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pmills
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Apr 23 2010 7:36AM
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H8CH
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^win. Need a job?
May 6 2010 1:05PM
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geteducated
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i like how they put the flaps above the door and not below the door top opening. so if it does sink in the mud the top of the door will pinch the pipe before the flaps even have a chance to work.
May 6 2010 1:25PM
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miroz
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Bump. Ice crystals on the containment dome causing it to have to be removed and unplugged?
May 8 2010 5:08PM
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Peter.
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just read about that..not looking good. hopefully there's a plan B
May 8 2010 5:09PM
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feihlination
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hey H8CH, in an austrian newspaper, a columnist said that an automatic device which closes the pipe in any case of emergency is not mandatory in the US whereas they are in norway and other countries.

can you confirm that? or does this thing even exist?
May 8 2010 5:14PM
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Tasche
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A BOP is 100% mandatory, however I don't know what piece of shut off equipment they are referring to.

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Each extension houses a hydrolic ram. There are several different types of rams; pipe rams close around a specific pipe size, blind rams close where there is no pipe in the hole, and shear ram which will cut the pipe off and are used in emergencies.
May 9 2010 11:54AM
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sherwood4099
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ahhahahahahah +k
May 9 2010 12:32PM
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pmills
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an acoustic trigger
May 9 2010 1:52PM
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Rez4frederick
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Heh, man, its pretty obvious. Are humans able to safely travel under 1 mile of ocean water by themselves or in little mini submarines to actually work on this with robots? This kind of disaster needs attention right at the point of the problem. Not floating in a boat 1 mile above. Plus look how the plug thing failed, they forgot that its cold down there apparently. That is why I often have a problem with engineers is because they over think everything.

They would probably be better off just dropping a shit load of rocks and stuff on it.
May 9 2010 1:53PM
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vailsux.com
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Lolwut? porous dawg porous
May 9 2010 2:08PM
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H8CH
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That's a very small bop up there^ ... what we're talking about is taller then your house, and weighs around 450tonnes. 450,000 kg's! Yeah acoustic triggers are what you're talking about, but they're fairly unreliable in my oppinion, and those of many others. The shears never sheared because the 9" casing from downhole was ejected up through the bop by the force of the blowout, they're not designed to cut 9" casing. I cannot emphasize the pressures and dynamic loads here and the damage it could of done to the intervals of the bop- now bops are fucking bombproof so it must of been crazy crazy forces (which I know it was...) External hydrostatic pressure down there is like putting a family car on a postage stamp. Imagine how many postage stamps cover your body? Ok, so NO engineers did not forget about temperatures!! This isn't our first rodeo in deep water, there is also issues with hydrate precipitation (this is more of the 'icing' they talk about, because the general public would not understand hydrates and chemical injection etc. This kit was designed in 2 weeks, in ordinary design process terms, this would of taken about 3-5 years.... So they openly admitted it was going to be a challenge... And would take tweaking.... I just love how Bp say this, expect it, then when what they expected happens, the media calls it failure? They will get it working... Plus I know of several alternatives we've been working on at the same pace as this... It's a crap situation... But this happened off western austrailia last year, same thing, and it pissed oil like this for 3-4 months before they could kill it... They will kill this or limit it's damage quicker- there's more then 1000 engineers from around the world working on this right now, around the clock.... This is an Apollo 13 type of mission, thus the belt and braces approach with this coffer dam.
May 9 2010 3:11PM
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pmills
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May 9 2010 3:16PM
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OrangGrant
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dude your a fucking idiot. you clearly have no knowledge about anything in the oil industry besides what youve read on yahoo news. we have been offshore drilling for many many years and are pretty capable of doing a great job with it. the thing you have to remember is in the oil industry and especially in drilling, accidents will happen no matter what. it s a very dangerous game. when i worked on wells in north dakota it was one of the more dangerous things ive ever done. also you dont need to see anything when your drilling. its all about previous knowledge and engineering experience and they for damn sure didnt forget anything. try gaining a little more knowledge next time you try to criticize something you know nothing about.
May 9 2010 3:26PM
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H8CH
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That's a bit more like it!! Now everyone look at this picture - imagine the forces required to damage something like this beyond operation..... try to appreciate the layers of protection involved in this piece of equipment and the intricacy and engineering involved in what you are looking at here. A Subsea BOP rated to 15ksi isn't some small little valve like most of you probably have an image of in your heads.... this shit is huge, on a scale you do not see onshore. Now - i believe there may of been issues with some of the hydraulics, but whether that was due to a mistake made on setting, or damage caused by the blow out is totally unknown. These valves require so much force, they are not like normal spring fail safe close (some use bore pressure as well, known as stem ejection force assisted).... no these are more like rams, and shears.... so they need a positive hydraulic drive from a massive accumulator to shear. If you lose that hydraulic capability, then you can over ride them linearly or hydraulically by ROV. Anyway, by any means the BOP is knackered, but as you can see from the picture, there are many options for rerouting things and for getting in there and isolating this well another way. Finally, you can go in from the top, removing the Lower Riser Package and snubbing on a blind cap.... all these options are being worked around the clock. Just keep in mind how big and complex these things are.
May 9 2010 3:48PM
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feihlination
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dont take his statement head-on, just think a little more abstract. at least its what i do. idk if he meant it like that, but who cares..

