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Russia is going to murder Chechnya

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Benson23
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Chechynian terrorists are suspected in the terror attacks this morning in russia, 38 people were killed by two female suicide bombers in the under ground metro. Putin promises that he will destroy those responsible.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/29/russia.subway.explosion/index.html?hpt=T2

Mar 29 2010 6:23PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Russia already has been killing Chechens.
Mar 29 2010 6:26PM
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An10a_Eng
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chechnya deserves it
Mar 29 2010 6:26PM
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fourhundred
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people need to find hobbies
Mar 29 2010 6:26PM
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fujarome
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their hobby happens to be fighting russians. It's really not that different than any other rebel group....just the Chechnyans are particularly fond of blowing up civilians in very public ways. And the russians are big fans of massive retaliation. its a never ending cycle.

putin should probably be watched though, as i wouldn't put it past that man to suit up and go to war with them himself.
Mar 29 2010 6:30PM
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sk1er
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some eastern bloc country is about to get pawned
Mar 29 2010 6:40PM
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gmack24
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Putin is going to massacre every last one of them.
Mar 29 2010 7:12PM
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factory81
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what rowen said
Mar 29 2010 7:15PM
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theabortionator
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Lets put the world on lockdown
Mar 29 2010 7:20PM
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Mr.Panda
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Haven't they been fighting for a couple decades now? With the captial of Grozny in Chechnya being basically leveled and it looks like Berlin RIGHT after WWII?
Mar 29 2010 7:23PM
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Mr.Panda
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My High School band looked sick in parades too, doesn't mean we can fight a good war.

Bad analogy but they have been fighting for over a decade and the Russians still can't put the Chechen rebels away.
Mar 29 2010 7:46PM
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triebby
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Mar 29 2010 7:47PM
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roor
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Another Afghanistan for the Russians?
Mar 29 2010 7:50PM
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Mr.Panda
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I would agree with that but it shows how fucking tenacious the Chechen rebels are to stick in there for this long.
Mar 29 2010 7:54PM
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cobra_commander
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the Chechnyan separatists have been fucking shit up for ~20 years. taking on russia might be foolish. But then again taking on the United States is even scarier, and the Taliban has been doing alright at that. And they grew up with out running water.
Mar 29 2010 7:59PM
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martin.
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My dad personally knows a Chechnyan Rebel. This guy is such a hard ass. Like 6 foot 5 and with hands like a bear.

Apparently he was with the group of terrorists that held up that movie theater in moscow a couple of years ago. After that he came to the US and chilled for a little bit. The russians then went to the village in Chechnya where the guy was from and took his brother in the night. The next day they tied the guy to a stake in the town square and ran him over with a tank because of suspected terrorist actions.

so what does the guy my dad knows do? Hops on a plan to russia, goes to chechnya, and murders the commander of the russian unit that killed his brother.



I am 100% not shitting you with that story. My dad told me and he would not lie to me.
Mar 29 2010 8:01PM
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Scott0_robot0
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thats what happens when you try to get your own country and use terrorism to try to do it, they have been trying for soooooo  long, but russia is just like fuck you chechnya
Mar 29 2010 8:06PM
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TheBigD
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the only chance Chechnya has is chief kremlin ideologist Vladislav Surkov was born in Chechnya and has somewhat of a soft-spot... and there's this thing called oil, one that Chechnya not only has but Russia has pipelines going through it. Wars with neighboring (and former parts of) Countries are not always quite so simple.
Mar 29 2010 8:21PM
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Benson23
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Anyone wanna start a countdown to Chechnya dooms day? im thinking  1-2 weeks until the westren world hears about another "georgia style invasion" chechnya is going to shoot machine guns and Russia is going to blast them with missiles and tanks. It's sad how heavy handed Russia's response to this attack is going to be.

Mar 29 2010 9:33PM
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fappy
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this sounds vaguely familiar...
Mar 29 2010 9:39PM
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Benson23
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hmmmm Russia vrs Georgia , Russia vrs Afghanistan , USA vrs Afghanistan , USA vrs Iraq...twice.

Our world is so fucked.

Mar 29 2010 9:40PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Not sad, just awesome.


Russia is poor as fuck, like beyond poor as fuck. They're still gonna go in, and rape the shit out of Chechnya beyond your wildest imagination. To use an parallel. It would be like Mandingo fucking a 5 year old girl in the ass without lube.


