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Ep pros vs jjs

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willy_baller
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I demo'd the JJ's yesterday and it was a crazy pow day... they were awesome and i loved them but i was riding with this guy that had ep pros on and they looked like a ton of fun... which one would be better for pow days and still be able to bust through crud?

Feb 21 2010 7:46PM
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Ftacnik
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Would like some more info on this as well
Feb 21 2010 10:54PM
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B-runge
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havent skied jj's

but two different skis that would ski completely different i would imagine based off my ep pro usage
Feb 21 2010 10:58PM
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mattdayro
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jjs are surprisingly good in crud, where as ep pros are much more pow spesific
Feb 21 2010 11:22PM
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.jesus.
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not really arg's are fully rockered and jjs are reverse cambered with a little camber between that probably didn't make much sense im really tired right meow 
Feb 21 2010 11:55PM
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ski_DC
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jjs are much less powder specific than the arg.
as for how they compare to eps, they will be fairly different skis. the jjs will be really versatile and fun on everything. eps will be softer and more playful/surfy, but dont underestimate them in variable conditions. i have a pair and love them on everything. they slay everywhere, are surprisingly good on hardpack, and super fun in park. you can really use the soft flex to manipulate the ski to different turn styles which is really fun. they are pretty much my everyday ski and i do most of my skiing in maine, for what thats worth. id buy another pair in a heartbeat.
Feb 21 2010 11:57PM
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willy_baller
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Thanks to everyone and to the last guy that posted- how are they in the crud? Is it impossible to land a big cliff that's pretty tracked out because of the softness?
Feb 22 2010 11:27PM
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B-runge
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ep's stomp a 25 footer like its a 3, literally
Feb 22 2010 11:29PM
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willy_baller
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So right now it's sounding like the eps will be way more fun to play around on, will float better in pow, and will be a little tougher to bust through crud on... And the jjs will go through anything but u can't really butter at all... Right now the eps are sounding better
Feb 22 2010 11:37PM
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B-runge
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im sure you could butter on jj's
but ep's will for sure be more "fun" in certain conditions
its best to have a quiver when you got ep's imo
Feb 22 2010 11:56PM
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DBAKE
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If you plann on getting EPs, then untouched or soft pow is a must, in a bit of chopped up snow EPs are like rideing a mechanical bull, im tradeing for jjs cause they can charge a bit more.
Feb 23 2010 12:10AM
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B-runge
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hey man i cam up with that description!^
Feb 23 2010 12:22AM
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DBAKE
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thanks and im useing it ahahh!!, no but really cant get any closer really and sending clifts with them onto some hard snow= a no no. But dont get me wrong there fun as hell, more pics are on my profile if you feel the need.

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Feb 23 2010 12:31AM
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B-runge
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i respectfully disagree derrick
i did a 180 off like a 20 to basically flat into like 3-4 inches ontop of hard snow and they werent bad at all

i think if your a confident skier you can tame these noodles to ski wherever and however you want
Feb 23 2010 1:06AM
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Alkyy
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yeah, but why have to work to tame the ski when a different ski can help tame the terrain for you?  I have never had either but for something to bust crud and still be fun in the pow it seems like the JJ would be the better ski.  I sure would love to get the eps in some epic deep trees though
Feb 23 2010 10:08AM
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Twig
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Because EPs better than JJs in the deep by as much as the JJs are better in the mixed snow. Its not as if JJs are a stiff crud buster either..
Feb 23 2010 11:09AM
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Balto
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derrick is a very confident skier, just the last times he rode them antone would have had an issue. i sold mine for the exact reason. they are amazing in deep untouched but blow in crud
Feb 23 2010 11:28AM
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Twig
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I've been meaning to ask, why no pow jib ski in your new quiver? Why not Caylors + Wrens/C&D ?
Feb 23 2010 11:32AM
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Balto
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i really just dont jib that much anymore. i haven't been in a park in over a month. and i have a much better time skiing tech lines, which would be sketchy on a fat jib ski(caylors)
Feb 23 2010 11:43AM
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wazzucrewskier
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couldn't have said it better myself.  eps have an unbelievably slow speed limit when it gets chopped up.  they honestly get downright scary at speed in chop since the tip and tail will flop and they get super hooky.  one day i skied my eps in the morning and thought it was a super shitty day since i couldn't really ski fast or through the crud that well and it seemed real icy.  then i switched to my chopsticks after lunch and the stuff that seemed sketchy was then super fun and i could blast through it with ease.

basically if you ski like 80% untouched pow there is no better ski, but if you ski crud a lot dont expect it to perform/go fast at all.
Feb 23 2010 11:51AM
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Ftacnik
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Do you think surface one lifes will be better all around ski since its stiffer?
Feb 23 2010 1:52PM
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DBAKE
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Yes much better, you can do alot with those skis hiting jibs in park and also, chargeing some crud are able to be done.
Feb 23 2010 5:55PM
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Ftacnik
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How are they in pow?
Feb 23 2010 6:43PM
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DBAKE
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LOTTSS of rocker and so pretty dam good.
Feb 23 2010 6:46PM
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Ftacnik
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Thankssss +K
Feb 23 2010 6:48PM
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willy_baller
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ok with the jjs or eps i will probally only bring them out on pow days.... are the eps bad enough in the crud that halfway through the day when all the cliffs start getting tracked out a little it almost wont be worth riding? becuase on the jjs i know that they can go all day through most anything
Feb 23 2010 8:00PM
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iFail
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HAA YOUZA ALL BACKSEAT IN BOTH!

