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Benefits to rocker skis in park

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dubes720
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theres plenty of threads on rockered skis and everyone seems to praise them for pow but alot of threads contradict each other when it comes to how they perform in the park. im thinking about trying a pair out for next season to see what the hype is all about. i ride majority of the time park and love to just butter around and pop and spin off everything i can. i just wanna hear some input from people who have rode rocker skis in the park and how they are for both rails and spinning bigger jumps.

i personally think they would absolutely slay for spinning on/off rails and switchs ups n all that, but what about popping that big jump or carving into a cork? any comments appreciated thanks
Mar 15 2010 1:17AM
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Backyard.Skier
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they are good for rails becuase they are really poppy and buttery but you would need to buy them a bit larger because of the rocker.
Mar 15 2010 1:40AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Easier to afterbang.
Mar 15 2010 2:06AM
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Ftacnik
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I would like to know more about this as well
Mar 15 2010 3:15AM
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Evilchris
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I belive a bunch of companies make rockered snowboards for the park. I want to see where this thread goes.
Mar 15 2010 8:42AM
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B.Pol
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Threads for answers.
Mar 15 2010 8:43AM
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Deviate
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I wouldn't mind some more info either, looks like rockered skis are the next thing in park skiing. I'm guessing since you have a reduced area of the ski which is in contact with snow makes it easier to spin off jumps, do butters and rails.
Mar 15 2010 9:20AM
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10...nuffsaid
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was riding on a pair of salomon shoguns couple of days ago and was shreddin the gnar gnar like crazy. first time on rocker and loved it. so much pop and cushin. i could land somehting dead flat and not even feel it. also did a couple of runs through the park and also loved it.had quite good control on rails surprisingly and had so much pop of jumps. these skis aren't even built for the park and preformed incredibly well.
Mar 15 2010 9:45AM
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BlueSteele
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People really say they have more control on rails with rockered skis?  You can't tell a difference, only the 3 inches in contact under foot do anything.  It's all about jumps with rockered skis.  I could take a race ski on rails and slide just as well as anything else.
Mar 15 2010 9:58AM
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BWalmer
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Lowers swing weight, helps prevent catching an edge on butters and presses, and shortens the amount of base that touches the snow, allowing for a longer ski with the shorter ski feel.
Mar 15 2010 10:55AM
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andrew.
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disadvantages:
significantly less pop
harder to initiate and maintain carves on hardpack
easier to wash out if you land slightly off center

honestly, dont buy a rocker park ski just because thats what all the big companies are making.  test your skis out, research them, and make sure its what you want out of a ski.  on a personal note, i think rockered (well, more like the new zero camber ones but rocker kinda fits in here too) skis dont belong in the park, but thats just me.
Mar 15 2010 11:23AM
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Balto
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you've never skied on3p blue steeles then
Mar 15 2010 11:55AM
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grambo
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You look cool
Mar 15 2010 12:07PM
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leahey
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Kind of wierd, but actually just as good.
Mar 15 2010 1:42PM
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andrew.
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youre right, i havent.  i know there are rockered skis that have a good amount of pop, but adding rocker to a ski will take away from its snappy-ness. 
Mar 15 2010 4:24PM
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ice_mike
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i demo the new 2012's from salomon and loved them but since i was demoing them i couldnt hit rails and the jumps at my home mtn are very small
Mar 15 2010 4:32PM
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pigglywiggly
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i disagree, if it has camber underfoot with rocker, it wont loss any, or a very small amount of pop.
Mar 15 2010 4:32PM
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jibjunkie
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little to no pop
difficult to land big jumps
unstable on groomers

Mar 15 2010 4:43PM
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BcPowderHunter
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says the guy who has most likely never been on a rockered ski let alone a rockered park ski.
Mar 15 2010 5:28PM
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K_FRANK
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it really kinda depends on your individual riding style i chose a rockerd park ski and personally i fell that i have made an amazing choice its alot harder to catch tips and so fun to just butter and pop around. just reasearch your skis or look at them in a shop if possible and caompare how the ski is meant to ride to how you want to ride
Mar 15 2010 5:37PM
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Slinger1x1
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GHHHHHHHH

we need to make a sticky thread about rocker and reverse camber and early rise.

