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Canon 7D

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6God
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Lately I've been contemplating getting a new camera, and after seeing the image and video quality of the Canon 7D, that is probably my first choice. I have never had a DSLR of my own before, but my sister has Rebel T1i and my dad has the 50D and I am very comfortable using both these cameras. I know the price is fairly high for my first DSLR ($1700.00) which is why I'm contemplating getting the rebel T2i, but the 7D is definitely my camera of choice. So, for those of you who have or have used a 7D before, any advice or recommendations would be great.
May 4 2010 4:36PM
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Coalescent
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if your going for video, the t2i and 7d are almost the same.  photo wise the 7d is superior.
May 4 2010 4:38PM
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bob1233456
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I think you should anyone so we can make mad edits in France
May 4 2010 8:33PM
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6God
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Yeah for sure, I'm pretty set on getting it, I just wanted to know if I was making the right choice
Now i need to convince my parents to let me take 1700 out of my bank account
May 4 2010 8:50PM
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bob1233456
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haha, it actually be really fun to use it while trampolining in paris
hope you choose the one you want
May 4 2010 9:09PM
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kzrstf
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if you are planning on mostly filming, you should probably go with the t2i, from what i heard
May 4 2010 10:31PM
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assface
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my t2i is in the mail and gets to my house tomorrow!!! so ill update you then..
May 4 2010 10:33PM
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eheath
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Ha that sucks you have to convince your parents to let you spend your own money.
May 4 2010 11:44PM
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Pippin
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Meh, to play devil's advocate, theres a lot of kids that would throw away that kind of money on garbage, makes sense. All depends on the age i suppose.
May 5 2010 12:22AM
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PhilboydStudge
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Yeah I wish the t2i had the 8 fps the 7D has, then I would be all over it...
May 5 2010 1:32AM
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1337
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I have a t2i and its great for filming, but if you are going for photography think about the 7d only for its 8fps and other photography focused features. If you have any questions feel free to ask
May 5 2010 3:46AM
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Alkyy
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you can get as good of video on the 7d/t2i as you can on most prosumer level cameras if you set it up correctly.  From my 1 day of use with a t2i that was my only issue with it, the ease of use factor kinda sucks.  Dont get me wrong im sure you will be able to get used to it but i got frustrated with it (comming from an xh a1)
May 5 2010 9:57AM
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[~_~]
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They have equal video specifications, but the 7D is weather sealed and isn't as much of a pain to set up. I have no interest in shooting advanced photography and still went with the 7D because the button layout of the t2i makes no sense, imo.
May 5 2010 3:24PM
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6God
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Thanks for all the help +k to anyone who posted and gave advice. I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna get the 7D because photography is really something I would like to get into, and the T2i is apparently pretty confusing.
May 5 2010 4:14PM
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Blurst
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If you have no interest in advanced shooting why did you go with a dslr and not a strictly video camera?
May 5 2010 4:27PM
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[~_~]
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because I can't afford one that suits my needs.
May 5 2010 5:12PM
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Blurst
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oh I see, do you think that the 7d can compete with cameras like that?
May 5 2010 5:37PM
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eheath
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It's landis, he has a much different needs/wants of a camera than most people do.
May 5 2010 5:41PM
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[~_~]
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For one thing, the DSLRs are optically superior to any consumer video cameras on the market, so that alone is something to consider (although the p2 cameras have superior "brains"). Also, not only am I unable to afford a p2 camera, but I feel that the optical workflow of a DSLR will allow me to progress as a cinematographer much more than a hpx170 would, because I already have plenty of experience shooting it and utilizing its features and workflow.

For my style of shooting, I'd take a DSLR over a p2 camera any day, even though the p2 format is far superior.
May 5 2010 7:10PM
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[~_~]
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(referring to p2)
May 5 2010 7:14PM
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Blurst
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Thank you very much for that. I know that you make fantastic videos so things like this are nice to hear.
May 5 2010 7:59PM
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Aaaron.
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don't get a rebel.  truthfully, a rebel is a glorified point and shoot.  when it all comes down to it, it is a very consumer oriented camera..  the 7d is the better choice hands down, if you intend to progress your photography beyond a hobby level.

i own the T1i/500D.  out grew it in 3 months..  wish i had bought a 7d
May 5 2010 8:11PM
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Brock.
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so i guess this might be borderline thread-jack, but it involves the 7D...

I am currently in the process of buying a DSLR that shoots good video and have been looking at the t2i and the 7D (both being discussed in this thread). I would say i am pretty good with Cameras, i have been using my mothers D40 (nikon, and YES i know this camera is like the childrens toy of DSLRs) and know the all the features like the back of my hand.

