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I have given up on Rodeos, unless you can help?

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Barmski
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After seven years of trying to get my body to rotate on a sideways axis, I have come to terms with the fact that I cannot do it. Two major problems : learned underflips first long ago so when I try to actually "rotate" the trick to land switch, I look down not up and underflip/ cork it, and the second problem is that I have tried so many times, my body has repeated the same exact motions.

However.......when i was at Woodward I mastered a rodeo 5 perfectly, that is my only hope, but for some godam reason I cannot get myself to "look up" and over when it comes to doing it on snow. I have tried : dropping my right shoulder hard,  throwing my right shoulder forward, and just doin normal lincolns, but for the life of me I cannot get the motion on snow.....i am pretty sure its just mental block I will have to live with.....anyone share a similar story? Should I move on and just work on stomping underflips or just don't give up and learn this shit?
Mar 5 2010 2:17PM
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powninja
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The trick for me was do a backie with a japan grab and you should feel like you want to spin some because one shoulder is lower than the other and once you feel that then just let it spin you around switch.
Mar 5 2010 2:32PM
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griz_lee
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i had the exact same problem and it took forever to figure out how to rodeo. doing a japan fixed it for me it puts your shoulders in the right position and keeps your head looking for the landing.
Mar 5 2010 2:37PM
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nickmiles
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i was in the same boat. do backflips, then backy japan. then learn flat 3's. once you can do flat 3's, you just go to 5. sorry for the short answer, but thats how i learned em
Mar 5 2010 3:03PM
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deleted5
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i still only do underflips
Mar 5 2010 3:09PM
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Barmski
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interesting......well maybe there is hope then, I will take everyones common advice so far and try back japans, even though i have done those before but I didnt do them with the intention of learning rodeos, thanks!
Mar 5 2010 4:00PM
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fratskier69
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if you spin left, try to shoulder check the midget in front of you with youre right shoulder
Mar 5 2010 4:07PM
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ashamedkrew
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same exact problem. i wanna do rodeos sooooooo bad but no matter what i end up going cork or underflip. threads to finally try to figure out how to do it
Mar 5 2010 4:15PM
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Apresbang
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Buy fulltilts.
Mar 5 2010 6:14PM
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m_nova
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Might Help

Mar 5 2010 9:08PM
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m_nova
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heres the link to how to do a rodeo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RHJRH5Ql7U

this might help

Mar 5 2010 9:09PM
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seabass.
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sean you got a mist 7 which are sick, talk to colton

Mar 5 2010 9:12PM
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Drail
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it's funny... I've never actually fallen on a rodeo 540. i've literally got a 100% landing record.



misty 5's on the other hand - I have a 100% failure record.


I've done so many rodeos off of cliffs/diving boards that when it came time for me to take it to snow, i never even had to think about it. maybe you should just do more into water?
Mar 5 2010 9:18PM
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Jules.
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b ump

Mar 5 2010 9:23PM
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VT_scratch
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hwlpful vid, ima try them tomorrow! il post footy..

+K
Mar 5 2010 9:28PM
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m_nova
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word glad i could help....cant wait for the footy
Mar 5 2010 10:37PM
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willy_baller
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that sounds like a misty... try the japan backy
Mar 5 2010 11:40PM
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Barmski
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I tell you what guys, ive been getting a lot of good advice that seems to very common and i think it should work. All of you guys that have the same problem as me- keep this in your threads and post a pic or video if you get. I know that I will because if I actually do get it, I will "flip" out. Thanks again for the advice guys.
Mar 6 2010 12:42AM
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DutchhGutss
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Seems Rodeo's are wayy easier then misty's, I have a problem lookin' up too on the snow I guess I gotta sack up..
Mar 6 2010 9:51AM
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yourthemannowdog
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dude that helps SO MUCH +K and favorited
Mar 6 2010 12:47PM
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SlickRick.
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your thinking aobut it the wrong way. its not trying to spin on a sideways axis. thats not even how you do flatspins. flatspins are backflips with a dropped shoulder, not actually setting a spin flat.

come into the jump straight on, no carving, with a wide stance. get a SOLID pop. take your right arm from your hip to your left shoulder in a "thats swell" type of motion. turn your upper body over so that your chest is faciing the sky. at this point go and grab a right hand japan to help the rotation, and turn your head to spot the landing. the last 270 basically unfolds itself as long as you have your landing spotted. stomp it at a solid 540, and ride awayyy. i cant do backflips, but i can do these. and i always go bigger and faster on them then any other trick, because they look sick big, and are sooooo much easier when you have a lot of time in the air.

Mar 6 2010 1:01PM
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VT_scratch
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tried them today, couldnt quite get to my feet, il post up a video later tonight!
Mar 6 2010 6:00PM
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VT_scratch
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ok premiere will not run on my computer anymore... but here's the raw footy. 3 attempts at jay peak. we were too lazy to go to the big park so I tried on mini jumps haha

attempt1:

rodeo 1 attempt from Max on Vimeo.




attempt 2:

2nd rodeo attempt from Max on Vimeo.



attempt 3:

3rd rodeo attempt from Max on Vimeo.





any tips?!
Mar 7 2010 9:32PM
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RyanDiMatteo
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maybe a bigger jump!!!