who says that we are allowed to use this oil in the first place?

and your statement "accidents will happen no matter what" is also a little weird. its like with that volcano cloud. of course, planes could fly through that. no problem. but imagine ONE crash, 200 bodies. if its putting peoples lifes at risk, stop it. sadly we cannot stop when it comes to oil.





yeah, humanity is great, we made the earth our bitch and we can suck as much oil as we want without any consequences. nothing will ever happen. never ever.
May 9 2010 3:51PM
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biznass
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100509/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill
May 9 2010 5:52PM
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miroz
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I just read a great article in time magazine about the spill and how it will affect US energy policy.  Its in the May 17, 2010 issue, if any of you have the opportunity to, read it!
May 9 2010 10:20PM
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Rez4frederick
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Lol dude, I have worked in the seismic industry as a drill helper and surveyor for a year. I have seen what goes on. When was the last time you heard of a big accident on land? Right, you probably haven't, because these accidents are either small or they are quickly fixed because it is easy to do on land.
Accidents will happen no matter what? WTF? What is your definition of an accident? This is a F'ing catastrophe! This is not supposed to happen and BP even said this type of thing will NEVER happen prior to trying to drill this well. An accident is breaking a drill stem or someone breaking a bone or something on the job. Not a fucking gigantic explosion killing 12 people and causing a shit load of oil to spill into the ocean.

We have been offshore drilling for many many years? Didn't Obama just pass something to say it was now legal around the US just in like the last year? I have seen alot of people that work in the oil industry as well and believe me, they are not the cream of the crop. I do not think that just because someone is an engineer that they know fucking everything either.
May 9 2010 10:32PM
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pmills
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May 9 2010 10:47PM
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Tasche
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A lot of foolish statements. Must have learned a lot being a "seismic helper".
May 10 2010 1:33AM
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OrangGrant
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alright dude just cause it was a catastrophe, which i agree it was, doesnt mean it wasnt an accident. it was caused by unforseen circumstances. BP had everything in place the way they were supposed to for every forseeable occurance. just because it was re-legalized by obama doesnt mean oil companys have been doing it forever, remember it was only in the US that it was banned and for stupid reasons. i guarantee companys like BP dont put rigs out in the water unless everything is completely thought through by their best engineers and planned to a t.
May 10 2010 1:45AM
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pmills
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by the standard set by BP's lobbyists & financial department--not compared to other rigs & international standards
May 10 2010 7:06AM
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PacificRimJob
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May 10 2010 7:40AM
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pmills
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saw a headline that made me scratch my head:

U.S. Refuses International Help with Oil Spill Cleanup

..Uh what?


http://bigthink.com/ideas/19996
May 10 2010 1:57PM
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feihlination
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idk the reason for that, but it feels like the U.S. dont want to be the little kid who screams after his mum because he got a sore knee....
May 10 2010 2:20PM
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pmills
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i think it's more like a compound fracture than a skinned knee..
May 10 2010 2:44PM
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sk1er
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accepting aid for this would oblige us to help next time another country fucks up.
May 10 2010 3:36PM
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pmills
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uh what?