And one post up, from the one run I had on EPs(in untouched pow up top, more lines in it lower and soft crud down low), I really hated how the EPs sort of hit you when you would go hard over another track between two untouched pow patches, if that makes sense(it was medium to high water content snow, so maby it made that "hit" worse).  I also remember them not being fun in that loose crud, which on pretty much any ski(from hellbents to even Rossi Blast a few years back) I love since it's about the fastest(fun) condition.

 And One Lifes are the most versatile pow-jib ski of every kind I've been on(I've been on lots), and I think of all the others too.  In epic untuouched pow they aren't the best(they're still great, but the extra waste width and taper of others makes them more surfy which I like(especially since I spend half my days now on 202 Lotus 138s)), but they charge the best of all of the skis in that category IMO, and ski skied out pow the best.  The small camber, bigg straight rocker, stiffness and skinny(er) waste is what does it..

My vote would be for Moment Night Trains for you!(but I haven't been on them yet, just basing on other skis I have been on).

Feb 23 2010 8:31PM
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iFail
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Why haven't I been seeing you this year?  This weekend should have some pow, come on C&D and you can try my 202 Lotus 138s or One Lifes when I'm on your skis!
Feb 23 2010 8:32PM
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B-runge
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i would grab a pair of 189 one lifes over jj's anyday of the week if they ski like ll2's which im sure they do

one of the best 1 ski quivers imo from my experience riding them
Feb 23 2010 9:13PM
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Backyard.Skier
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EP because line is awsome
Feb 23 2010 9:41PM
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iFail
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They do, except with even better edge hold and durability!
Feb 23 2010 10:01PM
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B-runge
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word! because when i ski ll2's on groomers it feels like i have no edges underfoot and thomas's bases sploded
Feb 23 2010 10:03PM
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iFail
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^yepp, that was wierd.  The One Life bases don't have that partially see-through color to them, I think they might be a different material.  They are fast and durable as fuck, they're been over so many rocks and have some thin scratches and that's it.  They're a little heavier(~.5lbs, still under 10lbs) than LL2s, probably from the sidewall and slightly added stiffness, but if anything they charge better now.
Feb 23 2010 10:36PM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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Think you got your facts muddled up.

ARGs are reverse camber.

JJs are normal camber with tip and tail rocker.
Feb 23 2010 10:43PM
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B-runge
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ll2's were "stiff" to me
haha
i should probably get on a real stiff ski someday
Feb 23 2010 10:43PM
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DBAKE
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for the last time god damm there was only an inch of pow the rest, is all hard as fuck and choppy choppy snow, ask tommy he wus there, also they tend to flex back a little when your halling some ass, trying to just screw it and charge through the bumps.
Feb 23 2010 10:44PM
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B-runge
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looks like way more than an inch derrick.....
Feb 23 2010 10:47PM
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DaysToCome
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jjs will do everything really well and they charge pretty hard in the pow, theyre pretty much the best all around ski except for park. im sure the eps are fun but they sound alot more pow and slower speed specific. the jjs rock tho one of the best skis made
Feb 23 2010 10:52PM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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jjs suck.
Feb 23 2010 11:09PM
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DBAKE
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it looks like more than an inch of fresh yea bull shit there wasnt any fresh 1inch max. the pic with me touching my hand to the snow back seat is me after hiting a cliff, and bounceing back up and the pow slash one is not back seat at all its just looking like that from rocker and from the snow being chopped up.
Feb 23 2010 11:13PM
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B-runge
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pshhhh
Feb 23 2010 11:16PM
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iFail
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pshhhhh

-4 mount= lean forward to ski them! didnt you already trade those though?

Feb 23 2010 11:29PM
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DBAKE
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not yet.....

and if you were actualy there seeing the conditions you would understand better than two pictures on the interwebz.

Also they look kick ass!!!

Feb 23 2010 11:42PM
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iFail
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^I'd think that on a day with 1 inch of pow I'd want to be in like a race stance on EPs at 4 back to avoid death. was this that weekend with tom/trevor k?
Feb 23 2010 11:54PM
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DBAKE
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race stance on EPs hitng a hard bump = doube ejection front flip

and yez

Feb 24 2010 12:02AM
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B-runge
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why would you double eject?
id say that equals over the bars
Feb 24 2010 12:07AM
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iFail
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oh wait I meant to say "I wouldn't want to be on EPs in 1 inch of pow".

and why would you hit a mogul straight on in a race stance on any ski?

Feb 24 2010 12:12AM
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DaysToCome
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youve clearly never ridden them
Feb 24 2010 1:27PM
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DaysToCome
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and ive seen a couple pair of broken eps
Feb 24 2010 1:30PM
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agustinco
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so I herd next year ep pros are alitle bit stiffer, how much? anyone?
Feb 24 2010 2:20PM
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ski_DC
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personally, i never really had any trouble with crud on my eps. I skied them in some heavy-ish pow in AK, which was decently tracked by the end of the day. yeah, the tips are jittery as all get out, but they are still pretty stable due to the stiffness underfoot. also, as long as you maintain good pressure on the tongue of your boots and keep your weight over your feet, crud is not a huge issue, and i ski decently aggressively, yeah, they can be kinda janky when turning, but you can just slarve and shut em down when you need to and they are just fine. it takes a bit to get used to them, but i love them to death.
Feb 24 2010 2:25PM
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