and they will ship it as soon as they are in stock. They don't charge your card until they've shipped it to your house, either. It took about a month for them to send one to me.
Jun 3 2010 6:07PM
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family_vacation
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I ended up getting the kit due to the availability problems, but I can't really imagine ever using this lens. It's really just a of plastic.

My old nikon primes feel sooooo much nicer. I'm just stuck waiting on the adapter.
Jun 3 2010 11:20PM
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1337
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so lucky mang. My next lens purchase is a 70-200 f4 L non is, then start to work on a collection of old primes
Jun 3 2010 11:24PM
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family_vacation
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ehh, the 24 is the only one I really think I'll use much. I don't see any use for a 135mm prime.


why on earth do you want such a telephoto lens for video?
Jun 3 2010 11:39PM
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1337
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for those long shots, like shooting pow from far away
Jun 3 2010 11:46PM
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TomasAa
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^^Yeah the canon 70-200 f4 is great for skifilms! Also the f4 is sharper and not so bulky as the f.2.8

Going to get one myself, prob non IS cause its allways mounted on a tripod anyway. hehe, I saw that you posted in my thread over at dvxuser!
Jun 4 2010 7:39AM
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1337
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haha that was your thread!
Jun 4 2010 8:19AM
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Chrris
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Personally, I think you need:
A rode mic.
A GOOD tripod that pivots well.
And a compact dolly.
Jun 4 2010 10:14AM
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family_vacation
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I think a dolly could come after the battery grip and other important stuff.

The tripod is essential though. Don't cheap out in that. I'm enjoying my manfrotto 701head alot.
Jun 5 2010 11:20AM
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Jun 5 2010 11:35AM
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twsnow22
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check yard sales too.... 5 glass lenses and a sportmatic for 15$... pretty excited about that. the quality of these lenses is not even comparable to the stock lens my camera came with.
Jun 5 2010 2:05PM
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1337
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what are they?
Jun 5 2010 3:01PM
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twsnow22
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macro takumar 1.4/100, super takumar 1:1.4/50, super takumar 1:1.8/55, kalimar auto-t wide 1:2.8/25
bushnell 1:4.5/90-23..i took the picture with the super takumar 1:1.4/50. but then compressed it to upload..thats why the quality sucks. but these lenses are really sick, take really shart pictures ( except the kalimar its kinda beat).  I would definatly recomend looking around and finding old lenses.. definatly worth it.
Jun 5 2010 3:30PM
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J-Evs
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i have two of my dads lenses from the 80's
one's a sigma and the other one is a canon i think
but idk how to connect to to the t2i, it doesnt seem to line up right
Jun 5 2010 4:03PM
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