Vladimir Putin will put those guys in the dirt, he SERIOUSLY doesn't fuck around.
Mar 29 2010 9:42PM
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pmills
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really?
Mar 29 2010 9:43PM
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pomme-de-terre
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i have a friend from russia. hes fucking crazy. sometimes its awesome, but other times its like "holy shit what the fuck why!?"
Mar 29 2010 9:43PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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The reason they can't kill all the Chechnya rebelsis because they are rebels. They don't run around in uniform alerting the russian army of their presence. Same reason we can't just kill all the taliban. But I wouldn't put it past russia to just go in and slaughter them all. It would probably be done discretely though, like the whole country just happens to have wildfires or they all get sick and die or something.
Mar 29 2010 9:46PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Fuck, what people don't realize..is how scary Vladimir Putin is in real life. He was part of the fucking KGB.



You know how fucking sketchy that is? He's 5'5" and could whoop my ass left right and center.
Mar 29 2010 9:50PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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Exactly, I would be getting the fuck outta Chechnya if I lived there. Hopefully nothing bad happens here.
Mar 29 2010 9:51PM
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Benson23
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Genocide time?.... Shake Hands With The Putin will come out in a couple years if anyone understands that.

I am truley excited for the upcoming news though if anything comes out of this craziness.

Mar 29 2010 9:52PM
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vailsux.com
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a real gangster ass nigger dont flex nuts, cause a real gangster ass nigger knows he got 'em
Mar 29 2010 9:53PM
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skiierman
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russia is just as powerful as america. chechnya is in for a world of hurt... more than before that is. obama has created really good relationship with russia recently with the disarming of nuclear weapons so if russia wanted to destroy chechnya- especially after a terrorist attack, obama isn't going to stand in the way one bit.
Mar 29 2010 9:55PM
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Benson23
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cool story hansel, that is completely irrelevant to the topic.
Mar 29 2010 9:55PM
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vailsux.com
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it wasnt a story, i was commenting on the video gnartron posted because russia always struts their military around the street. America doesnt pull huge military parades. The words are from the song "damn it feels good to be a gangster"

do you see what i did there?
Mar 29 2010 10:01PM
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Benson23
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ahhh now i see what you did, i thought you were just popping in and referring to Chechnyan rebels as Gangster Niggas
Mar 29 2010 10:04PM
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oilmoney=Skiing
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Nope. Russians failed in Afghanistan due to extremely rough terrain and foreign military aid (US). If Russia decides in enter the Northern Caucus again and annihilate the Chechens, their fucked. Plain and simple. Chechen fighters implement guerrilla tactics and, for the most part, would be wiped out after several months. Sure the rebels could implement insurgency and wage a war against the Russians similar to that of Al Qaeda with the United States but with Russian proximity to Chechnya, once again, the Chechens are FUCKED. Russia has begun to introduce drones to their SOF and Airborne forces; therefore Chechen rebels are FUCKED. So much for the Chechen religion preaching peace and harmony with the world.


I'm no genius but my 60K tuition says I am....

Mar 29 2010 10:14PM
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vailsux.com
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lolwut?


Mar 29 2010 10:19PM
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Benson23
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this, everyone does have their opinion though. Anyone watch the news today if anythings going on?
Mar 30 2010 9:35AM
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Twinjibber77
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BASICALLY: All i got out of this is that we need to have Military parades like Russia and march around to either "Damn it feels good to be a gangster" or "Dragula" by Rob Zombie
Mar 30 2010 10:04AM
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sk1er
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There are no winners in war but the US has faired far better in wars than any other country.
Mar 30 2010 11:11AM
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fujarome
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debatable....the US doesn't have nearly the military history of many countries, that were fighting hundreds of years before the US was even founded.
Mar 30 2010 11:22AM
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*TURBONERD*
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lolwat
Mar 30 2010 12:06PM
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skiierman
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wrong. there are winners in war. the ones who make insane profit off them which is usually us. so yea, we win every war.
Mar 30 2010 12:48PM
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Phormat
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The problem with fighting guerilla warfare with a conventional army is the fact that things are not cut and dry. I mean the US has had to adapt so much just to combat insurgency and the truth of the matter is that the only way to solve the problem permanently is to level the entire place. This solution isn't of course very PC, so the US can't get away with it. But given that Russia is so secluded, and much of what goes on over there never reaches us, they may be able to pull it off. Russians probably don't wait to get shot at before they act which is a plus when dealing with a disguised enemy. The problem then becomes shooting innocent civilians and the actual rebels. Its a vicious cycle: Russia comes in, kills a bunch of people, the relatives and friends of those killed kill Russians, Russia comes in.....
Mar 30 2010 1:00PM
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kdyce
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The only major wars in US history (aside from the revolutionary war, which was won with the aid of the french) that you can say the Us faired far better than any other country are those wars in which they came in late. WWI and WWII they came in late into the war, and the war wasnt being fought on their soil so of course they will be better off.