SO, i guess my question is if the t2i's picture quality is dramatically different than the 7D's, because i just need to know if the extra $$$ is worth it for the 7D
May 5 2010 8:22PM
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Aaaron.
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i don't know how much you will notice the difference in quality as much as the difference in interface.
the 7D will be much much more indepth.  you will have tons more features available to you. 
if you intend to take your photography higher than a hobby, than go with the 7D.



May 5 2010 8:29PM
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Blurst
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If you are mainly shooting video, what what you say about the t2i
May 5 2010 10:38PM
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Dr.NS
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you're preaching on a subject you don't fully understand.
May 6 2010 12:54AM
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Aaaron.
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enlighten me..
i have had the T1i since christmas.  after spending just 20 minutes with a friends 7D i was bumming hard..  strictly speaking of photos.  i didn't spend any time playing with the 7d's video capacity.  it goes without saying that it will blow the t1i out of the water.
 


i don't want to come off as a know it all prick, but in the experience, the 7D can do a balls ton more than a t1i..

for instance, the t1i doesn't have a high speed drive mode, that means no sequences. 
also, the T1i's ISO maxes at 3200, compared to the 7d's, or ever t2i's 12800.

not to mention the auto focus on the 7d is completely nuts..


May 6 2010 11:38AM
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japollner
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As far as what you will get with the 7d over the t2i from a video based standpoint, there are a decent amount of differences.  Those saying the two are similar are completely off base.

The 7d's ISO sensitivity is amazing compared to the t2i.  While a DSLR is already on par with high end video cameras in light sensitivity, the 7d is the king of the night, rivaled only by the upcoming 1d mk4. 

Also, the 7d's settings are much easier to access with many more having dedicated buttons, vs. the t2i's horrible menu interface.  I played with a t2i in the store a few times to verify that I had made the right choice, and there is no comparison.  The 7d is awesome.

As if that wasn't enough, the build quality on both bodies is leaps and bounds apart.  The 7d when I first got it astounded be by how solid it felt.  Is it a little heavy to tour with?  Yea, but knowing that I can get rained on and it will still work is a comforting feeling.  The t2i is not weather sealed and feels pretty chintzy. 

Lastly, the 7d is super accepting of whatever you want to throw on it.  I dont know what the t2i will do, but chucking a Nikon manual prime on a 7d with only an adapter will still let you shoot auto and 8fps.  You just need to set your desired aperture, focus, and then fire away.  I don't know how the t2i would react.  The 7d reacts wonderfully though.

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May 6 2010 12:12PM
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TomasAa
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The ISO senitivity between then t2i and 7D is not that different. Ive done som tests with both cameras, and its hard to tell which is the best. But the real king of the night is the Nikon D3s! Also the noise nikon dslrs produce looks more organic to me, compared to Canon cameras. Check zacuto.com/shootout EP2

Other than that, I completely agree with you!
May 6 2010 12:42PM
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japollner
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I dont know...I have shot some footage at ISO 6400 on both and while similar, the 7d is a bit cleaner.  I don't know why, but it just is.

The Nikon to me is pretty sweet...but I still havent been impressed with the rolling shutter I am seeing.  I havent seen anything besides Vimeo, but I also haven't been looking.

In Nikon's defense.  Almost any Nikon manual prime (key word almost) is VASTLY superior to Canon's primes if you look at it from a bang for the buck point of view.  My entire video kit is made up of:

28 f3.5
35 f2
50 f2
85 f2
105 f2.5

I am also converting the mount on a Minolta MD 200 f4, but that will take a little while.

Since you have to focus manually most of the time with video anyway, might as well buy manual glass with superior optics.
May 6 2010 2:34PM
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1337
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I shoot nikon too on my t2i, no problems so far.
May 6 2010 3:16PM
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japollner
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So it does show up as f00 and adjusts shutter speed?  Cool, I was wondering about that.

So really, you are looking at a jump in build quality, still capability, and weather sealing.  FWIW, the t2i will fit better on a handle.
May 6 2010 3:19PM
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mak
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the t1i can still shoot sequence, it just depends on the situation. this is from an xsi, so almost the exact same drive speed:

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but I have to agree that the 7d will be far better for someone with moderate expirence or who learns quickly and is willing to put some time and effort in. the t2i is made to be a higher level beginner camera, whereas the 7d is a high prosumer, even pro is some instances, camera. but that's not to say that the t2i wont produced beautiful images in the right hands.
May 11 2010 7:55PM
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mak
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try this again

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May 11 2010 8:18PM
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