Mar 7 2010 9:41PM
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VT_scratch
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yaa im gonna hit some big jumps this weekend i was just too lazy to head over to the big park at the end of the day haha
Mar 7 2010 9:46PM
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mason-
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i dont really know how to do rodeos, but it seemed like you got the full rotation down, you just didnt have enough time to whip your feet back around
Mar 7 2010 9:48PM
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The_Cube
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i just learned them today, u have to do this, so you dont really spin sideways like a Lincoln loop like some people say, try to do a 90 degree turn and a backflip at the same time. good luck
Mar 7 2010 9:50PM
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PhilboydStudge
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I have the same problem, and do it more underflippy than rodeo. But I realized its because I drop my left shoulder near the beginning of the rotation (for leftside rodeo). Instead, try to focus on dropping your right shoulder. Also, even though it's scarier, if you can sack up doing it on a bigger jump is easier.
Mar 7 2010 9:54PM
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icon1234
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I dont think your dropping your right shoulder forward enough,
Mar 7 2010 9:55PM
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VT_scratch
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Thanks guys- bump
Mar 7 2010 11:12PM
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MANDER
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Im going to try them on tuesday or wednesday I hope. Also want to try mistys. Any tips? Videos will be included.
Mar 7 2010 11:19PM
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ike.
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what helps me think of it is that there is someone you hate has their face right infront of you. you punch them hard and will probs set it good. grabbing japan or safety helps me alot too. try it off of a superkicky lip like a half pipe ur the edge of a querter pipe. get em down as good as you can on tramps, and before you drop in, repeat how you will set the trick over and over.
Mar 8 2010 12:00AM
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gigi.d
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I landed my first rodeo today/claim. So stoked!
Mar 8 2010 12:32AM
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j-pickle
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set it more like a spin...
Mar 8 2010 12:32AM
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mastaj55555
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yeah man, set it more like a spin... open up ur left shoulder and picture yourself kinda sitting down at 180 with the bottoms of ur ski's facing up the hill (if ur grab critical this might make more sense to you, plus i think it's the easiest grab for rodeos), but make sure to keep ur left shoulder open so you continue the spin and can spot your landing mad early (have ur head follow that left shoulder)... then stomp it bro

Mar 8 2010 2:26AM
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J_Haabemaaster
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Mar 8 2010 2:43AM
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casual
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On the third attempt it looked like if you would have just looked uphill towards the takeoff, that you would have stomped.

It just looks like you're not spotting your landing. As if you aren't fully mentally committing. You're ridiculously close man, keep working! Post the vid when you land it.
Mar 8 2010 3:01AM
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ike.
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hahaha
Mar 8 2010 3:12AM
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Dustin.
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First off, rodeos get exponentially easier on bigger jumps.  If you can find one around 20 feet that would be perfect to learn on.  You have the spin down pretty close to where you need to be, at this point it just takes some practice.  It helped me a lot to grab safety and look at my skis, and then at about 180 start spotting my landing.
Mar 8 2010 10:13AM
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Su[G]ar
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http://www.skifilm.no/tv.php?id=383&channel=18

andreas håtveit learns you how to do a rodeo 5
Mar 8 2010 10:18AM
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Dustin.
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That's the only trick tip of his I don't like.  I think it's so much easier and less scary to just go for it.
Mar 8 2010 10:46AM
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Rez4frederick
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Rofl, do NOT listen to this guy.

Yea instead of having a legit plan in your head about how to do this trick from a PROFESSIONAL skier who lands just about everything he does and who gives you advice on how he does it, instead just HUCK IT BRO!

that is how people get hurt badly....
Mar 8 2010 7:12PM
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Ftacnik
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Mar 8 2010 7:13PM
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ScuffDUFF
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ehh i pretty much huck every new trick i learn.  Ive been ok. 
Mar 8 2010 7:24PM
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m_nova
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dude you had it!! just dont open up that early and swing your feet in
Mar 8 2010 9:59PM
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SlickRick.
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your thinking backflip way too much, and not leading with your upper body. your swinging it with your hips and legs. pause the second one at :23... your right arm/shoulder never leads the rotation. its just hanging there. that shoulder should be setting the rotation. thats why your not getting the full thing. that shoulder isholding your back. dont try to spin/flips with just your hips!
Mar 8 2010 10:37PM
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p_n
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haha ya you definately just gotta go for it, who gives a dump if you fall cuz thats how you learn tricks is by actually DOING them.
Mar 8 2010 10:56PM
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Dustin.
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Ya, I definitely didn't say just huck it but thanks anyway.

It's harder for a lot of people to learn them the way Andreas did, and obviously they didn't come naturally to him because it took him 50+ attempts.  They came naturally to me, landed number 3.  My friend Beau took many more attempts and a lot of trampoline work to get them.  Corks do not feel natural to me at all.  More ways to try a trick is a good thing.

If you can do rodeos on tramps and such, you will probably land the first or second one on snow.  It's a low risk trick anyway on small jumps like that.

Mar 9 2010 3:34AM
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VT_scratch
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ThAnks guys! Il update ya this weekend!
Mar 9 2010 7:18AM
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