1. This crisis isn't the result of our 'country' fucking up
2.The US spent upwards of $28 b in 2009 on international aid
3. Figure 2 represents .2% of our GNI (gross national income)-- .5% short of what we, and most other nations agreed to provide, for international aid, back in 1970 at the UN General Assembly


*a happy socialist footnote -- Sweden and Norway offered the most Aid relative to GNI @ 1.12 and 1.06% respectively in 2009
May 10 2010 4:10PM
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sk1er
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.2% of the united states gni is more money than most un countries donate put together. So yeah to whatever point you're trying to make about that. All i was trying to say is if we start accepting money, for OUR countries fuck up, donors will only expect that we reciprocate. Which in my opinion inst something we need to do every time something goes wrong in the world.
May 10 2010 4:32PM
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feihlination
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hey dude, wake up, its fucking 2010. let me give you some updates. led zeppelin is done. their drummer died. john lennon was shot. in 2001 there was a massive terror attack in new york (with tons of legit questions about it being an inside job)


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the US act like the fucking world police and help fucking everywhere.


i am not an american and dislike a lot about the US foreign policies, but saying that the US arent spending/helping in international crises is not correct.
May 10 2010 4:42PM
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pmills
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it's true that we have given the most in raw dollar amounts -- but in terms of what we are capable of giving, we rank near the bottom of the list.

The point still stands -- we already offer up assistance whenever something goes wrong in the world, and we're not even contributing the amount of support we said we would 40 years ago.

In this circumstance it's as if the US is happy to punish BP -- who has the responsibility to clean up its mess. But along the same sentiments that you have, we're too nationalistically proud to accept a hand when we actually really need it (and in terms of need, I'm not talking about whether we can afford it or not, I mean the dire need to protect delicate ecosystems)

May 10 2010 4:44PM
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Mt_P0wDerJuNkIe
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Everytime you talk it just shows us how little you know.
May 10 2010 4:56PM
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sk1er
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I think these foreign countries aid money would be better spent in other parts of the world. I'm not trying to be nationalistic by saying we don't need it, but I can think of at least 10 places this offered money would be better off helping.
May 10 2010 5:16PM
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Rime.
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Allllllright, this just gets better and better!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/09/gulf.oil/?hpt=T2?hpt=C1


May 10 2010 8:23PM
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pmills
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and here's why you should read the link:

"These offers include experts in various aspects of oil spill impacts, research and technical expertise, booms, chemical oil dispersants, oil pumps, skimmers, and wildlife treatment,"
May 10 2010 10:08PM
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sk1er
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well put. I assumed the assistance was monetary.
May 11 2010 3:51AM
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geteducated
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if stuffing it with garbage doesn't work i think nuking it might be the next viable option.
May 11 2010 10:21AM
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PhaedeD
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obama set it up.
May 11 2010 10:22AM
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feihlination
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yeah i know, but what for
May 11 2010 10:43AM
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PhaedeD
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to help push for energy related bullshit. the first 2 boats to reach the oil rig after the explosion were full of the SWAT team.... why?
May 11 2010 12:53PM
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sheeby
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source, please?
May 11 2010 1:04PM
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geteducated
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because of a possible sabotage by terrorists?
May 11 2010 1:06PM
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PhaedeD
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the news
May 11 2010 1:19PM
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Campeador
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calm the fuck down, its not like we're talking about pristine Alaskan coast line.

We are talking about the cesspool known as the Gulf of Mexico, odds are it was just as shitty before the spill as its going to be after.
May 11 2010 1:22PM
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quixotic
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May 11 2010 1:23PM
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Tasche
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May 11 2010 1:57PM
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PacificRimJob
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Really now?

Tell that to the louisiana crawfish industry if this goes nuclear and invades the south louisiana coastline...

Oh, and if you want to know what could potentially happen to said coastline of the 'cesspool'? Just as Nigeria what happened to its swamplands and natural habitats along its southern coast, thanks to the awesome efforts of BP and Total? Oh yeah... thousands of acres of natural habitat destroyed... swamps that are so infatuated with oil, they cant drain out properly... contaminated water supplies... disease spread from sick animals,.. decimated botanical life... oh, and a completely uninhabitable landscape!

Yep... But the Gulf of Guinea is just a cesspool right?

May 11 2010 5:53PM
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Zump.
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thank you, now i don't have to do it
May 11 2010 6:34PM
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PhaedeD
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its also funny that if it took bush as long as it took obama to get to the gulf he would be lynched.
May 11 2010 9:59PM
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Dustin.
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Considering our way of life would absolutely collapse if those little satellites thousands of miles above us stopped working, I'd say your logic isn't that convincing.  And if you "have a problem with engineers" you're a fool.  They designed 99% of the things you use every day unless you literally live in a cave.
May 11 2010 10:32PM
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