see everyone talking about rocker that is saying it has no pop, no stability, and no carvability is thinking of reverse camber.
now early rise in the tip and tail (what i call rocker) is what this kid is most likely talking about. its normal camber, but the tip and tail raise farther back on the ski than a normal ski would
Mar 15 2010 5:50PM
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dubes720
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yah not reverse camber..but early rised tips n tails with camber underfoot (rocker) park skis. i think im gonna just see if i can demo a pair or borrow someones for a day. best way to find out. lovin where this threads headin tho haha
Mar 15 2010 7:37PM
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jibjunkie
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except that k2's whole lineup for park next year is pretty much all flat underfoot with rocker in tip and tail which would have no pop and imo be a worse carving ski than a standard camber ski
Mar 15 2010 8:19PM
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TheGreen
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Yeah I don't get why they're making their rockered park skis (and even snowboards) flat underfoot... Just early rise is way better IMO
Mar 15 2010 8:52PM
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A.Eberhard
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The guys I see who have extremely rockered ski's seem to be amazing at rails, could this be a relation in any way or are the just amazing at rails in general no matter what ski they put on.
Mar 15 2010 9:32PM
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10...nuffsaid
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you really have no idea what your talking about do you? have you ever rid a pair of reverse camber skis in teh park. biggest pop i've ever had. EVER     and the best landing too. so soft
Mar 15 2010 11:34PM
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chazz.
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please explain how slightly bending the tips/tails of a ski up somehow lowers the weight/swing weight of the ski, its still the same ski and still weighs the same
Mar 16 2010 12:00AM
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Blurst
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The swing weight is not the actual weight of a ski it is how the weight is distributed on the ski. A rocker skis weight is in different places than a normal ski.

Also whoever said that it is hard to land big jumps with rockered skis is not smart. I have found my alpha 2s incredibly stable so far.
Mar 16 2010 12:07AM
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skia4life89
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rocker skis with camber underfoot are just more fun plain and simple.  they are soo playful and flexy, it makes it soo much fun to ride on.  For example, My friend has a pair of obsetheds here in North Carolina and all we do is ride park. no pow, no trees, hardly groomers, just park, and they f****** rip.  kill on rails and jumps, and butter like land o lakes. haha but seriously they do.
to me reg park skis are kind of boring, and the rocker and widness brings life to the ski. it all depends on who you are, and your riding style, but in my opinion rocker is the way to go.

































Mar 16 2010 12:32AM
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jca
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Have any of you saying that rockered skis dont have any pop ever ridden a rockered ski? or is this just purely speculation?

I havent noticed any lack of pop riding Hellbents in the park... wow, imagine that, they dont even have camber.../

Let's GO from Nathan Rose on Vimeo.

