Heres the deal i have these spk pros i got new at the start of last season i only rode them 40 or so times because i was hurt, i got a new pair of pros this summer,i used my old liner in the new ones and put the other liner in these ones no big deal i just liked how my other liner was broke in. I have a set of new toe and heel plates on these now. make an offer located in summit co if you want to try on in person