Again, debateable but I can think of other countries that have a much better military record.
Mar 30 2010 1:01PM
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skithebert
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how bout war of 1812. Mexican-American war. Indian wars.

War has changed in the nuclear age. There will be no more large scale conventional wars. They will be either guerilla/insurgencies or limited scale wars thru proxy countries.
Mar 30 2010 1:06PM
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kdyce
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If you are trying to say you faired well in the war of 1812 then you have not had a proper education. Look at it this way. You tried to invade Upper Canada. You had some successes, pushed the British back a bi, but the British also took US territory. You burned York, the Brits burned the White house. In the end the borders were returned to almost exactly what they were prior to 1812.

US was the agressor, tried to takeover Upper Canada. In the end, almost no territory was won or lost.
That does not wound like a win at all, in fact it sounds like a loss.
Mar 30 2010 1:21PM
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Benson23
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without native american and british help we most definatly would of been slain by the americans. that war was hard to define who won/lost very hard.
Mar 30 2010 3:18PM
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sk1er
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Why dont you list some then? The wars the United States has fought in have had much more global significance and relevance then wars fought 300 years ago with swords and spears.
Mar 30 2010 3:28PM
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omIV
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1) your 60k tuition? what does that even mean?

2) you're wrong.  I've studied guerrilla warfare and counterinsurgency (COIN) extensively; I can say with absolute certainty that the soviets would have failed in Afghanistan if the fighters there recieved zero dollars of US aid.  I'm sure you've seen Charlie Wilson's War.  Go ahead and forget everything you learned there.  Sure, the mujahideen wouldn't have been able to shoot down the soviets' helicopters, but you can't hold territory from the air.  For a relevant example, see Vietnam. 

The only way to effectively wage COIN is to separate populations from insurgents, both physically and ideologically.  The new Army/Marines COIN Manual reflects this, Gen. McChrystal's Commander's Initial Assessment for Afghanistan reflects this; in 1934, Maj. Stanley Utley of the USMC said this in an article in the Marine Corps Gazette.  You must wage an indirect war; direct strategy and tactics are at best useless, and more often counterproductive.

The Russians, however, countered asymmetrical tactics and strategy with a conventional combat-centric approach.  They attempted to kill as many insurgents as they could; this does not work.  You cannot kill them all.  They know their country far better than you do.  They can hide in places you can't find.  That includes in plain sight; they can melt away into the general population if necessary. 

I've written extensively on the topic.  I've linked to two papers I've written that pertain to this topic:

Unconventional Enemy; Unconventional Approach: An analysis of direct- and indirect- counterinsurgency in Malaya, Kenya, and Vietnam

A perspective on the historical development of counterinsurgency population management
theory and the relative reliance on force and influence
Mar 30 2010 4:30PM
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geteducated
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sucks for russia.  maybe they should get used to terrorism, since after all they are supplying most of the nuclear materials/technology to a country that sponsors terrorism.  oh the irony.
Mar 30 2010 5:07PM
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vailsux.com
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ok educate me. Please compare russian lives lost in WWI to U.S. lives lost. Then Compare Solviet lives lost in WW2 to U.S. lives lost. After that compare both our afghan struggles. Once your done with that please review our civil war and be thankful we only had one.

 i wasnt trying to make a point, i was being patriotic. America fucking rules, please message your sore asshole and relax.

Do you know who i am? Do you know how much education i have received and in what fields?

I wasnt trying to start a fight, because word on the street is real gangser ass niggers dont start fights.


Mar 30 2010 9:39PM
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rYb
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Its all so Russia can continue to use oil/ gas as their power. Same thing with why they want control of Georgia too.
Mar 30 2010 9:47PM
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