Mar 16 2010 12:33AM
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RudyGarmisch
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The misinformation in this thread is astonishing.
Mar 16 2010 12:42AM
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jca
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No, in a rockered ski the swing weight is the same.  In a tapered ski, like your alpha 2s, there is much less swing weight.
Mar 16 2010 1:03AM
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PacificRimJob
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you're tellin me...
Mar 16 2010 2:26PM
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dubes720
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it seems like the best way to tell about everything is to just man up and try a pair. i am definitely demoing a pair at the least, potentially gonna buy some for next seas. they look like u can have more fun buttering around and just havin fun. im considering k2s domains, moment renos or last years k2 dissorderlys if i dont go with rocker.  
Mar 16 2010 3:49PM
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SimenJoJo
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I think they are more forgiving on jumps to, you don't need to land perfect to set the trick nice..
Mar 16 2010 3:57PM
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ski_DC
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i wonder how many people in this thread have ever actually ridden a rockered ski in the park, especially on any features bigger than 20 ft. rockered skis are really fun in the park, but are not necessarily fit for the task. Butters are easier, yes, and in general, you can do more "fun" things with ease, such as noseblocks, presses hand drags, and so forth. As far as being "more forgiving" on jumps, this is simply not true. Yes, you may be able to spectacularly save yourself from a near death experience after landing backseat, but this does not make them more forgiving, since that noodling out would not have occurred on a stiffer, standard cambered ski. I ride my EPs in the park regularly, and only because I enjoy it more. Its an entirely new way of skiing park. Were I on my park skis, I could certainly spin more, get more tech on rails, and have a more stable landing platform, but the softness and width of the EPs, along with their generous rocker is so much more fun to ride park with, in the purest sense. Trying to compare a park ski to a rockered ski, particularly a ski such as the EP is a square peg/round hole situation.The two are not directly comparable, as they are intended for different uses. Rockered skis in the park are really fun, but dont necessarily think that you will have the same or even a similar experience riding them.  Also, not all rockered skis are the same. Rockered skis can range from super stiff (Moment Garbones) to super soft, (EPs). You cant expect to find a definitive answer when there is so much variety of rockered skis. It really boils down to what you want out of the ski, not what its intended use is
Mar 16 2010 4:55PM
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Chompo.
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Sort of trying to figure this thread out. I'm confused
Mar 16 2010 10:05PM
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K_FRANK
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i HIGHLY reccomend the reno rockers such a fun ski poppy and super light. ive hit jumps up to 40 feet with them and they held up decently but by no means would buy this ski for jumps but i love them they have changed my outlook on whats possible in park skiing
Mar 17 2010 1:49AM
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wintersway
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my threads for (hopefully) good information on this issue.. all i know is that i want to try something with early rise in the tip and tail with either flat or regular camber under foot for my next skis
Mar 17 2010 1:59AM
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dubes720
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yah i been researchin um a lil bit they sound DIRTY i cant wait haha
Mar 18 2010 3:02PM
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minibus4
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I think alot of this info is based on people using thier powder skis in the park with a wide waist and the guy wants to know about jus using a park specific park rocker ski which would be different then using wide ass podwer planks. I use my Surface live life 2's (112 at the waist) in the park and i love them and i can land stuff okay but not the greatest with them. I think if there was a park specific ski that it would have to be really stiff in the nose and tail in order to handel landings better.
Mar 18 2010 7:03PM
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dubes720
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in regards to that im still between those 3 skis, k2 domains, moment rockers or last years k2 dissorderlys..theres too much confusion to decide. i want somethin that will rip, is super light, fairly flexy and playfull, but will hold up no problem as i am very rough on my skis in means of trying to progress to newer tricks..but at the same time to describe my riding style, i mostly just jib around have fun but love to throw down on 20-30 foot jumps mostly..biggest i go is 50ft mostly on good days. what u boys suggest?
Mar 19 2010 11:12PM
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RudyGarmisch
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All of your choices plus the ON3P Blue Steele.

Seriously though, every park ski needs to be durable, flexible and stand up to big and small jumps. You have to specify your riding style more if you seriously want a good recommendation for a ski that best suits you.
Mar 19 2010 11:37PM
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G-stav
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It will make it easier to spin, and when you do spins of kickers specially switch stuu a lot of ppl have the tendency i using twin tips to spin a bit 2 early and the twin touches the tip of the kicker and ur fucked (catching an edge) I think those r the major reasons they make rockers. but i honestlly dnt feel a difference at all on rails when I use my friends rockered alpha 1's
Mar 20 2010 10:35AM
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dubes720
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thanks for the advice boys. im pretty sure i know what im looking for in my next ski. i dunno if this helps any more either but im used to sking some 07 rossignol scratch fs wrs. id say theyre generally pretty light but my bindings are heavy as hell. can anyone compare the stiffness/ lightness of either the moment rockers or k2 dissorderlys to those and ill have my final answer lol..thanks everyone
Mar 20 2010 4:06PM
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